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Since year2027 has started a "seed of the serpent" thread in the Doctrinal forum, I suggest that further discussion on this topic be directed there.
George
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If you have a "dollar cinema," go there! So what if you see the movie two weeks later than everybody else? And feed the kids BEFORE you go! You can probably feed a family of four a decent meal for the price of one large popcorn and a coupleof drinks at the theater.
George
P.S. Buying in bulk isn't always cheaper. Sometimes the tougher packaging required for a large size may cost more. I've often found that two half-gallons of orange juice cost less that a gallon. If your store lists cost per unit (ounce, pound, whatever) next to the price, that will tell you which is a better deal.
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Alden does appear to be a fine young man. And he's preaching a worthwhile message. I use Ad-Aware regularly.
Let's hear it for Bow + Son!
George
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Originally posted by TheInvisibleDan:quote:
Originally posted by GeorgeStGeorge:And, incidentally, Satan IS the god of this world (2 Cor 4:4).
George
This was just as much of a surprise to me when stumbling upon this, as it might be to you, but -
No he ISN'T. Satan is NOT the "God of this World" - at least here in 2 Cor.4.
This passage does NOT refer to Satan or "the Devil".
At least the second-century early Christians I've read -namely, Tertullian of Carthage in his work against Marcion (Book V) - did not interpret "the God of this world" (or "Aeon") as "Satan". Tertullian, rather than rebuking Marcion for identifying the "God of this world" as "the Old Testament God (in contrast to the New Testament God) - merely shifted a comma _and actually agreed _ with Marcion, that the "God of this World" was - at least to Tertullian's view - the one and same God of both the Old and New Testaments.
So we've one proto-orthodox dude and one heretic
here who are agreed on one thing - Satan is not the "God of this world" in 2 Cor.4:4.
Danny
I must admit that I'm not up to speed on Marcion or Tertullian. Correct me if I'm wrong, But I seem to recall Marcion equating Jehovah (i.e., the Old Testament God) with Satan, in that he couldn't reconcile teh apparent hardness of the OT God with the love and light of the NT. As described by Bullinger, et al., OT declarations of God hardening Pharaoh's heart, sending plagues, etc., was an eastern expression of permission; i.e., God allowed such things to happen. (While I agree with Garth that the term "free will" doesn't arise in scripture, I find it inconceivable that God would take over Pharaoh and make him evil just so He could punish him with plagues!)
Something else that must be considered is that at least three different Greek words are translated "world": ge, meaning the actual substance of the planet; kosmos, the inhabited world; and aeon, or age. The ge is the Lord's, and the fullness thereof. God so loved the kosmos that He gave His son. The god of this aeon has blinded the minds of those who are lost.
I don't have the time now to elaborate (my lunch hour is almost up); but I expect that a working of these words, and especially aeon, will show that the god of this world cannot be Jehovah and must be Satan.
George
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Praying here, as well.
George
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Happy Birthday! Any news on that OTHER stuff we're praying for?
;)-->George
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By the way, Rascal,
I hope you don't think I'm trying to guilt you into anything. My point is simply that those verses in Luke do not require repentance before forgiveness is given.
George
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All right, boys and girls, how about this? God tells the Devil that his seed will be at enmity with the seed of the woman. IN EVERY INSTANCE in the Old Testament, zera, translated "seed," refers literally to seed or figuratively to progeny. So even if "children" or "sons" can refer to followers, what is teh Devil's "seed," if not his children?
George
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TheEvan,
These scriptures have been mentioned a number of times. You might want to check out p. 11 of this thread, among others.
George
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Originally posted by TheEvan:Biblefan & others. Nothing you offer as "proof" comes close to confirming that people are "born of the wrong seed". Your looking through glasses that got dipped in some seriously tainted tint. Satan has no such power or ability.
"in him is the life, and his life was the light of men". Satan cannot impart life. Period. He is not a god, he is a created being.
Perhaps you or Eagle could explain why you believe that to have seed someone (or something) must be God. I've got plenty of seed and no illusions of Godhood.
And, incidentally, Satan IS the god of this world (2 Cor 4:4).
George
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Great post again, Socks. If you ever get bored with GSC, you could mediate peace talks in the Middle East!
:)-->George
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Oen,
Cursing God and dying is NOT the answer. Hang in there. You have many friends here (and elsewhere, I imagine) praying for you.
George
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Originally posted by Eagle:
Hardly a jump in logic. It _IS_ logic.
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No. It's not.
What is your premise, adn what conclusion do you draw from it? As best as I can tell, your argument is:
God is omniscient and omnipresent.
God has children.
Therefore, if the Devil has children, he must be omniscient and omnipresent.
Non sequitur.
If you feel the idea of the Devil having seed is unscriptural, fine. But don't try to make up reasons. Equality with God is not a prerequisite for fatherhood.
George
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Am I the only one who finds it ironic tht a thread about forgiveness is so full of acrimony?
-->Rascal, the scripture in Luke that you keep refering to DOES SAY that if someone repents, you are to forgive him. There are also plenty of scriptures, some presented by me, Oldiesman, and others, that say it's fine to forgive someone who doesn't repent. So forgive whom you please; it's up to YOU.
ALL OF YOU -- PIPE DOWN and PLAY NICE!
George
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Originally posted by oldiesman:My statement is based upon experience, and common sense. While in TWI, I always got answers to questions. Everytime I wrote a letter to VPW or LCM, I always got a polite answer.
I remember years ago writing to VPW because I thought that "Uncle Harry Day" was strongly reminiscent of a RC feast day. I received a polite response from him, not so much answering my point as deflecting it. Starting the next year, however, it was now "Burn the Chaff Day." So maybe back then there was some willingness to listen.
Years later, though, it wouldn't happen. I got booted from TWI for questioning LCM's statement that "the only reason for a space program is military dominance." Sheesh!
George
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Originally posted by ChasUFarley:
When we cook fish every dish must be cleaned immediately afterwards and I work hard to make sure there is no odor.
I try to keep clutter down by removing at least 5 things off the kitchen counter top every morning and every afternoon and putting it away.
These actually sound like GOOD habits (and there's nothing wrong with good manners, either!)
:)-->George
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Originally posted by Eagle:No one can substantiate from scripture that the devil is omnicient or omnipresent enough to be at all places at once where people accept the devil as lord and get "seed" from him, who was a limited being, an angel, a fallen angel at that. The devil cannot keep handing out spirit from himself less he completely disappear.
And no one has to substantiate it, either. As I mentioned several days ago, people don't "go seed-boy" out of the blue. Assuming a reasonable amount of communication within his kingdom, the Devil does not need to be omniscient OR omnipresent to know when someone has been seduced into committing the unforgiveable sin, just aware.
Secondly, even if we accept Eagle's premise that the Devil must give up some of himself in order to father someone, there is no way to know how much power he has or how much (or how little) must be expended to father someone. The number of his children is far less than the number of the children of God (praise God!). Incidentally, I'm not omnipotent, either, but I could have a WHOLE LOT of children if each one of my seeds resulted in a birth!
George
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Dovey, you're on my list. Get better soon.
George
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Praying.
George
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I was tested in this manner years ago. Actually, questionnaires were given to several of my co-workers, and THEIR responses were used to determine my social style. I turned out to be an analytical-analytical, meaning I consider Spock to be impulsive!
:)-->I do tend to stick with things that work, rather than trying something new. I AM, however, a lot of fun at parties!
George
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Valerie,
Check your PTs.
George
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That's up to you, I suppose. LCM DID have some lucid moments, though.
George
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Originally posted by dmiller:What The Hay --- Good post. Not trying to throw a monkey wrench into it, or even play devil's advocate, but here is something I have always wondered about, concerning "born of the wrong seed".
Vp taught that the devil can come up with nothing new on his own, he only copies. Now - if that is true, how could someone be "born again of wrong seed", thousands of years before it was possible to be "born again of right seed"?
I tend to believe that the advo only copies (an example would be in Exodus 7, at Pharoah's court, when the sorcerer's copied Moses' miracles, but didn't do anything he didn't do). I know Cain was "of the devil", and Jesus told some people that they were of "their father the devil", so that just compounds the uncertainty given what vp taught about the devil's originality -- which I think has some merit to it (not because vp said it, but because there are examples in the Word of such).
So -- what do you think?? Was the "seed" that caused these folks to be on _the wrong side of the fence_ something different than what is available to us today, as far as being born again of Holy Spirit? Or was it the same thing, or was it allegorical? I don't know.
There are some people who are so totally evil, one _has to think_ that since their malevolence transcends human nature, some sort of spiritual connection is there. Leastways I do.
This is a question I have had for almost 30 years now. It has yet to be answered.
Dave,
I tried to answer this early on: "To dmiller, LCM explained this. The devil was well aware of the promise of the seed of the woman crushing his seed. He was not able to copy the Christian new birth, of course, but was able to mimic natural seed. This spiritual "seed" left his "children" open to posession at any time. Having committed the unforgivable sin, his children would never turn to the true God."
Does this answer your question?
George
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Originally posted by Eagle:What the Hay:
Good point on "children of the devil". But that phrase is most certainly a figure of speech which means that you do not take part of the phrase and break it down into a literal meaning. The Hebrews used "children of" in a lot of things. "Children of light", "children of darkness", "children of the devil". These mean that if you are "children" of it, you follow it like children. If you follow the devil, you are a follower of the devil. If you are a child of darkness, you live in darkness, and if you are a child of light, you follow and live in light.
However, I am going to study that one further just to be sure. I appreciate that coming up.
It seems to me, that if we are to take "children of God" in this verse literally, we must also take "children of the devil" literally.
George
Are you ready for this?
in About The Way
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Indeed, that was my point. Incidentally, the CONTRAPOSITIVE of the original statement would be "If you don't forgive him, he hasn't repented." This IS logically equivalent to the original statement. (If repentance demands forgiveness, then lack of forgiveness requires lack of repentance.) But, neither the inverse nor the converse follow from this. So,
If he repents, FORGIVE.
If he doesn't repent, forgive if you want to!
George