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While many teachers instinctively know that SEL is important, historically schools have been primarily focused on teaching academic content such as reading, math, science, and history, and less intentional about supporting the social and emotional skills that are so important to learning and life success.
There is a growing body of research proving that SEL is fundamental to academic success, and must be woven into the work of every teacher in every classroom and every after school and summer learning program, if we truly want to prepare all our students for college and careers.
This is California.
This is not a new class. This is everything, everywhere, all at once. Because WESAYSO. This is pseudoscience. This is mysticism. This is a cult.
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12 hours ago, Nathan_Jr said:
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I'll repeat: teaching a child he is born racist is as wickedly stupid and as spiritually irresponsible as teaching a child he is born a sinner or born in sin or whatever it is religious charlatans teach.
http://changingminds.org/techniques/conversion/lifton_brainwashing.htm
Guilt and Shame are step 2. (After the assault on identity . . . and notice step 3)
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9 hours ago, Nathan_Jr said:
A vast and cavernous network of rabbit holes. Haven't seen anyone reference Theosophy in many years.
Rudolph Steiner was a a Theosophist... or broke away from them... (must renew my mind). He developed an agricultural practice called biodynamics... I used to have a connection to some of its practitioners. Weird stuff, but their results were undeniable, if debatable as to causation, correlation or coincidence.
Wikipedia says Steiner had mixed relations with the nazi party. The theosophy symbolism should make it apparent there's possible influence from theosophy to the nazis. Until recently I hadn't realized how religious Hitler's speeches sound. (Probably because they weren't in English, and the practice of changing the meaning of words is what cults do) Blavasky's Theosophy divided people into races with certain jobs or missions. One race was the Aryans.
That's not to imply CASEL is of the Nazi's, just they seem to both have common influences related to theosophy.
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23 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:
3. 3!! WITAF?
I'm reading Louisiana's site now. This will take a while. Lots and lots and lots of words saying very, very little -- like a sermon, class or book from victor paul wierwille.
It seems CRT is explicitly baked in.
I'll repeat: teaching a child he is born racist is as wickedly stupid and as spiritually irresponsible as teaching a child he is born a sinner or born in sin or whatever it is religious charlatans teach.
Yes vpw.
SEL is primarily funded by CASEL. Billions of dollars are going in. This is big money. So corporate buzzspeak. CASEL's mold was greatly influenced by the Fetzer Institute. Fetzer was a big spiritualist influenced by Bailey (who wrote about education), another spiritualist under Blavasky who was a Theosophist. Whatever that is. Blavasky may have written about Aryans. That's one rabbit hole.
My son makes friends with all the humans on all the intersection lines I can think of. (Aparently fertility is also a privilege to be checked). But that matter of race has not come up. It's certainly suggested. . . . When something is wrong when nothing is wrong anything could be wrong.
The issue of focusing on these emotional and social matters cannot be standardized. That's a goalpost that can't stay still. And at the expense of the traditional purpose of school.
There's more rabbit holes, of course.
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5 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:
When he starts high school I'm sure we will get a full initiation. High school will be public and racially, ethnically, religiously, politically, economically diverse - precisely what I want him to experience.
Right now he is in a very white, very affluent, very homogenous.... bubble.
Unless accreditation requires demonstrable implementation of SEL, his middle school wouldn't bother.
My kid was 3. I believe the intent, looking at my State's website, is that it is to be for everyone, everywhere, all the time.
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Just now, Nathan_Jr said:
My son goes to a private Baptist K-8. (Neither of us are Baptist.) We haven't experienced any of this... yet.
They were not up front about it. Looking back I felt it was sneaky.
SEL sells itself as science backed such as meta-analysis or studies (rollseyes). I think they are also trying to generate data with bogus problems that solve themselves anyway.
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Alice A Bailey?
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1 minute ago, Rocky said:
I hope you don't expect us to come up with a solution.
I don't think I asked for one. Familiar with Helena Blavatsky the theosophist?
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5 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:
I'll take this as your own stylized way of showing me instead of telling me just how very f*cked all this is.
I did not hear of SEL until I was "confonted" with it in a series of matters I found odd. I am asking people in other states their experience.
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8 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:
An issue was fabricated?
I asked multiple people in a group setting at the school what the issue was. I have official looking paperwork. I have made multiple requests to visit the school so they can show me this thing I need to be educated on.
I believe it's an issue created out of incentive.
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1 minute ago, Nathan_Jr said:
Wow. That's a real issue.
Academics should be the priority. The very nature of school socializes children. Why do I need to even write those sentences?
That's what I thought. His academics and conduct are fine. So an issue was fabricated. Then we were spoken down to and even put in a state of worry until I found the language rabbit holes. Then I got more concerned.
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5 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:
Banning books because of hurt feelings? Where's the social and emotional learning in that?
(Norm Macdonald had a brilliant bit on the solution to the hurt feelings caused by that book.)
Well one issue I'm directly dealing with is the school responsible to socialize children? As in a priority over academics and as an equal or authority to the parents?
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7 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:
Would a school district or state embracing SEL ban or teach Adventures of Huckleberry Finn?
No, just math. Because it hurts emotions.
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4 minutes ago, waysider said:
So, then...Kindergarten curriculum, rinse and repeat X 12? It all seems too vague and ambiguous to assign a blanket Yea or Nay.
I was clear with the school awhile ago there was a transfer of power and a crossing of boundaries. I felt they outside their role. But apparently this could be a move to supplant family and the first amendment.
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5 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:
So, no discussion? What a gyp.
The materials from CASEL seem vague and innocuous, even common-sensical, but it seems critics see SEL as a way for schools to teach CRT and alphabet city.
Not really sure there needs to be a program for this... not really sure what the program is.
Teaching a child he is a born racist is as wickedly stupid and as spiritually irresponsible as teaching him he is a born sinner.
It is belived this gets back to dualism. Body and spirit and becoming a God. Familiar?
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2 minutes ago, waysider said:
Does the controversy rest in the concept or the implementation?
Both. Referring to school as family. Teaching the "whole child". What's the "whole child". Well it's starts with "each child". What's that mean? Well . .
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And to avoid politics, there people who heavily influenced CASEL were Spiritualists. Hence the weird language and psuedoscience.
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20 minutes ago, Nathan_Jr said:
Go ahead. Get into the details.
How are the kids getting brainwashed?
(Asking for a dad whose son will be in public school in thirteen months.)
It's in every state, both public and private schools. Might start by looking at the information provided by your repspective state's website.
If you ask the school staff what on God's green earth they are doing, they will say words, say nothing's wrong get nervous and point to the next person. The next person will say words and phrases and then defer to The State. You will then read page after page after hyperlink after page, in their words, "to educate yourself". If you're the type of person who expects a straight answer and information that doesn't sound like a Way Mag, don't send your kid to school.
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https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/
Believing you'll get really blessed and Learn a lot.
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1 minute ago, Raf said:
Questioning faith is a subforum in which people are permitted to discuss religious matters without the presumption that they believe the Bible to be true.
It literally has nothing to do with The Way unless the person posting wants it to.
We also have a section on jokes, tv shows, recipes... I don't see why you are having trouble following this.
Once again, I would like to encourage you to log off GSC and visit any other site in the world, as that would be the equivalent of deleting your account, which you requested.
If you would like to continue to participate in this forum, feel free. Please stay on topic and try to demonstrate some level of reading comprehension, as explaining basic English to you is getting rather tedious.
A person does not have to be on a website to be affected by it.
That relationship is a little tilted.
YOU influence those around us. And then speak down to me for voicing annoyance.
Eat that cucumber, jerk.
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On 6/7/2023 at 5:51 PM, Raf said:
Keep it up. TWI love the work you're doing on their behalf.
This website has a "Questioning Faith" forum.
The Way is not a Faith. It's not a science either.
I've asked before what this little two-step is about.
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On 6/7/2023 at 6:05 PM, Rocky said:
A reminder of this thread topic.
Skyrider's opening post focuses on the minority. The perspective of the The Followers. Not the majority, those who looked down on TWI from the get go. We'll call it Critical Way Theory.
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18 minutes ago, Raf said:
If I were to hire a spokesman for TWI's attitude toward GSC, it would be Bolshevik.
It would be more amusing for some if you posted that AFTER banning me.
Although I fail to see your logic, you have no "other side of the story". Pages upon pages of no story.
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1 hour ago, Raf said:
Bolshevik,
You have been trying for months to get thrown off this site. Might I suggest a different approach? Stop logging in, maybe?
The reason for banning me is that this website cannot exist without sacrifice. The cost for this nonsense. You've greatly extended the life of The Way International.
There is no other side to the story to reveal, or it would be stated.
Social and Emotional Learning: BITE me
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Collectivism? . . . shouldn't raise any eyebrows . . . nope . . .
I haven't read those books. Did have a history teacher who made everyone read many sides of an issue and then decide what you would have done. . . What were his views? He never gave them away. - That wasn't the point of the exercise.
https://casel.org/casel_sel-3-signature-practices-playbook-v3/
Again with "Belonging" BS. . . . I remember getting training to help adults with "belonging" . . . I said I wasn't their daddy, they can grow up. You can have school spirit, but school is NOT your family. (My state actually says SEL helps build a "sense of family")
Why would we want to trust the school teacher to reinterpret small children's emotions for them?
SEE . . . "gaining acceptance" . . . "fitting in" AKA "sense of belonging".