Kevlar2000

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What did he say that made you think he was Danish?

Uh, Chas, I think he was offering a danish to go with his coffee (or tea, as the case may be).

I called the bookstore about a year ago, I asked for a current list of what's available from them. She told me that she would send me a copy of all the books presently available and all of the tapes/cd's/videos available. But then she added "If you're looking for something by Dr. don't bother. We no longer carry anything of his."

To me, that's amazing and stupefying - that they would no longer carry the writings of the founder and first president of the only organization that is able to rightly divide the Word *tongue in cheek*. You know, the guy without whom TWI would not have been necessary.

Or maybe they're just not making it available to us "cop-outs"?

I guess that means someday, when I get ready to sell my assorted Way books and memorabilia, I'll be able to retire off of the proceeds.

Maybe there is another issue at hand here. Are we indignant on the plagiarism of B.G. Leonard's work because of moral and ethical standards?

Yes

Or are we so worked up because we were had?

And yes.

I'm angry and indignant because I believed the lies of Victor Wierwille; that, at the very least, he was an honest, educated and diligent researcher of God's word, whose main concern was to present that word as accurately as he knew how from his years of "working the Word", and, at the very most, he was a man who had discovered a more powerful connection with God than anyone else had, who had been taught the Word as it hadn't been known since the first century church.

You know the main lesson I have learned from Victor Wierwille? All men are liars, but some men are far better at it than others.

It will take an act of God before I trust another religious person or group with my life.

And I'm not including Jesus Christ as a religious person; imho, he's the least religious person I've ever read about.

A side note: on the way out of town, the good Rev got into an auto accident because he was paying more attention to his salad than his driving.

I guess he shouldn't have mixed cars with vegetables.

Why did he need 4 individuals in the room with him? What technique is this? and why is this method often used by groups?

It's called coercion and intimidation. They are techniques of abuse. And they are often used because they work.

Until someone decides to fight back.

Last week, I was able to get hold of the reel-to-reel tapes of the AC from Rye, New York. (I'm thinking that the year was 1968).

d,

Perhaps the year was 1972? I remember seeing a picture of the Advanced Class participants when it was held in Rye that year in an old Way Magazine.

Also, I'm not sure there were enough "believers" in NY to hold an Advanced Class in 1968 (but I could be wrong about that - any of the "groovy Christians" here at GS know differently?)

Perhaps I should've just asked if anyone cares that it survives another 40 years or more?

I certainly do not, and wouldn't mind one bit if they closed shop tomorrow.

And what difference would it make if it did? There are enough "fish-eaters and bone-spitters" to make sure at least some parts of its dogma will last at least into the next century, if not beyond.

Just for the record....the saying really goes:

The DEVIL is in the details.

Dooj,

You may be interested to know the saying, "God is in the details", is a quote from Ludwig Mies van der Rohe, a famous architect of the early 20th century. I believe he also coined the phrase, "Less is more".

Assuming he gets a computer and actually learns what the term "boot up" means.....

I would be concerned he would think that refers to a peculiar and bizarre form of a n a l intercourse.

Don't do it, Craig!

The way disciples this year were sent out to the same city they were from. They had to quit their jobs. Go for training? Then they went back to this same city for six months and had to find a new job. When they finished the big "to do" was about how many people they had talked to. That was it.

That year we stayed in our limbs (and yes, I was disappointed). One of guys, we used his same old apartment he moved out of to go Way D. But he couldn't live there. We were a team, half guys half girls, team leader or whatever being one of the women. So this guy was sent across town with the other guys, and the women moved into his old apartment.

Everyone going Corps must go Way D, even if they've been Way D before.

All of the above is simply proof positive that the Way's outreach strategies are finely honed and crafted by their Department of Redundancy Department.

I went shopping with the remote in my purse accidentally on purpose.

*with a slight tremor in my voice*

Yooou arrre eeeeevvviiiiiiilllll!

We believe that our marriage is of God.

Here today we open up our hearts ...

Hmmm ... just who wrote that sappy tune anyway?

WTH,

I believe that was off the album, "The Star of the Show" by Pressed Down, Shaken Together and Running Over. Don't know which person in the band had the actual songwriter credit.

Absolutely. They make a statement, then pound on the bible and get all excited about "the anvil of God's Word."

How many times have I (and others) asked a simple queston, "show me from The Word." and leadership just does this dance where they pound with their fists and get all boisterous and start talking about "the truth" and yada yada. Rarely a clear point made.

Debt, the tithe, confrontations, are subjects I know they get upset about. Why?

Because they know it's crap! They know it! They don't need you, me or anybody else to tell them; they already know it!

But they still hang onto it because years ago, a man who was probably insane at the time made these idiotic declarations and either intimated or came right out and said this was the word and will of God.

And his sucessor won't come right out and say that it's not, because that would then throw into question and debate every pronouncement, postulation, teaching, preaching, lesson, claim of the miraculous and demand for blind dogmatic adherence and allegiance that organization has ever made - starting with its founder and including every person that has used its foundational materials to expound what they allow as "The rightly-divided word and will of God."

And the one thing that organization is absolutely not set up to withstand is question and debate.

So the minions give the assent to ridiculous policies and dogma, all the while looking for "work-arounds" to get the things they need, because they still have the belief that no one offers the "package" like the Way International, and they don't want to be outside the hedgehog of God's protection. Leadership won't tell you they're having the same problems "working" this as you, because they know "mark and avoid" is still practiced in TWI, regardless of how "kinder and gentler" it is now, and it's hellishly cold outside the walls of Zion.

How the hell have they gotten people to buy into this crap for so long? Maybe that's the key to their success.

Chatty,

Here's an Irish toast - somewhat odd at the beginning, but with a lovely thought at the end:

Here's to your coffin.....

May it be made out of 300 year oaks,

Which I'll go plant tomorrow.

A very happy birthday to you, Chatty!

is there a retemorie to get that out of mind ? ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Well, let's see...

"The manifestation of forgetfulness is your operation of the neurologically-given ability whereby you may be able to...uh...something something...by it being taken from you to, ahhh...

What was the question, again?"

:)

Friendly competition? Maybe more like a hostile takeover.

I was taught at the gulag that the quality of your prophecy depends on how much you SIT and study the Word (Kevlar's emphasis). My issue is that I am not inspired or comforted by manifestations. I receive nothing. I noone receive, what good is giving. I didn't see them as instructions or report backs on progress.

I would think it's either genuine prophecy - or it's not. As such, what's said are God's words and are not subject to quality assurance/quality control by a human agency.

Of course, if it's not genuine, you can critique it all you like. Or ignore it altogether.

But that's the Way for you - the quality and weight of your prophecy is dependent on how smart you are, how well spoken you are, how "mature in the Word" you are, how "like-minded" you are, how much you salaam the "ministry that taught us the Word".

"LaShanda, Malakasita, get y'all narrow butts over here!"

Having lived in Baltimore for quite a while, I can say that clearly there were some people naming their kids this way.

:lol: :lol:

Dad's parents were from Ireland; his cousins still live in the same house/general store/post office/farm my grandfather grew up in.

Not entirely sure where Dad's mother was from; just know her last name was Feeney.

Happy St. Patrick's Day everyone!

...we were taught that the "mannies" were never to address a specific situation but were to be general in nature.

...I don't think TWI had any special insight on the proper way to operate or understand the manifestations. It (their version of it) was really just a formalized type of ritual annointed by the "holy" powers at TWI.

I always had a vague unease about how Way leaders could define what kind of message was "brought forth" from interpretation of tongues and prophecy; kinda like stepping on God's toes. God knows what message He wants to deliver. What's next - telling you what your tongue has to sound like? We were constantly told we had to "develop" our tongue - Isn't what comes out of your mouth God's prerogative?

"Well, Kevlar, you didn't have enough "LoShantas" in your tongue - are you sure you don't have a counterfeit? And what was that about "Mala alakazam oh meet me at the tiki bar"? :lol:

Maybe it's just me, but for those of you who heard Mr. Wierwille's tongue, did it sound to you like he was saying the same words over and over and over?

Like I said, maybe it's just me. :huh:

dumb and dumber

They haven't a clue as to what God wants you to do.

Otherwise, they would be able to tell you exactly what God said to you, when He said it, and where He said it.

They would have presented it to you in a way that would have made you think, "You know, you're right - he did tell me, and I didn't follow through. I'm sorry, Lord."

At best, it's "Genuine Spiritual Suspicion"; at worst, it's unwarranted and unethical attempts at coercive mental manipulation.

Feel free to "fire" them as your spiritual overseers. Many of us did, and we are completely better off for having done it.

A "Far Side" cartoon comes to mind, in which a dog and his owner are driving away in a car; the dog sticks his head out of the window and says something like this to his buddy,

"I'm a lucky dog! I'm going to the vet to get tutored!"

All you Way Corps candidates,

Good luck getting tutored.

Before I thought it was somebody foaming at the mouth.

Now that would be a useful emoticon!

Happy belated, lindy!

Boy, I tell ya, some apple crisp would go well with this nice steaming hot cuppa joe the cafe is serving right now.

Yep, sure would be tasty.

Ummmmhmmmm, sure 'nuff. You betcha.

(where's the drool emoticon?)