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Recently, I got a CD from a person that still really likes Wierwille on Ephesians. Specifically, it spoke about "heresy" (not being like minded) and causing division in the church. Prior to that, I had been emailing this person and when I mentioned my book, The Genesis Pursuit, I got a non-response on it on return email, as if I hadn't written this at all, but was told I would be sent a CD. I got the CD and the subject was about heresy and division in the Christian church.
I am wondering, from those who read the book, if they believe it was "heresy" and if I am "causing division", or is this a possible attempt to stop me from promoting the book.
Your thoughts, please. I am also wondering if there was any talk of "banning" the book or any leader speaking against it.
This is the first I've heard of the book, but it sounds interesting. I googled it and found your web site. Doesn't sound too "heretical" to me, but I haven't read it.
I was curious also about Patrick Her*n's books you mention at the bottom of the page. Is he related to Mick Her*n? We knew Mick from the 9th Corps.
Wanted to say, congratulations on getting your book published!
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Tuesday, May 22, 2007
Public High School Assembly Speaker Promotes Sex & Illegal Drug Use to Teens!
Yet another outrageous but true incident of government schools infringing on parental rights and promoting irresponsible behavior to young impressionable minds:
Boulder High School in Boulder, CO recently held a mandatory student assembly sponsored by the University of Colorado's "Conference for World Affairs". The CWA sounds like it ought to be a forum for discussing international events and public policy similar to Harvard's JFK Jr. Forum. Instead, this panel was called "STDs: Sex, Teens and Drugs". Students as young as 14 were required to attend and listen to Professor Joel Becker of UCLA make the outrageous comment: "I am going to encourage you to have sex and encourage you to use drugs appropriately....I want to encourage you to all have healthy, sexual behavior. Men with men, women and women, whatever combination you would like."
When Boulder High School sophomore Daphne White and her mom Priscilla complained to the school board, the board president Helayne Jones told Mrs. Jones to stop reading excerpts from the assembly because Ms. Jones deemed the language "inappropriate." This is the same language that Boulder High School administrators allowed students to hear during the assembly!
I saw that, makes me really mad! My son is a 9th grader in public school in California and I just pray that he is protected from this kind of garbage.
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...and casually nice, and SNS dress...
How about, if you know what "self-structured vertical" time means?
Oh yeah, it means you let someone tell you that you can't take a nap even during "free" time.
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(I still can't believe no one got the D&D reference I made earlier...)
(are there no geeks in this forum??)
Well thanks for clearing that up. I was wondering about it, but I didn't want to to say that I didn't think that your description came from the quiz site.
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Yes TV has changed quite a bit since I was a child. We had three channels only. We still didn't have a color TV in my parent's house when I left to go WOW in 1974. I think that was mainly because my dad was color blind and didn't care if it was color or not.
I don't watch that much TV but my favorite show has been The Gilmore Girls. I also watch LOST and sometimes Dancing with the Stars.
I was sad because Tuesday was the last episode of The Gilmore Girls.
I wrote about it on my blog at:
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Here's another quiz from the same site on What's your theological worldview?Didn't know I was a Methodist. I would call myself more of a Charismatic than a Wesleyan, but I probably answered the Speaking in Tongues question "wrong?"How about you?Here are my results:
You scored as Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan. You are an evangelical in the Wesleyan tradition. You believe that God's grace enables you to choose to believe in him, even though you yourself are totally depraved. The gift of the Holy Spirit gives you assurance of your salvation, and he also enables you to live the life of obedience to which God has called us. You are influenced heavly by John Wesley and the Methodists. Evangelical Holiness/Wesleyan
100% Charismatic/Pentecostal
75% Emergent/Postmodern
71% Fundamentalist
61% Reformed Evangelical
57% Neo orthodox
54% Classical Liberal
29% Modern Liberal
14% Roman Catholic
14% What's your theological worldview?
created with QuizFarm.com
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This topic reminded me about the so-called "Sinner's Bible". A printer inadvertantly left a "not" out of the seventh commandment so that it read:
Thou shalt commit adultery.
I think this was the version of the Bible that VP used. Or maybe it was a "literal according to usage."
Some other interesting errors listed under
Bible errata
in Wikipedia:
"Unrighteous Bible" or "Wicked Bible" 1653: Cambridge Press: The edition carrying this title omits a "not" before the word "inherit", making I Corinthians 6:9 read "Know ye not that the unrighteous shall inherit the kingdom of God?..." In addition, Romans 6:13 reads "Neither yield ye your members as instruments of righteousness into sin..." where it should read "unrighteousness".
"Sin On Bible": 1716: John 5:14 reads "Go and sin on more" rather than "Go and sin no more".
"Printers Bible" bef. 1702: Psalm 119:161 reads "Printers have persecuted me without cause." The first word was changed, possibly by a typesetter, from "Princes".
"The Fools Bible": 1763: Psalm 14:1 reads "the fool hath said in his heart there is a God", rather than "...there is no God".
"Standing Fishes Bible" 1806: "Fishes" replaced "fishers" making Ezekiel 47:10 read "And it shall come to pass, that the fishes shall stand upon it from Engedi even unto Eneglaim;
"The Large Family Bible" 1820: Isaiah 66:9 reads: "Shall I bring to birth and not cease to bring forth?" rather than "Shall I bring to birth and not cause to bring forth?".
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I guess nobody liked my stow-ree. And I worked so hard on it.
I liked your story Jonny! This is a great thread. Really brings out the creative/imaginative side of people here.
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And so, is there any truth to this? Does anybody know the details?
Perhaps this would shed some light on what happened to Coco. Too bad it's out of print:
The Case of the Missing Poodle
or this:
Poodle: The Other White Meat
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or even this:
Man arrested for killing, cooking and eating his neighbor’s poodle
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You think this is a valid mathematical statement:
0.9x > x
I know this isn't what you were thinking about, but it is a true statement if x is a negative number.
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Hey guys I decided it's time for me to move on. I have been a poster here off and on for 5 years and it's been ok but when drama comes my way I generally find the first exit. There's a lot of drama in my own life so I don't need to add outside drama.
I wanted to say good by and let you all know I blog regularly on Yahoo 360 and MySpace. Yahoo I am goinsolo4631 and on Myspace I am "Don't confuse my pride for strength" come out and hang with my buds and me on one of those sites if you want to continue to stay in touch.
I will keep my account out here for a few days before deleting my account so that if anyone wants to stay in touch can.
You all take care.
Holly
Aw, I'm really sorry to see you sign off. I always appreciate hearing your perspective. You seem to have a very wise and practical view on things. In the short time I've been here you have really stood out as a "pillar" of the cafe and your presence will be missed.
I've been praying for your health. Look forward to reading your blog. God bless you and your family!
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Dooj, are you saying that the poodle was fed to TJ?
Maybe Romeo the wolf or his ancestor ate Coco. Or am I mixing threads here?
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For the record....
Mrs. Wierwille did indeed have a little miniature poodle named Cocoa - but it was white, so maybe it was Coco, like Coco Chanel. And my husband, a truly truthful man, told me that once while at summer camp as a youth, he heard Dr. Wierwille tell someone, "That ****dog is a worthless piece of c***." Whether it follows that he initiated the poor creature's demise, I do not know, but I actually saw the little critter once or twice with my own eyes while at HQ. It was indeed a little white fluffball. Some dogs exist to bestow love upon their humans, not hurt, herd, or guard. I think Coco was one of those dogs.
I sure hope he/she/it died of old age.
WG
My take is that VP probaby hated the dog because it was faithful to Mrs. W. while he was not. It was loving and kind while he was not and he was jealous of it because it had something that he did not...
faithfulness
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Craig said he would go raise the man from the dead only to tell him to die again.
Yeah right!
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Happy Birthday Johnny Lingo! 50 is a great number!
(I'll be there in about 8 months too)
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W&W
ROTFL!!!
Yeah, it was pretty funny.
Another funny lunch time at Emporia happened probably the 1st week of 9th corps in res. One of the mucky mucks (I can't remember if it was LCM or George H.) was rambling on after lunch and Martha S. proceeded to make herself comfortable by pulling out a cigarette and lighting it. George got this pained look on his face and asked in a very strained voice what she thought she was doing. "Just having a smoke.", the volume got a little louder as he asked, "Well, do you see any ashtrays on the table?". "No", she replied, "that's okay, I'll just use my plate." After that , the volume exploded, another reaming, but worth the price of admission.
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Any one know the whereabouts of these folks? Recruited by TWI at LSU in the 1970s
Steve Ladieu, Stephanie Stanton , Mary Jane Swaboda, Melanie Buisson
I don't know where any of these folks are today but I knew them all (except not sure I remember Mary Jane) very well back in New Orleans in 1974-75.
I had also heard that Steve and Theresa were in Washington. I was also in So. Cal. in the 80s w. Steve and Theresa.
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I remember working "head table" at HQ last year in res. must've been 80 or 81. Don't remember a whole lot except that one of the perks was that you got to eat after lunch and pretty much had access to anything in the kitchen fridge.
I remember at Emporia I used to like when whoever would go on and on after lunch because it beat working on grounds or busting rocks with sledge hammers. The longer they talked the less time for afternoon jobs...
The funniest thing I remember happening at lunch was when one of our "9th Corps brethren" (Rus. C. I believe) stood up and said he had something to "lift". He was given permission (I think it was George H. who was running the show) to come up and "lift" what was on his heart. Instead of coming up to the mic he went right over to one of the 9th corps girl's chair and lifted it high up in the air. It was hilarious. Of course George didn't think so and he got reamed. But it was well worth it.
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I remember Good Seed, Joyful Noise, Pressed Down, Takit. I almost always teared up when Claudette R. sang Amazing Grace.
What I don't remember was any worship songs. None of the songs that I remember were addressed directly to God, or duh, to Jesus. It could be that I just don't remember them. Does anyone remember any songs addressed directly to God?
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Reading the obit for Dr Rawlins I almost wanted to gag.
She was a good woman and a good doctor, but there was something so syrupy about the way her obit was worded that seemed too gooey and more like a propoganda for twi's ugly as sin "household of der veg."
I sure hope to be remembered with some real heart -- hate me or like me, I am so thankful no one will write (I hope), "Kit Sober remained a faithful member of the twi household." Hallelujah!
I guess even beng a "faithful member of twi household" didn't guarantee a "decent" obit back in the LCM days. I was saddened to hear about an old friend's death . I was sorry to hear that he was still "in" when he died. The way he was treated both in life and in death was truly appalling. Steve was a good man and he deserved better. Here's what was spoken about his death by LCM:
Steve TullyIn the case of Steve, the staff were told by Martindale that Steve died as a result of head injuries sustained from falling from a ladder while on the job at Home Depot.
In discussing this incident and that of 14th Way Corps graduate, Fred Brown (who died in a car crash that same month) Martindale re-told some of the events of the past few years of Steve's life.
Martindale extracted and held high for all to see, any negatives that he could find on Steve in order to demonstrate that Tully's life was messed up and that he was a walking disaster, waiting for a tragedy to take place. Martindale didn't bother to tell all the positives about Tully and the major contributions that he had made in TWI for decades.
Martindale told of Steve's re-enrolment in the Way Corps training in 1994 (due to having been dropped from active Corps as a result of his spouse not having done the training herself). Martindale told how Steve's wife "bailed out" on the Corps training and "escaped" from HQ and the Corps training.
Martindale blamed this episode on Tully and on his unwillingness to stand up to his wife and get her to obey the Word. As a result of this episode, the Tully's were dropped from the 23rd Way Corps. Steve, heeding some advice received, subsequently divorced his wife and re-applied to go back in residence. He was told to work on staff at HQ for a year beforehand. He worked construction and sang in the Chorus Choir during this "apprentice" year.
Martindale went on to talk about Tully's eventual re-entry into the 27th Corps and then his subsequent dismissal from that Corps with a string of disasters and a "wake" left in his path (I think that LCM might have been referring to some woman that Tully may have been involved with). Martindale was basically saying that Tully was undisciplined and unfaithful to the Word.
Martindale then went on to say that Tully (upon being dropped from the 27th Corps) went to work in the dark and devilish place - Home Depot of Syracuse, NY. Tully wasn't working with another believer in the TWI prescribed 2 x 2 mode that LCM had been aggressively propounding, but instead choose to work in a devilish environment without the safety and protection of another like-minded believer nearby. What did he expect, Martindale asked? With the history of lack of discipline in Steve's life (according to Martindale) his death was inevitable. Steve, by his failure to discipline his life according to the Word that TWI had been teaching, had been courting devil spirits and had been playing with fire.
Martindale laid the blame for Steve's death squarely at Steve's own feet. Martindale, acted as if he were greatly dismayed, but in reality all he was doing was shifting the blame away from TWI (and the contradiction between the Prevailing Word in the Promised Land teachings and the real life happenings in the Way household) onto a man who could no longer speak for himself.
How could such tragedies happen in the Promised Land of the Prevailing Word? They can't (according to LCM), unless the person involved opens the doors to devil spirits through their own personal lack of discipline.
To read the entire article, click below:
Death in the Promised Land
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Thanks for posting that great story. I told it to my kids, as we have four (that's right four) Jack Russells. I feel safer now. Jack Russells are great little dogs. Full of spunk and energy but sweet and brave too. George is a hero, I hope he goes to doggie heaven!Here are three of our little heroes. I'll have to remind myself of George when they dig up the yard.
Not sure why there are 3 pics but I have to run so I'll try to edit it later...
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Yeah, but at least he has made it available (by books and other things) to find out that information that was "unprotected".
I haven't read the book yet but here is an excerpt from a review. Read the entire review by clicking below:
From: The Bible, the Qur'an, Bart Ehrman, and the Words of God by Mark Roberts:
If my numbers are anywhere near accurate, or if the footnotes in Bible translations are to be believed, this means there are two ways of conveying the same basic fact:
"There are more differences among our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament."
– Bart Ehrman
"We can have a high level of confidence that the vast majority of the words in the Greek New Testament appeared in the original manuscripts."
– Mark Roberts
Both of these statements are true. And both are based on the same evidence. And both reflect the bias of the writer. But the simple fact is that most of the time most of the New Testament manuscripts are in agreement with each other. And when there is a disagreement, most of the time text critics are able to discern, with a high degree of probability, which reading is original. This leaves a very small percentage, maybe 1% of the New Testament, where we have genuine textual ambiguity. All of these passages, by the way, could be removed from the Bible without any major impact on Christian theology. I know this for a fact because I've been a teacher and preacher of orthodox (well, I hope) Christian theology for more than 20 years, and I've always made a special effort not to base anything I'm preaching or teaching on a text for which there isn't sufficient manuscript support.
Ehrman is clever in his use of language to favor his argument, yet I fear his cleverness may mislead many readers. In his conclusion, for example, Ehrman states, "even if God had inspired the original words, we don't have the original words" (p. 211). Yes, we don't have the manuscript of 1 Thessalonians, for example, and in this sense we can't look at the original words Paul wrote on the page. But virtually every responsible New Testament scholar believes that the critically-reconstructed Greek text of 1 Thessalonians is very close to what Paul once wrote. This can't be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt, of course. But there's no reason to believe that what we read today, if we can read Greek, is substantially different from what Paul wrote. Where we're not sure about which words Paul wrote, we actually have the words, we just aren't positive which ones were original. Moreover, at any rate, the disputed words contribute very little to our understanding of 1 Thessalonians.
I don't think Ehrman is being intentionally deceptive when he writes things like "There are more differences among our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament" and "we don't have the original words." Rather, I think he is himself confused. He became confused, according to his own witness, as a young college student, and especially while in seminary. And that confusion has stayed with him for thirty years. Though Ehrman's an expert in the craft of text criticism, and thought he's an exemplary communicator, the philosophical and theological implications he draws from text criticism are poorly reasoned and quite unconvincing.
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Wow! that is great news! I am thrilled for her and her husband. Does she still have that beautiful long hair? Please give her our congratulations!