cman

I could not explain being born again; I don't think I could do it justice. It has to be experienced to even come close to believing it.

That does not say everyone at the same time as time as we know it...

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 King James Version 51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. 53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

slept-----Past Tense...awake now..raised from their sleep Now it's in the twinkling of an eye.

here.... 1 Corinthians 15:20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept.

Crazy fonts won't cooperate. So, no mention of a delay or long period of sleep. There is a word slept somewhere in the bible about the people before Christ came. I'll find it eventually....

1 Corinthians 15:21-23 King James Version 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

I have admitted to no such thing, just presenting the ideas. I don't think so, they are very much related if not the very same thing.

To die and then be born again....so there has to be a death to be born again... whatever born again means....to die before you die...first and second deaths... But some man will say, How are the dead raised up? and with what body do they come? Thou fool, that which thou sowest is not quickened, except it die: And that which thou sowest, thou sowest not that body that shall be, but bare grain, it may chance of wheat, or of some other grain: But God giveth it a body as it hath pleased him, and to every seed his own body.

Not really, God said don't, so of course they did. Human nature, that God created.

I think Genesis and Job are about the same story of man. The internal battle of Christ and the man.

And who is God, who is the serpent? What are they? Where are they? The garden of Eden, a state of mind?

I believe this was the whole plan anyway, that we should know good and evil and get eternal life as well. Daniel 9:24 King James Version 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

And who says it was spiritual death? BS vpw for one. It's funny how Pfal has ⛅️ clouded clear thinking. God and Adam were still speaking to each other as well as many other men and women. I'm just not buying into the doctrine of spiritual death.

The serpent was right You shall not surely die

Salvation for one....forgiveness mercy...other such things...

and yet Paul's writings keep saying nothing is by our works, good or bad.... How does this make sense with some of these other scriptures, like what has been quoted? Is it the works being destroyed or the person?

If there is a second death then there was a first.....sooooo death seems to have been survived at least once....what is death? Thanks to God for the victory over death!

But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men. But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

A thousand years as one day and one day a thousand years..... Better hang on to mercy and forgiveness cause when that serpent uncoils, you will get bit. Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

It seems more likely that Revelations is about many things already done. Since the scriptures declare we are seated in the heavenlies and passed from death to life.

Using scripture to beat people up is not for me.

I don't think I'd do well in this category. I'll take the lake of fire for $1000 please, probably a thousand years, that's ok with me. The flaming sword turning every way, keeping the tree of life is probably there. You still are not making a point Mark. I know the scripture.

Is that what really happened? Previous teachings and learning should be looked at with some reason, logic and intellect.