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    Happy Deathday!

    That door's a floodgate now, old friend! Wow... Random thoughts...Back in touch with some of the old Cookin' Mama guys, one specifically who ended up in fact working for 10+ years with Gregg Allman on the road. He is a great musician, Tommy played guitar and was the founder of Cookin' Mama. We'd played together in a blues band prior to that which is how we met (and through that group of people is how I met my later-to-be-wife, although we soon realized we'd actually met the year prior to that - different story to that!).........Tommy picked up organ along the way when the CM band fleshed out from a 3 piece to horns and an expanded rhythm section which soon included me. He was getting his chops together on it by that summer when we went east after the ROA '71 to NY. I remember that C3? organ of Ralph's in his basement, where we rehearsed.....Alley Pond Park! that gig lingers in memory - playing with PDSTRO, and I think Sweet Fellowship, right? It was sort of a sprawl across the stage of several guitarists and bass and organ, etc. Loved playing there. We'd worked our way across the country that summer, Kansas first stop where we played in Wichita with Donnie F and the gang who we'd met just the year before in California and played a few gigs with Dove, and some group named "Crank" who I think did plenty of it.....then Indianapolis with John Lynn and the early Good Seed boys and we played a couple times, then the Way Nash for the summer school and ROA, then on to New York.....Tommy went on to do more organ work, and eventually got hooked up with Allman and that group worked for quite awhile with him. They still gig together and go billed as his former road band. Course there's the whole extended family of musicians that are the top tier of the lineup around that family of musicians (Betts, Haynes, Trucks, Herring, etc etc) but Tommy and the boys can, as they say, play. Allman didn't have any you had to knock it out and cut it every time from what I've heard. I've jammed with his group before and they canmove it right along, as they say. I'm working on a bunch of his guitars right now in fact and every couple months we chat, exchange some guitars - we've talked a lot about that summer and how great it was to meet all of you other there.... And back to Brian - I'm not sure if he was in the fellowship in '71, up in White Plains or Larchmont at that time, I don't recall meeting him when we played up there in Rye at Bishop's Dad's church......but I remember you, Cliff, Richie, Steve Perez, the gang.....we stayed for a week or so with Donald and Polly L too - our VW bus engine blew up, on the way in (Throg's Neck Bridge) and we had to get it replaced - in fact we had it at Geer's family's home who were gone for the summer? but he was there, as I recall, in the backyard of what I remember as a huge-ass house, and after not getting it repaired by our collective efforts it went into a shop with our family picking up the tab to help us out - whole nother story there too - ! Anyway.... I remember your red 335! I had the gold top Les Paul at the time. And I get what you mean about living there for more years - unfortunately it all turned inward. Many of the earliest plans were to get music together and hit the road. JN did a fair amount of that as time went on............. CMama certainly never had any plans to go with a "house band" role although we were more than happy to support the Way Nash's efforts. I also tried later with Sonrise in California, in '72 and the Way Nash wasn't sure what it wanted to do yet - Dr VP asked me about the 4th Corps as he thought a few others were coming into the 4th too, which would have included you. So that was the next step, but without a full rhythm section it wasn't able to get off the ground at the rate I think I'd originally envisioned it. I'm a guitar player and it doesn't work telling musicians they're f'd up all day long and working for the devil if they sneeze wrong. I figured there'd be some of that but it got way out of hand..............There was that early spark and I always remember after that first concert in Minster when we did Richies "As He Is", with the fast/4 jam at the end and I did kind of abbreviated bebop solo style and later VPW commented he had no idea "I could play that stuff", I think he thought I was a hippy plucker from Cali and that was it. He made the infamous statement - "turn up, I could barely hear you!!!".............something that didn't get said much after that as between Dorothy and Mark G there was always someone to make sure it was never "too loud"........Ken M was more than patient from his perspective and eventually did the kind of work he wanted to which was great, stuff........ Cookin' Mama burned VP's hide on volume though - we made loud go a whole nother place. Somewhere in the middle would have been nice but it's weird and you reminded me, every dammed set of ears in the Way Corps was always being an expert on sound and volume and what God liked and disliked............having a bunch of farmers-kids and former MacDonald's managers run things for a worldwide audience was........limiting to say the least. But - we tried. Which then reminds me of after Skip came in and joined in - Dorothy had always pumped that pipe organ like a tank, her and Rhoda could actually played pretty dammed loud for that BRC, at times. I remember Skip and I looking at each other at a SNS during one of those power-fests and cracking up! LIke - "whhhhuuuuut's happening HERE?".......they would crank it! Meanwhile I had a little pea shooter amp stuck under a piano somewhere and we were trying to figure out why no one could hear me....!! LOL! The memories, man - I do wish we could have picked it some for another year, that would have been fun. Who knows? I remember that when we did that first ROA album of tunes my song ended up being that last one we worked on and we had to rush the guitar parts, but we did do some harmony parts and wrapped it at the last minute. Don't remember the name of it but I remember working the parts out with you. I've never really told you I don't think, but it was a bit of a let down you re assigned as there were no other blues/rock players in the group then, there was me. And me, and then me. The other guys were good musicians yes, but different styles. I did learn that whole Travis thing from Cliff - prior to that I did kind of a backwards roll being left handed, so I liked learning the "right way" on that. Cool stuff, ol' friend!
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    Happy Deathday!

    From my perspective, Brian was a very talented, and very young man when he went in the Way Corps. We were all pretty young, but he was one of a few who had just graduated high school. He literally grew up and was raised in The Way Corps, for better or worse. Have you heard his CD "Electrified", TLB? It contains a range of old and many new songs he's recorded. Listen to that - you'll hear his journey, it'll tell you everything you want to know about his songwriting. IMO - Brian wrote two great songs, or I"ll say, I have two that would be my favorites - "Sons of God" and "Captain of Salvation", and of the two, CoS is my favorite. Sons of God is basically a reworking of "Maybe I'm Amazed", which McCartney had put out in 1970 on his first solo release after the Beatles parted ways. The chordal approach and chromatic run, etc all felt like that song and it was the obvious "where have we heard this before" influence but Brian did a good job with it - and it's not exactly like McCartney owns that bass run down now although he's made it part of his personal style. The original guitar solo that GDE played was patterned off McCartney's bend and release country/rock guitar solos on that song, again not a direct copy but the style fell into place that way. I switched from gutiar and played the bass on the earliest version and live, and added thunky ghost notes to the bass line, alternating between roomy 1/2 notes and percussive hits. The recording was plain vanilla all around, as usual but live there was room to play with the feel of it. Tempo-wise Sons of God could be very slow and dramatic or pick and move at a steady clip so it filled more than one emotional spot for the listener and that could be seen by how listeners reacted to it. It doesn't really tell a personal story, and I think Brian was stronger at this kind of direct statement/metaphor approach. Captain of Salvation pulled all of that together into a full, mature statement, using a similar maestoso feel to sections and this time with more of the heroic feel of a struggle that overcomes and as told by an observer - since the song didn't have an actual verse-chorus A-A-B-A structure it was able to kind of get going, keep going and roll to a big end with a flourish. The recording of it included "strings" and some orchestral sounding arrangement that served the overall vision well. I especially liked those two songs because while the lyrics had an element of inspiration to them they also reflected craft, how the rhymes were constructed, the editing process of the writing and then the final product being something that reads well as well as sings well. The music was based on the original piano parts and the arrangement enhanced the piano which contained the full statement of the song. That was part of JN"s challenge musically, there was always a lot going on, a lot of duplication in the tonal range, piano and guitar parts stacked on top of each other, etc. etc. Sometimes chords moved around each other, like 1's and 6's circling wagons. : ))) It took a few years to sort out a way to approach the music. Based on the earliest work we did with DWBH he and I were probably more inclined to a rock version of things, in fact we tried some Allman Bro's harmony parts here and there, he plays very lyrically, melodically, and I'd been a blues player dabbling in fusion-y stuff previous to all this so there was a basis for the music to go forward in a strong direction but alas - and interesting there was No Drummer from Day One so it was up to KM who gallantly took the task on. Without that we'd have had ol' Ted and his snare drum. And I loved Ted but yeah - ya gotta have a strong percussionist. I'd played all sort of music over the years prior so although I have my preferences like the others, I jumped in and gave it a shot. I'm happy with what we did, we tried and grew in the process. Great people working together towards a goal. Sure, it was a PFAL marketing machine for a lot of the time but the hearts of the individuals that wanted to serve God's people made it work when it did. Brians part in it was huge. These songs have meant a lot to a lot of people in ways that has nothing to do with The Way Nash and a lot to do with their faith and God's part of their lives. So - there's that and that's good thing. : ) Heiwa!!!!
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    Happy Deathday!

    We chat every blue moon or so. He's had some surgeries the last few years, and I keep him and his health in my prayers. Far as I know he's doing well these days. There's a few things we likely disagree on but at this stage there's no point, our paths hopefully remain on the same long arc of God's love and grace. My prayer for all of us is to live these last years without doing harm and without getting our butts kicked too much, or at least in a way that doesn't cripple us for the remaining time. I always tell anyone from the old days, if you were my friend then, you're still my friend now - let's not give each other a reason to change that. Brian's been gracious in talking and sharing with me, and I return the courtesy in kind. PEACE!!!!!
  4. Thanks Mark. The original question - "Did Jesus 'do' 7 of the manifestations" - doesn't have much meaning for me - so I can't really answer it. Why is that important? What would that mean to me or to my understanding of Jesus? Or who I am and the life I live. Spiritual life is too mechanical the way that Dr. VPW taught it. On the one hand he believed that "spirit" and things of the spirit can't be analyzed, can't be put into a test tube and broken down into an understanding produced by human, 5 sense analysis. On the other hand he attempted to do exactly that when he proposed PFAL as a class on "How, with a capital H-O-W", to live the more than abundant life that Jesus promised. One the one hand he believed that Jesus Christ promised a "more than abundant life" in all "categories that was only possible - "available" - when one was born again of God's spirit. On the other hand he said he looked "round about me" in the community in which he lived and saw the "unbeliever" who wasn't born again living a life that was often "more abundant" than the "believers" in church. Etc. etc. etc. One of the great successes of PFAL's content is that it opens the Bible and reads it to the audience. "God's Word" is given preeminence, is made the authority and is the thing which must first be understood in order to understand everything else. One of the great failures of PFAL's content is that it contrasts the "physical" and the "spiritual" in a way that never comes together for the listener to the end that they can ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND H-O-W it all works, as promised. In fact it comes together more as a conflicting set of conditions that never resolve, once assembled and listed out the way it's taught. Sure we're born again, "operating" God's spirit by session 12 - but GreaseSpot Cafe is a validation of an unfortunate but honest fact - many many of those who "took the Class" either faked or fumbled their way through a process that they later perfected through practice. "Excellors sessions" indeed. Does that negate what the Bible teaches, what we can actually read? No. In further fact I would contend that VPW's dualist theology, while based on biblical ideas and concepts, is really a non-biblical man's view of the spiritual universe described through out the Bible. The great "battle of the senses" and the "spiritual warfare" of Ephesians aren't described as a winnable "war", in this time frame before Christ's return to gather His Church together. It may be a fight but it's only a fight between losers. We "win" by choosing Christ, allowing God's sovereignty to reign in our hearts and living as best we can in the time we have. VPW suggested as many many teachers have, that the emphasis in this life is to be placed on the "walk", the process, the sets of decisions and actions we take day after day......and our lives are made up of such things - but the emphasis of Christianity is that Christ bore the weight and responsibility of moving mankind forward and sets our paths towards the future. Thus there's no dualist ideal, no great division of good and evil and a war to see who "wins". God wins. Always, and always has, does and will. "Light and in whom there is no darkness". Once we are "seated in the heavenlies" of God's promises we are to no longer struggle to be better, or essentially see a problem where there is no longer one - rather we are to apply ourselves to "grow in grace" and grow in the abundance of God's gifts upon which our new life is made of. . Period. That's it. The dualist, work-hard-win mindset isn't "the Believer's Lifestyle". The earliest "believers" didn't have the time or the teaching to tweak doctrine the way we try to now. Their experience was real, the healings real in signifying God's greater presence and power, miracles that gave real human testimony to the spiritual. It wasn't like getting a perfect score on a test - it was Real Change, Real Life and Real Love. Whether we or Jesus or my gramma "do" 7 of the 9 or 15 of the 20 or anything of anything is the wrong way to look at it. God's people need to stop being led around by the nose of that loser-ville jock-for-Jesus attitude that's been heaped on them. Start living the life. Start being "what God says you are".
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    The Manipulation of Language

    Retemories - a branded term for the small flash cards with scripture verses on them. "Believers" don't memorize, they "retermorize". Cop Out - a version of the older term that meant to "cop to a plea" or 'fess up. Adopted by Wayfers to mean someone who left the Way, dropped membership, was no longer "standing" or "believing" the "accuracy of the Word". Eventually everyone but a small remnant will, in order to pattern closely what happened to Paul by the end of his life. The Best - when good just isn't good enough, everything has to be "the best". A bar frequently not reached, usually because of something you did. Blessed - another word for doing fine, feeling good, things are going your way, but with the added weight of God's eternal approval and judgment. All leadership is blessed and if they're not, it's your fault. Joyful - spiritually happy. Makes regular "5 sense" happy seem like a dirty word, no one's really blessed being happy, they have to have JOY and be full of it. 5 Senses - very limiting way of learning and knowing something, unreliable and bad. Never rely on your senses unless it's a leaders senses in which case they're not really just 5 senses, they're the very fabric of God's Presence. All 9 All The Time - another way of saying you're "believing" and "walking" with all the manifestations in operation, means you're in fellowship and pretty much golden. A goal, unless you're a leader in which case you're next fart is really a Word of Knowledge. There's so many more of course. And there's a common theme to many of them. I agree that it's not unique to "religious" cults, and is more a part of humanity's need to recognize who's a friendly and inside the inner circle of trust, like family and your closes associates. Like jokes only you 'n' me understand (wink wink) and the noobs don't get yet, kind of thing. Definitely can be used as a tool of manipulation too.
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    Evidence: Letters VPW wrote to the Way Corps

    Hi Penworks - in Buzzard's archive of doc's there's a letter from October 1978 covering events involving Marty McCrae, John Fanning and Peter Bernegger and they're involvement in some research project(s)....what's your take on all that? I vaguely remember some details but think we were traveling a lot at that point. You can message me too if that works better.
  7. Browsing and reading.... I think it has to do with perspective. What's the fundamental place from which I view this or any "technical" question in the Bible and from which I then get my view, my perspective that informs me? Christianity, faith in Christ, life in "the way, the truth and the life" is a rebirth, a new birth, a new beginning for me. So then, a question - if I didn't know anything more about it than that, could I still live it? If all I knew was that I now follow Jesus Christ, and accept my own human condition as one requiring mercy and forgiveness to succeed, that Jesus Christ has acted on my behalf and bridged a gap I would have been unable to, and that the full life possible is to be "born again of God's spirit", or God's "life".....then what? The most basic place to go from there is "living the life". And the question would be is it "on or off", active or passive, in wait mode for a future or in act mode, living now? I think we could agree it's on, it's active, it's a life to be lived. Everything I read in the New Testament encourages me to be patient and steadfast in living this new life now, while knowing death is not the end, that there is a future beyond that, a "hope" and that I must transition to that future. So again and still - what is this new life, this place from which I now live and work? The question of "gifts or manifestations" and related issues answers itself then - we have a new life, in Christ. We are born again of God's spirit, we are God's children, we are new creation in Christ, we have a fresh new set of answers and ideas to bring to our fellow man - Accept God's gift of forgiveness and mercy through Christ. Believe that God showed us the Way through death in Christ's resurrection, believe that God raised Him from the dead and that now we too can be raised into new life believing in that, and that the new life to come is our future. Believe it, say it. Now - forgive as you've been forgiven. Extend mercy as it's been shown to you. Lift others as you have been lifted. Pray to God and seek Him, pray for others and that they will do the same. Act as Jesus did, do as He did, live the new life without owing anyone anything other than to love them. I encourage people to a living faith, an active lifestyle that embraces all the fundamentals, all the time. "All nine all the time" sounds childish, boorish, to me now, like somethng I'd hear in a football game analysis. The whole attitude takes something eternal and incredible and turns it into a list of things-to-do and "believe for", greek words to be twisted and squeezed to gain some deeper understanding of what is already here, now and living in me. One thing I learned in the Way - men will torture the life out of each other and every word in the Bible while condemning each other to hell, to get to some elevated stated of enlightened understanding and ignore mercy, forgiveness, grace. There's that old saying - you can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink"......in the Way we saw it as no, you can lead that horse to water and if you hose it down, stand it in 10 feet of water, show it pictures of water all day and say "water water water water water" a million times it will eventually just swallow whatever you're giving it to just get you to stop. It doesn't mean it liked it or won't bolt the minute you're not looking. And that isn't belief or faith or trust. How can God have the heart of a man or woman if they're only trying to please some lesser power or get something of lesser value than to please their Creator? The line of people that want to start some new improved version of Christianity that's better than what's come before is pretty long. The line of those who give a shit about people, care for them and are willing to be as passionate about learning to forgive and love as they are about cutting out their lesser competition is much shorter. “The Lord is gracious and full of compassion, slow to anger and great in mercy. The Lord is good to all, and His tender mercies are over all His works.” Psalm 145:8,9.
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    Raising the Dead 1 & 2

    Maybe the dating's messed up on this thread but it looks like you just responded to a discussion that started about 2 years ago, saying you just listened to these - again? - and it was less than an hour not two hours.....there's been no link to the Youtube vid's you watched, and if I search under Raising the Dead 1 or 2, all sorts of dead things come up. Anyway - if it's been two years, and you did listen to them again, how's it going with this? Anything new to share? Thanks.
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    Hello! Anyone out there?

    Yeah, both of everyone seems back. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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    Random thoughts

    "What doesn't kill you makes you stronger."
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    Random thoughts

    "Correct me if I'm wrong but..." Means - NO way in heaven or hell am I wrong and even if I were you're not up to the task of correcting me in this or any other world, so just listen please."
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    Get Over It already

    Wow!! I've been perusing the posts here lately and just saw this and thought hmmm.... the sower online page link came up "nothing found for Sower Current.html" which seemed ironic for a site with the slogan "Building an Enduring Work of Truth" and then I checked back on the start post date and realized this post was started on May 31, 2006......Bush Jr. was president.....and a year before the first iPhone was released. I thought about where I was and what I was doing in 2006. A year later I took a major career step, one that turned out very well. It was a very different time and place but even now when I read that I thought how odd, what's this person talking about? And I think if I'd read that in 2006, and maybe I did, I'd have thought the same thing. I hope things have gone well, frisco person! Looooooooooooong time no see! Live well and prosper!
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    Random thoughts

    (inserts LOL's) Used in a sentence together - "With all due respect, it goes without saying that the proposed plan under review, well, it sucks donkey balls."
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    Random thoughts

    You can always tell when something "goes without saying" because that's what gets said next. Usually.