Kevlar2000

It's ironic.

To have sat through and accepted (embraced, for some of us) 12 sessions of teaching which were directly opposite of what mainstream Christianity taught took an iconoclastic, slightly anarchistic, "think-outside-of-the-box" mentality.

For the Way to demand persons with that mindset to conform and adhere to its viewpoints, doctrine and dogma without question under the guise of "like-mindedness" was to demand abandonment of the very qualities that drew many of us to that organization.

It is foolish policy, and it dooms the Way to tiny insignificance.

Perhaps one only needs to contact the Wierwille children and ask them how the head kahunas treated and took care of Dorothea Wierwille in her last days.

And then ask themselves, Is this an organization to which I want to devote my time, energy and money?

(Of course, one could also ask oneself, They've been abusive a**h*!es in the past - what's to stop them from doing it again? What safeguards exist? And what gives them the authority to order my life around, anyhow?)

p.s. - I think you can tell what my answer would be. :)

*shaking my head in sadness*

...that the ministry be not blamed.

Indeed.

2nd Corinthians 6:1-18 (from The Bible in Plain English [crosswalk.com], emphasis mine):

We then, working together with God, make our request to you not to take the grace of God to no purpose. (For he says, I have given ear to you at a good time, and I have been your helper in a day of salvation: see, now is the good time; now is the day of salvation):

Giving no cause for trouble in anything, so that no one may be able to say anything against our work; But in everything making it clear that we are the servants of God,

In quiet strength, in troubles, in need, in sorrow,

In blows, in prisons, in attacks, in hard work, in watchings, in going without food;

In a clean heart, in knowledge, in long waiting, in being kind, in the Holy Spirit, in true love,

In the true word, in the power of God; with the arms of righteousness on the right hand and on the left,

By glory and by shame, by an evil name and a good name; as untrue, and still true;

Unnoted, but still kept fully in mind; as near to death, but still living; as undergoing punishment, but not put to death;

As full of sorrow, but ever glad; as poor, but giving wealth to others; as having nothing, but still having all things.

The Way ministry leaders would never have had to worry about being blamed if they hadn't made a tacit policy of endorsing and then hiding wrongdoing.

They could have said "Love or hate what we teach, but we live our lives loving God and others, and doing the best we can in the kindest way possible."

They didn't, and we're paying the price for their malfeasance.

(btw, I don't go quoting bible a lot anymore, but it just seems to me this whole "ministry be not blamed" was taken completely out of context, and handled erroniously and deceitfully, especially for an organization which sole purpose is to "rightly divide the Word of Truth".)

...where they serve moonshine for Communion.

Nothing wrong with that. I love country handicrafted things!

:)

Baltimore should protect Baltimore source as informant in this matter...

ource appears to be very intelligent ...

It ain't me! Honest!

And the second line proves it!

:D

Yes, let's end it now. :P

What consenting adults do with consenting adults in privacy generally is no one's business (unless it's Paris Hilton; she makes it our business).

But adults doing that kind of stuff to kids?

"Whennn the moon hits your eye like a big pizza pie, thaat's a-dump-e..."

For Ron :D

Perhaps the scariest thing about her is the fact that she can look you in the eye, smile, lie to you, and cut off your balls and stab you in the back all at the same time.

Well, at least you can say she's good at multi-tasking.

:lol:

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Sorry to end the mystery and thus, probably, the fun.

On the contrary, I got quite a giggle out of the whole thing.

I liken the entire progression of TWI 1 classes to initiation into a "secret" WayWorld society, and the picture that comes in my mind is the scene in the movie Animal House where Kevin Bacon's character is hazed into a fraternity by being swatted with a paddle by guys in hooded robes:

Foundational Class

*swack!*

"Thank you sir, may I have another?!"

Intermediate Class

*swack!*

"Thank you sir, may I have another?!"

Collateral Classes (CF&S, Renewed Mind, et. al.)

*swack!*

"Thank you sir, may I have another?!"

Advanced Class

*swack!*

"Thank you sir, may I have another?!"

Way Corps.....

Well, you get the idea.

I find it bizarre that they would do something like that, even in jest, but I'm not surprised.

Anymore.

Hiya and congratulations, I Love Bagpipes. Welcome to this marketplace of ideas and ideals.

28 years - This can't be easy or painless for you. I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

Was there any one thing that finally did it for you, the final straw, so to speak?

(and re: WordWolf's post, if it's too personal or gives away identifying information, you don't have to tell us. It's well known the WayGB monitor this site, gathering personal information to use in hostile confrontations.)

He kept going, and going, and going, then his voice softened and he was speaking, but it was literally a hissing type speech - he was hissing at her. I kept thinking, he's acting like a snake! And he kept going, and going...

He must have been speaking Parseltongue! That's it! C G is really Lord Voldemort in disguise!

Run for the hills! He's baaaaack!

:)

Doesn't PETA actually stand for People Eating Tasty Animals? :D

I think someone here had posted a link some time ago to a billboard that read,

"There's room for all of God's creatures...right next to the mashed potatoes."

Classic.

"I'd like to talk to you today about the dangers of global warming..."

Too much head on that beer - I'll fix it.....

Hi SunnyFla,

I used to live in Florida (around 1964-65), and still have lots of relatives who live there. Does that count? :)

Welcome to our little slice of freedom.

Happy belated Birthday, Belle!

God forbid, in a moment of candor, you let slip that all is not perfect in your life... and open yourself up for a complete rectal exam by the leadership...

Come now, would you deny leadership all their fun little perks in life?

:lol:

Lindy,

Squirrel Nut Zippers, correct?

One of my favorites is, "Don't sweat the petty things - and don't pet the sweaty things."

:)

WHY DO GUYS ITCH THIER NUTS AND SMELL THIER HANDS?

ROFLMAO :lol:

(wipes laughter tears from his eyes)

I imagine guys scratch for the same reason every one else does; because it itches. :)

It really shouldn't be done in polite company, but it happens.

As for smelling their hands afterwards.....I'm clueless.

I won't ask if anyone here does that, but does anyone know why one would?

(god, I'm still laughing. That set the tone for my entire day)

...Believe it or not, I have always wanted to see AOS on tape again just for grins.

Gee, I'd like to look at it again just to see what I thought was so wonderful about it at the time.

I think I have that tape buried around here somewhere; unfortunately....it's in Betamax format.

Guess I'll just have to visualize it in my mind.

-_-

I remember my wife and I seeing the depiction of "sensual" spirits in that production; she turned to me and said, "They can't get possessed portraying that kind of stuff over and over again, can they?" And I said, "Naw, honey, these folks are the cream of the crop spiritually-speaking. They know what they're doing."

:blink:

..."revenge is a dish best served cold.

Like pizza with dead bugs on it.

:P

I've ofter thought Martindale would be "back" in one capacity or another, regardless of the legal/insurance liability. He continued Mr. Wierwille's tradition of providing animation to a rather dry and stuffy subject (biblical research) and did it far more sucessfully than anyone since. Of course, his excesses (a byproduct of Wierwille's erronious doctrine and practice) were just as "root, hog and die" as his teaching style.

But for certain people who filed lawsuits against the Way for Martindale's "indescretions", he'd still be there today.

Because nothing there has really changed. Nobody's belief system there really embraces the concept of right and wrong. As far as they're concerned, God's on their side and all's right with WayWorld.

As far as they're concerned, Martindale (as God's Annointed) had every right to do what he did. It's just man's law (read "The Adversary") that forced him into the wilderness.

So why not welcome him back? He'd return to thunderous applause and dewy-eyed devotion.

"If God be for Loy Craig Martindale, who can be against him? NO ONE, NO ONE, NO ONNNNNNNNE!"

After Howard Allen wrote a letter telling me to get out of the way, ...

I was always told (in hushed, private generalized conversations, cause it's not about personalities, people come and go, it's all about The Word, The Word, and nothing but The Word, dontcha know) that you chose to disassociate yourself from the Way International due to vague and undefined doctrinal differences with Mr. Wierwille.

Thank you for correcting my misinformation.

And please feel free to post whatever thoughts and recollections you'd like. You have an unique historical perspective which would be appreciated by many of us.

Thanks.

Oh, Wayfer Not, I absolutely feel your pain.

I had bought a brand-new 2005 Toyota Corolla in July. I was real careful about where I parked it (parked way out in a store's parking lot, tried to park with one side next to an inanimate object, etc.), washed and polished it every second day - you know the drill. I so dreaded getting the first scratch on it, 'cause that's always the one that hurts the most.

A month after I got it, someone slams into the back of my car while I'm at a stop light. Did $3500 worth of damage.

The day I got it back from the body shop, somebody in a mass-transit parking lot ('cause I'm trying to save on gas) puts a nice scrape on the front bumper.

Sometimes, new cars are just ding magnets.