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i know that pond but you have included everyone in your posts like i said read em perhaps you didn't say what you meant and this thread is about aa not those who don't have a problem with alcohol get it?

leave the rest of your statement out and you have part of it

not everyone knows that pond as far as the rest of your last post YOU SHOULD REALLY READ WHAT YOU SAID as if someone else said it telling me to be strong? wtf do you think aa is doing?

and that separatre world of the one with the bottle and still drinking doesn't know how to stop has no hope put s the barrel of a gun in his mouth and pulls the trigger ending life literally or figuratively both are horrible deaths that can be avoided with help you defy the help that is there pond you are an enabler of the downward spiral

this is what will change with help you really should retract some of your uninformed statements it is you guessing, not a real understanding i put the focus on you because you put it on me then perhaps as now...maybe you can see what the help is about what is in quotes is part of the problem therefore the help aa offers allows the person to break out of this 'world'.

i do and already have and there is help for you too but you have to seek it out or it will not be beneficial

you have no idea what you are talking about pond till you have been there and experienced it and honest enough to see it your addiction seems to be plain to see you don't understand and don't want to you get your jollyies by putting people down when they are going up you are an antagonist narrowminded uninformed it is not about life revolving around alcohol it's about people helping people of which you apparently have no clue how it works

And it's not surprising to me that someone would try to talk me into me not having a problem with alcohol. It's all over the tv and circles of friends and in the minds of people who cannot broaden their perspective as sirguessalot lovingly put it. aa is not the only way but it's what i need now and you will not talk me out of it nor will your attitude hinder me but make me stronger to face this head on with moderation. aa knows how to help you help yourself. So do other people that are right here at greasespot. Yet they are overlooked and wrote off as crazy or something.

Thanks Belle, Pond it isn't about alcohol, it's about people helping people with the same problem. Just like greaspotcafe wouldn't you think. There is no one proud of there drinking but certainly proud that they have stopped. Some relapse,but still come back because they know where the help is. And I forget who said it about talking face to face, ithink another forum. But when this happens there is contact with this person, nowhere to hide, honesty is a must. This is where a lot of the help comes from. being with people who know and you can't fool them. The old timers for sure. There are those that are there that have quit for a long time. But they still need to help and be helped. People need people. That is the way we are. It is not good for man to be alone. Ever wonder why?

reach your arms up and stretch for a minute or two bring them down and wrap them around yourself feel the love that is there breath deeply for 8 or 10 times think of nothing or good things then let go and relax practice this in private occasionally it helps this isn't from aa but from a friend

well vp isn't the point nor do i mind him talked about but he needed it his lack of honesty shows in history started this thread cuz i needed to and hopefully help someone else who is in denial plenty of stories i've read so far that hit home people who have stopped for decades and then started again loosing what they gained in material and mental capacities it can be ignored and hidden well by many but it's seen by some i pray that some who have heard will listen and take positive action aa is helping me without it i would evenyually loose everything when does one want the elevator to stop going down in self esteem, in peace, in things we need emotionally and physically an honest look in the mirror few can handle it that are entrapped by addictions and yes you can live with the way you are enslaved as much or worse then twi or take a step forward stop a train wreck before it happens stop the continual self destruction that you've learned how to hide from others but some see it, wether you think so or not for those who can have one and not another good for you but watch out cuz that succer is powerful and the power to defeat alcohol is in you no one else but most need help when it's gone past the point of no return honestly look at yourself and see if you like what you see if you don't, there are ways to make it better aa is a powerful help the serenity prayer has meaning the Lord's prayer does to his will on earth for you as it is in heaven both heaven and earth are within

disease - An abnormal condition of the body or mind that causes discomfort or dysfunction alcoholism affects and is in the body and mind the ignorance of this disease has caused many to continue downward i'm here to tell you that there is hope the cure is in the power that is already in you the will to stop to bring this out takes a will to see and learn and to stop being ignorant mainly honesty with yourself and others there is no pill to take science has not solved the problem

my family and peace in my mind is more important then the bottle if i pick it up again i won't put it down it is a disease you did not hear pond it's real and a disease and only one way to stop it is to stop-period certain people for whatever reason are alcoholics the reasons are becoming cleare and the help is even clearer and works

thanks psalm 71, the good that is within is meant to come out aa is one means of making that happen there are more thanks for your prayers staying sober forever love clay

excathedra, check your e-mail and pm

one person asked about prayer and meditation i got to contribute a little i hope i helped the other questions and ANSWERS are helping me you can give someone the answer but they really already have it it just brings it to the surface that person can acknowledge or not do or not do no one can force that person that person must do it themselves

hi ex, this shows me that he didn't do the program didn't do the steps and no aa doesn't turn out non alcoholic clones everyone is different what one does with it doesn't mean another will do the same sure you can go and not change it's not a magic pill and great for you waterbuffalo i'm proud of you

whatever problems you have will still be there after drinking perhaps even worse if there's nothing you can do about your problems today then do something about what you can do there will be more days to solve problems little by little sometimes but you can't think with alcohol in your mind clear thinking clearer solutions

that's part of it bow one day at a time don't let yourself get hungry eat don't eat too much though..lol then there's another problem feeling lonely? call someone go shopping do what it takes to not be lonely except drink feeling sorry for yourself? look at what you do have not at what you don't friggin tv has people drinking all the time it should be against the law

the thought to have one and that you can handle it will come it's only a thought don't let it grow to action kick it out nothing wrong with the thought they will happen it's what you decide stay in control call your sponser i have a few numbers people gave me without asking they know yes alcohol is legal but lethal more then cigs

thank you bowtwi tears are in my eyes it will always be the decision to not take that first drink always cause that's the way it is like i said it's past the point of no return no return to even one drink or nyquil cold medicine or anything with alcohol

btw-there is no charge to go to aa it is funded solely by donations and if you think it's another twi then you haven't been there yet

There comes a time in some people's lives that alcohol is no longer under control. These people cannot have just one drink or beer and be done with it. It has gone past the point of no return. To the point that one drinks until the bottle can't be lifted anymore. These are people from all walks of life. I saw it. Alcohol has now taken over and common sense or any sense of doing right is clouded and at the worst hurtful and dangerous. There is nothing wrong with the person except it is a disease. Once considered incurable by leading Doctors and Psychiatrists. But there is hope and no one can do it for you.You must decide that yes I have a problem. I am an alcoholic. I can't overcome it without help. The help in the past was to lock you away in prison or a sanitarium. Unless you are still hiding it well. There is help today, but you must want it and admit that the power of alcohol has overtaken your power to stop drinking. Your life is unmanageable if you can't mange to stop at one drink. There is more then the twelve suggestions. Lots more in print to help. But you must want it and want to see your life start going back up instead of down. There were people from all walks of life. From the homeless to executives. People who looked in the mirror and got tired of what they saw, and as they saw it getting worse. There is no religious requirements and God is not taught. We pray at the end-The Lords Prayer. We want his will in our lives ON EARTH as it is IN HEAVEN. I cannot and will not post from the book they gave me. Because you have to go there and see and get help. Besides the copyright thing probably. But I can speak my mind. No one has a copyright on that.

Is that what I said Seth, No. You said that. You don't know cause you don't ask or listen. There is no magic formula. I have NEVER SEEN so much HONESTY and CARE in one room in my life. And it ain't the sobbing but straight from the heart. No wonder Wierwille hated it, he feared it. I'll post more as I see fit.

The 12 Suggested Steps of Alcoholics Anonymous We admitted we were powerless over alcohol--that our lives had become unmanageable. Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. Admitted to God, to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it. Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God, as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out. Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to alcoholics, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.