Larry N Moore

It's a tuff nut to crack, for sure. I just sincerely hope that whoever was harmed (in whatever fashion) receives the healing they need to end their struggle.

Say ten hail Marys and . . . .

:) Well, if that happens he'll just come back as something else. Reminds of the song they did -- Back in the U.S.S.R.

Abi, I understand your struggle. I have a nephew -- a believer -- who while working around a high-power line was severely electrocuted. He lost both of his arms. His skull was annihilated -- has a plate covering the top of his head where his skull use to be. Is paralyzed, etc., etc., etc. Why did God allow that to happen to a young man (in his early twenties) who was (and still is) passionate about worshipping God? I don't know. I could say God allowed it to happen because he's become such a great inspiration to his family in his firm belief that God will heal him. The doctors gave him less than a 10% chance to live. Sometimes I think he would have been better off if he was dead. But, he wants to continue living for the glory of God and I just have to get those thoughts out of my mind. I'm sorry Abi. I just don't know why God allows bad things to happen to good people. I've heard some good arguments for it but, I still question it.

Not true. George believed in reincarnation. He's probably already back here. :)

That's odd. Not only was a twig coordinator but a branch as well and if I recall correctly we had to document who abundantly shared for IRS purposes. Of course it later evolved into a hunting affair to determine who was abundant sharing and who wasn't.

Are you kidding?!?! Having lived in the same household of not one but four females I know better than that. :)

Thanks for your answer paw.

By that (the title of this thread) I mean -- Can an Administrator access my private messages? I've been on Boards where this had become an issue and it was admitted by the Administrators that they can indeed view the private messages of the members.

Now, now folks. Let's not turn this thread that is supposed to be an opportunity to bless someone into something else. Dan just started a thread on this question in the "Open" forum on the subject.

We could always "twist the noodles" of the power that be by starting a new one. Just joking Paw. ;)

Yep. Definitely "deep sixed". I just checked my posts and all my posts in that thread have gone bye-bye.

Haven't got a clue. I just got back from watching the new Bourne movie. Perhaps the "powers that be" deep sixed it. It would be nice if they (he) would at least offer some explanation as to why but, I won't hold my breath waiting.

Yes but, my question was: "Can you share both with someone uninformed?" You've made it abundantly clear why you wouldn't. If I was an "uninformed" observer you wouldn't have help me make an informed decision in the slightest. It was completely one-sided. A one-sided synopsis does not an informed decision make.

Ya know T-bone, you would have saved yourself some time by just saying - "No, because I didn't see ANYTHING good in it." Then I would have to ask: Why should I take your word for it?

I wouldn't know. I never sat through the "new and improved version" of PFAL. I didn't think the class should never be re-done. And I seem to recall VP mentioning that it should be. Without actually sitting through the new class I'm unable to say -- it failed at its objective.

I remember, right after I informed the leadership of my departure, I went to another dear and close friend who was also a leader to let her know of my intentions. During our talk I brought up LCM's announcement that he was going to re-do the PFAL class. I told her of something I saw in his demeanor that raised a red flag in my mind -- initially he was very hesitant to make his announcement but, right after the audience stood up and gave him a standing ovation his whole mood changed to cockiness. Iow -- he didn't know how his announcement would be received but once the crowd cheered him, his whole demeanor changed to "I'm going to do this whether you like it or not!" Pride goeth before a fall. Anyways, when I pointed this out to my dear friend she asked me: "Larry, why don't I see what you're seeing?" At the time all I can think to say was: "Maybe it's not time for you to see it."

I tend to think a "more informed decision" would include telling them not only the bad stuff but the good as well. Can you share both with someone uninformed?

You really think so? He sorta reminded me of that guy in the "Rocky Picture Show". Although not as overdone imo. Different strokes for different folks, I guess. I hope Shira doesn't get peeved for what we're doing to her thread. :)

I see two things here. First -- despite the teaching that you should "mark and avoid" those who have left TWI you followed your own heart. Second -- You're leaving open the possibility that your friend -- despite her return to TWI -- will follow her own heart and keep in contact with you. In the first incident -- you obviously weren't brainwashed. In the second case -- if your friend stays in contact with you -- then she obviously isn't brainwashed either. Can you explain where the notion that we were all brainwashed comes from then?

Well, then if God led even some people to TWI wouldn't that make it an avenue God uses to lead them to Himself? And if so then who am I to tell people that they shouldn't go there? Years ago, when I was contemplating leaving TWI I had asked God why He would lead me to a ministry that had become so screwed up. Listening to that "still small voice" the response was: "I got your attention, didn't I?"

I thought it was so funny that I was laughing out loud. I wouldn't mind seeing more of his routine. (Btw -- I thought he was a sharp dresser, also. :))

My, my Grandma. What big teeth you have. ;)

Yikes! Look out everybody -- a she-shark is in our midst! :) Ya know what -- upon further examination I can see where you're a cuddly dolphin instead of a shark. I don't know why I thought otherwise. I must have been looking at you from the wrong angle. Yea, that must have been it! (You believe me, don't ya?)

Nonetheless, I wouldn't want to take it for granted. I don't know about Deciderator but I was introduced to TWI in 1972 and took PFAL in 1973. Yes, "things" were a lot different during my early years with TWI. After awhile -- it became too "churchy" for me. I still have (as I'm sure you do) fond memories of my brothers and sisters in Christ. I've seen that since my early years of involvement. I remember people saying something along the line of: "You can't separate the ministry from the Word." Even though I didn't say so in response I never agreed with that sentiment because it was contrary to what the Word said. Work, work, and nothing but work makes a . . . . hmm -- How did the rest of that saying go? :) Enjoy this day, my dear!