Kevlar2000

Hi wrinkled! Welcome to our little greasy patch in the free world!

From your avatar - "Guess what MY name means", let's see:

A possible reference to your age,

A secret fascination with prunes and raisins,

or you're trying to tell us you're a Shar Pei.

Or all of the above?

In any event, welcome!

if people want to see, they will

if they don't, they won't

i still can't believe anyone would follow the psycho bus driver

i still can't believe people think wierwille never did anything horribly inappropriate on that bus

sorry for the de-rail :)

Excie, not a de-rail at all; rather, I think you have succinctly summed up the matter.

The information is there for those with eyes to see and ears to hear - and internet to browse.

If they don't - then

PFAHell has something just for yoooooooou.....

Just another case of art imitating life.

Seems to be a bad proposal with good intentions.

I think I see a road that needs paving. <_<

In WayWorld,

Control (renew) your mind equals,

"I'm right, you're wrong, so STFU and do it my way!"

I have hand cuffs

Oooooh Dottie, you have my attention!

20 years later (physically out), I find myself (at times) still bound by the mental bondage.

Given my thoughts, questions, and predjudices -- I wonder if I am *out*, totally, these days.[/color]

The difference between then and now is, you recognize it as "mental bondage."

You are free to take out those thoughts, put them on the table, examine them and decide for yourself what is worthy of salvage and what should go down the garbage disposal.

You are free not to have to instantly decide if you agree with something or not. You can take your time with your thoughts, because they are now your thoughts, not somebody elses jammed down your throat.

You are free to say "No." "No" is a complete sentence.

You are free to say, "I think I might like to go to church today," without getting the Genuinely Spritually Suspicious All-Seeing Eye from the "spiritual superiors."

Or not.

You are free to go jam at a bluegrass festival of your choosing without clearing it with a household coordinator who has all the spiritual love, ability and acumen of Sasquatch.

The only thing you have to string is your instrument. (Stringing chairs? I wonder what they sound like when you play them.)

You're free to love God and love others without having to see if they have been placed on a Mark and Avoid list.

You are free from having to do anything the Way International tried to force you to do.

Yep, you're free. Go play outside.

i did get some painting done, robbed a little from peter, and the house looks so much better (didn't do it for that kid though, he can't come over ha ha ha ha ha ha ha)

Excie, you should have told that rotten kid you wanted to use him as a stencil while painting the wall.

... and btw, in my church, Pluto is still a planet ...they killed Pluto ... those bastids!

Just as long as they don't touch Ura....

I can't do it, I just can't. That's too awful a joke, even for me.

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Just a thought about Mrs. Wierwille's status:

The Way International was never her ministry. It was never her organization. She was never the head of it, she didn't call the shots, she didn't have control of the way things were done. She didn't even "marry into" the ministry. She was dragged along for the ride, whether or not she wanted to go. Any perquisites or responsibilities she had were at the whim of Dr. ControlFreakmaster.

Yeah she could have tried to break up his party, but then she would have been out on her @ $ $ with 3-5 kids in tow. Where would she have gone? To a local Way Home, which would have been told she was "tripped out", "not in fellowship" and even possibly "possessed with 5-star diamon" by the major leadership trying to cover Victor's (and possibly their) butt? I'm sure she knew all about living dirt poor from being hooked up with "the Doctor" in his early parsonage years.

I think she looked at her options, and chose the lesser of many (wierw)evils.

Instead of a 3 X 5, most people who know me would rather use a 2 X 4.

"Pruning the vineyard."

Is that the same as "keeping the household clean"?

It makes me wonder - If LCM had not been forced to resign his position, how long would it have taken before "the ministry" tried something like this.

LCM certainly had the inclination for it:

(From the July 1994 letter to the Way Corps)"Some of us do walk by the spirit of God, and if you give us time we will smoke your sorry asses out and bring degradation to your lives so that you can't hurt anybody in The Way Ministry again. You should be thankful your'e not in the Old Testament times, because there are some of us who would gladly execute you. I (LCM) would rejoice at the privilege, as angry as I am spirtually about this right now." (Emphasis mine)

I feel for every one of you who suffered under this lunatic. I can only echo the sentiments of others who say Thank God for the Allens, who really got the ball rolling for this guy's ouster.

"Is that a gas-powered rifle?"

Sigh...I totalled my little car tonight :(

Rascal, are you and yours all right?

Sending good thoughts and prayers your way.

Belle -

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I suppose we should add "transgender" to the list (not sure if this is the same as "transsexual" - the online dictionary gives essentially the same definition, but there may be subtle differences).

"What did the doctor tell your parents when you were born?

He said, "What a treasure - let's bury it!" :)

Why do I keep hearing the theme song from Jaws running through my head when I see this picture?

Exactly, Mark. It's like an Old Country Buffet for great whites.

And on tonight's menu.....

Chinese.

Sounds like Pat has a "genuine spiritual suspicion" about what weather we're going to have this year.

Knowing there are people who hang on every word this nitwit says, I don't feel so bad about my involvement in the Way.

I guess if you put yourself on a pedestal you have to really watch what you do once you get up there...

Or at least be careful of who might be looking up your kilt.

God only knows what I would say after a bottle of tequila!

Me too, Radar. I might even get sloppy for the 'good old days' in TWI.

But only if it's Patron. :)

We're heat indexed at about 105 today, Pond, near Baltimore.

QT, I just checked the website temperature of one of the Television Hill TV stations, and they're saying it's 106 degrees, heat index. I can't remember the last time I felt like I was actually baking in a pizzeria oven, but that's what it felt like when I was out earlier this afternoon.

And I'm in one of the areas that have water restrictions, too. Double Whammy.

Belle,

I don't know that the Way International, as a corporate body, will ever retract or apologize for things done in the past.

It would not be wise legally. To admit they ever "officially" endorsed these kinds of behavior might make them liable to any number of civil (if not criminal) lawsuits.

It would not fit with their dogma- the whole "forgetting the past" thing. That obviously includes their past - look how many times Wierwille and Martindale are mentioned on their very own website.

And, if you are "more than conquerors," you don't need to apologize to those to whom the good seed of the Word (their version of it, anyway) has fallen on stony ground. All of us ex-way are just bitter and hard-harded - not meek to receive doctrine, reproof or correction.

They also like to practice a sort of "selective" amnesia. "We never said you had to sell your house - you just won't be able to participate 'fully' in our classes if you have any debt." Of course, the unspoken truth is, if you can't participate 'fully', you're not really a member of the "Household", and are not really to be trusted. (That crap still staggers me - the whole 'no-debt' foolishness.)

Unless the cash flow becomes so meager that they're forced to either lighten up on their disciples or become even more restrictive and draconian, or unless the IRS takes away their tax-exemption, why would they feel the need to change?

Gotta LUV the *rainbow* hair-do!

Do you think Craig was trying to tell us something?

(ooooh, naughty, naughty Kevlar!)

Seriously, what irritates me more than their lack of fashion sense was they were vacationing on the Way followers' dime. People were "abundantly sharing" their car payments and food money for the month, forgoing home ownership, and could only dream about places like this.

And would then reprove themselves for being "off the Word" and "thinking evil."

Irritates? More like, infuriates.

...that woman gives me the willies.

Actually, that picture tends to make willie retreat, if you know what I mean.

Yeeeeesh!

ROTFLMAOPIMP!

That ranks right up there with someone leaning their head out of a clothing store dressing room and shouting,

"Hey! There's no toilet paper in here!"

I have recieved ...a '50' pin that I have to wear all day, according to the giver!!!

You know why you're required to wear that pin, don't you? Because otherwise, no one would believe that's how old you are. :)

Happiest of birthdays, act2!

It's a shame to see such a beautiful instrument ruined. Any of you talented folks know anything about perhaps salvaging this mess?

Bon Ami cleanser, maybe? It's worth a try.