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hey lay off none other than the great Jack Kerouac actually had his typing paper put in one big roll as he was composing ON THE ROAD so he wouldn't lose his train of thought or stream of conciousness having to think of the minutae of new paper and paragraphs and commas and all that needless stuff so he could get down to the reality of Sal and Dean diggin' life as searchers David Ulin says in Book Forum that "even the most frantic of Kerouac’s writings were really the sagas of a solitary seeker: poor, sad Jack, adrift in a world without mercy when he’d rather be 'safe in Heaven dead.Kerouac was this deep, lonely, melancholy man and if you read the book closely, you see that sense of loss and sorrow swelling on every page. John Leland, author of Why Kerouac Matters: The Lessons of On the Road (They're Not What You Think), says "We're no longer shocked by the sex and drugs. The slang is passé and at times corny. Some of the racial sentimentality is appalling" but adds "the tale of passionate friendship and the search for revelation are timeless so don't be bounded by form man cause its the substance that we're digging for

thanks man,their are some great artist who are paraplegics that draw with their mouths,i've seen tony melendez who has no arms play guitar with his feet!

This week our town is having an Ice Fest. Its a big thing over here. Ice is set out on main st and then the ice artist comes in with a chainsaw and chisel and goes to work creating beautiful stuff!

The problem is keeping it from MELTING if the weather gets warmer. This is HOW i would explain cult life to someone who never experienced it from the inside.

Children are a gift of from God(assuming the goal was to become a child of God in twi through pfal) and a child becomes an image of what the product is he is trusting.

A syndrome is a set of symptoms charaterizing a disease or condition, This is not a condition of biochemical or heredity,this is an image formed if you will sculptured by the product of the enviroment in which the children are surrounded.

Sculpture is said to be a fine art of CUTTING so...to CHANGE a form of a preexising condition.

Carving is a rductive process in which the desired form is reached by removing surplus from a block or similiar mass of material.

Modeling an additive process in which the form is built up in a PLASTIC material.

Constructing or assembly line cookie cutter,joining ready made shapes(twi how many TIMES did you take the class!!!)

Almost any material shaped three diminsional may be used for sculpture,,but ICE is the solid form of water produced by FREEZING IT IS MUCH EASIER TO CUT ON A FROZEN ITEM(the cuts are more accurate and sharp)

Ever heard of the expression i felt as ICE was flowing through my blood.a FROZEN numbness inside................so the more ice produced by freezing the more sculpture to invent..... TIME being the ONLY uncontrolable element in the mind of (child) the child goes within to image building,creativity like a toddler

carefully building blocks,by reflex,by safety precation to BLOCK FEAR.

Although a false oasis for hope,a safety net of some kind,shelter from a storm(in our case we were looking for answers in biblical research/God..peace)

Ice sculpture syndrome is born.

Jonny, I like the idea that Victor Paul Wierwille wants to move the Word. I think his grandfather would be very proud.

that made me AND my cat throw up a little.

Maybe..........

......by your prefacing this link with "VPW lives" might have added to your interesting findings?

yeah,i saw him with elvis at the 7 eleven eating hot dogs!

i STILL like those old vw buses from the 60's.like the one in the movie "cars" but steve (if that is steve in that little picture)look like more of a nascar guy to me,maybe a chevy guy(thats a compliment where i come from!)

Join the club. That queasy feeling in your stomach is real. Embrace the horror. Look deep into the face of who you know you really are, at your worst. It's "the human condition".

Some people will consider their worst acceptable and run with it. That's bad. Others will try to better themselves. That's good. But the struggle you feel is natural and normal and everyone deals with it. Well, some less than others. But your failings and shortcomings, while overwhelming, can be dealt with. They have to be, otherwise it's lights out.

I ponder sometimes how much this world really sucks on a good day. Even when it's good for me, it's ratty for a lot of other people. Too much of that line of thought will really bring me down.

I'm going to digress slightly from the comments thus far, which are very good and worth serious consideration. But - if you feel like something's wrong, maybe something is. You're going to have to deal with it on a level above scripture verses and greek, on a level of your own thoughts and heart.

You're very concerned about yourself and your own conduct and state, beyond the doctrinal what-does-the-bible say about it. I get the feeling that your fear is based on both not knowing how God views you but also on how you view yourself.

I don't know what you've done, but it's probably not anything beyond what's been done by man, woman or child before. I'm not excusing it, just saying that people do things they're not happy or proud of, things they conider wrong and they condemn themselves for it. That's common sense - if I know it hurts to hit myself in the head with a hammer, and it's going to hurt Bobby Moe over there to hit him with it, and I do it, I feel bad. I should.

If I didn't there'd be REAL cause for concern. So having a conscience is a good thing. Difficult at times but good.

If you're looking to square up with God, do it. If you've done wrong and want to deal with it, do it. The bible says "confess your sins". Why? If God is God, He knows, I'm not revealing deep secrets to Him.

Opening up to God in honest prayer will set you free from the bonds you make out of your own sins. Bust those bad boys - Christ DID die to set you and I free, and that freedom is a thought away. Well, maybe a few thoughts. But it's a done deal - you can learn to accept it by investing the time and heart towards God to make your reliance on His grace and mercy your new habit.

Like I said - embrace the darkness, and recognize it for what it is. It's real. Then walk away a free man. Breath the fresh air of a new life and do - one good thing, one thing you know is right. Pray for someone, open a door for somebody and let them go before you. Compliment the next person that waits on you in a store. Read a good book, read the bible, watch the news and be glad you're not running for president. Good is where you find it, and where you make it.

The other stuff, the doctrinal stuff, will come. But if there is grace, mercy and forgiveness - and there is - it's because you need it. The way you feel is why.

You know you NEVER see a BLACK SHEEP SITTING WITH JESUS and i think that it is what JESUS DID THE MOST...THAT S HOW I FEEL ANYWAY AND he loves YOU!!!!! I myself am a black sheep of my family and i like it that way.

To answer your second question --- It (pfal) was *cheap and affordable* when I first took it.

Money wasn't an issue with it --- though the time commitment did offer *opportunities*.

Your first question requires a detailed answer -- which I'm not prepared to go into just now. :)

sorry,i guess that wasn't fair ,i was...........looking for answers and everything that green card said,and then i sold my 12 string guitar!

THAT IS FANTASTIC! Their are more out there and i think grease spot can get a hold of them too!

Where were you in your life when you met TWI? How dId you get the money for the snake oil mans pfal class?

And the bishops who don't enforce Church law...enabling this to happen.

Thanks!

sorry...i didn't think of that,i was just thinking of the laid back catholics that go to midnight mass buzzed!

HaHaHa!

The title really caught my eye.

In Fellow Laborers we always had to be in bed by midnight.

The lights had to be out and there was no talking allowed.

What happened if you violated the rule? Well, there was always the chance you could get kicked out of the program.

Almost nobody had a TV. (or phone, for that matter.)

It wouldn't have mattered anyway because they kept us busy from 5:00 AM until midnight.

We had to work at secular jobs 40 hrs./wk.

I remember people at work talking about this "hot" new show called "Saturday Night Live".

I felt like kind of a ninny because I had no way to watch it so I could be part of the conversation.

Our only real tie with the outside world was listening to the car radio as we traveled.

(not many selections back in 1975.)

I'm still at a loss when music from that period comes up in the conversation.

I guess one of the first things I bought that was for ME was a car with a half way decent radio.

what is fellow laborers? We were lucky in okc we got to watch SNL ,It was a by grace thing our branch leader said(how nice)

Hi, OCW

Hit your "enter" key when you want to drop down a line.

If, on the other hand, you find you want to drop UP a line, your computer might be upside down!!!

ok

i will

try

that!

i was really embarrassed when my sister and her boyfriend came to visit me in a college way home

we didn't have a TV

ps. you can't believe how angry i am about that

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

well ..lots of people don't have tv or watch tv and thats okay whatever...but..i didn't know what was going on in the world AT ALL. LIKE I WAS IN A COMA...i have to go watch ELI STONE now....adios amiga

I think she and I can agree too - that I need more space on the page between a few lines...

Its hard to look at.

cAN YOU TELL ME HOE TO FIX THIS/i was never the secretary type,i have a sharpshooter badge ,and was in psychological operations in the ARMY ,SO BASICALLY I AM A TRAINED KILLER.

I began to see something was wrong with twi when i met my husband at army school. The army was discipline enough but then as a military wow i not only had to be up before i ran two miles ,and do more that anyone by 9am but if i went out with him, i had to be home by midnght,he said okay what will happen if your not! What if this what if that....the first thing i bought when i had money because before when i was in twi i really didn't have much of anything,living out of a suitcase (travel light,i think they meant in the pocketbook!)anyway i got this little tv to watch during guard duty and just couldn't believe how the world had changed in 4 yrs,i felt amish or something. How did YOU feel and what was the first thing you bought fr YOURSELF?

i found claudettee to be a phony but i didn't know her when you did or how you did

and susan

a bit of a nutcase

but aren't we all

or me i should say

i knew them in 78-83. I kinda lived with susan in okc and tempe and love her dearly...claudette i love her too. I am sure their are times in our lives when we were not at our best,or at our best considering what we were all involved with here (twi) i have a wow brother that probably still hates my guts but then some hat love me...that just how it is...everyday is a winding road.

PLEASE don't be offended but could you separate your thoughts into paragraphs ? thank you so much

love,ex

i'm old and i think i need new reading glasses

sorry..don't know how to my english is not so good.

One good thing came out of this I witnessed to this hot army guy,he was my babe,we wanted to get married twi said NO(what !!!!! )so i left the military wow field married him and have been married 25 yrs now,3 grreat kids and 2 grandbabies,and 4 dogs!

I was brought up RC. I learned Latin and Greek in high school. I was even participating in the campus RC church choir while running a twig. Do I have any desire to go back? No. My wife does, but that's more for the music than anything else. I've been to several masses over the last few years (weddings, funerals). I find it amazing (and a little distrubing) that I can still remember essentially the whole Consecration prayer.

George

Isn't that the truth,all my family is catholic and when i visit them in texas it comes back,my kids don't know anything they just follow the kneel,sit,stand and try to not upset great grandma,my sister is wiccan,i am not active in any organization,but accept all parts of the body of christ as the family of God.

I was thinking more of the butterfly effect of cocoons and as we grow out of twi we are mature and can fly,no longer camoflauge,in a mask blending and so forth,music is music and if it bothers you change it as with anything else change it,but get ut of the cocoon.

Could it be......??

S.O.W.E.R.S.

Stuck On Wierwille Epicycle Regulates Spirituality

ewww! that is my last name. p l e a s e .

HI...FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT DO PRAY AND BELIEVE IN PRAYER. My little grandson needs prayer,he is being tested for seizures,abnor,al liver and is positive for hepittas,he is only two has a speech delay,we thought he was autistic but,noe we think ot rather the doctor thinks it is something else,there is a 7 month waiting list for an autism evaluation at Philidelphia childrens hospital,his mom and him live with me and his biological father is not in the picture,he walked out of the hospital and left him.

You can reach Claudettee here

CLICK

thank you very much.

Dear Excathedra and Potato,

Not only did he allow people to call him "the Word in the flesh" but as far as I know I was the last one willing to stand up to his B.S. so I have every reason to believe it can only be worse now.

He is 14th Corps and now he believes that he's the judge of everything leftover from TWI. I can't count the times he's lead people into believing that it all will or should belong to him.

The one thing that I can say for sure is that the manner in which he ruined my life proves that he can be very wicked and destructive.

Dear coolchef and potato,

This is why I don't like the "C" word. In the eighties TWI was called a cult by many religious people and it's primary effect on the street was to discourage reasonable folks from considering very real doctrinal issues.

As soon as I got into the word I went out and bought a copy of "The Kingdom of the Cults" and did my best to reconcile what they said with what I saw. I didn't see the bad things going on deep inside the ministry, but I did see good people holding on to controversial doctrine and get labled a "cult" for their trouble. That's why I will never use that word. It was and always will be primarily a slanderous term to me. But I'm not going to dog any of you about it either.

The effort to hold on to the good doctrine in spite of the bad things going on is painful to me. But I will do my best to do both.

History is full of God doing great things for people only to have them sin grievously. Not just in the pages of the bible but in church history and even current events. The sin does not change what God was trying to do. You may not agree with me, but it's where I stand. God help me, I can do nothing else.

I will not disparage the experiences of the folks who were deeply hurt either.

I hear it called an alternative religon now,in walter martins book of cults it is still a cult,how is it in YOUR mind? to other people it is differant things,it is hard to say the word cult at first.

I left the way in 1999 and since then I have often questioned the authenticity of what I was taught about speaking in toungues, is it real, is it a real gift of God and proves my salvation? I still speak in tognues from time to time but how do I know it is real? And what about the other manifestations? Are they what we were taught them to be. I have thought on these things and wrestled with them so heavily that I know have to be on antidepressents because I am unsure if I am even saved. I believe there has to be a God, but since I left the ministry, I feel like I have no connection with Him, was this all a sham. anyone please help me here, I am at my wit's end.

just know without LOVE we are nothing,just a bunch of wind chimes in a parade,if you were a deaf mute and couldn't hear or speak you would still be a child of GOD. I know how you feel but it is a lie YOU ARE A PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST,EVEN IF YOU ARE NOT A CHURCH GOING,BIBLE THUMPING PERSON AND DO NOT EVER EVER FORGET THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED FOR YOU! YOU FEEL FREE TO TALK TO ME IF YOU WANT.