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:blink: I see how things written get MISUNDERSTOOD big time. I'm just bored with the CULT topic, and lookin for a forum where folks can be more comfortable sharing whats on their mind and why they believe certain things they do WITHOUT the need for debate or judgements. I'm not leaving this forum because of being offended by anything, heck no. NO one has offended me, or done anything to cause me NOT to like this post. I'm just bored of this one and lookin for something else. I'm sure wherever I post next I'll be hearing from ya'll. Hugs Jeannette

GOSH, this one is turning out JUST like one I posted the other day, infact Sami you seem to have just copied my post and started a new one with it. Hmmm, Wondering why that was even necessary? I got mine in an email and I was satisfied to hear that there is a web site dedicated to just such legendary circumstances. :blink:

Those other books help enlighten our understanding, and still I don't think everyone believes EVERYTHING they read from a 'book' outside of the Bible. At least I'm speakin for myself. I've read books by lots of writers, not just those who wrote the Way books, and there are many Christians out there sharing things they have learned. I don't buy into every writer's philosophy of God, however. Has anyone out here in GreaseSpot land ever read any books by Bishop Spong? How about reading the excerpts from those educated of scholars who are in current debate called The Jesus Seminar? I find a great many things I've read there informative and educational and some more confusing than anything going on here. Do we classify these people as "cults"? This is my last post on here, I'm hoping for a forum that doesn't associate itself with this CULT Label System. :huh:

Most of the things I believe and simply understand -- I DID NOT LEARN IN TWI., but TWI did teach similar things that merely ADDED to my basic understanding to which I arrived on my own reading the Bible., and what others had to say about certain topics. We seem to give VPW TOO MUCH CREDIT. It matters not to me whether someone is 'trinitarian, oneness, or unitarian'. I think the thing that matters most to me is that we do not JUDGE someone who makes choices on what they do believe. For instance, when some Religious Zealot trys to call me ANTICHRIST because I do not believe Jesus Christ is GOD (Jehovah). Then I get my feathers ruffled, and my nails come out. I think God is the ultimate Judge and Jury on whether or not a person is HIS Child or Not. As to believing Jesus is God and yet not the Father, that's just a load of 'differences of opinion, and interpretation.' I think its funny how we see these groups even in here where each one of us gives our own opinions. Remembering PFAL when VPW mentioned the group of people (including Maggie Muggins) all giving their own interpretations., I have to chuckle alittle. I find it interesting and unpersuasive, tho - to read, or even listen to someone of a different opinion than mine. If we close our hearts and minds to what others have to say, we stop learning. To stop learning in my opinion is to stop living and loving. I love you all and value whatever you say even if I choose NOT to agree.

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Oh Evan but you are WRONG, my friend. The Trinity doctrine World Wide teaches that Jesus is God. That God is 'three persons in one' blessed trinity. They even got their own song. "God in three persons - blessed trinity". They (mainstream christianity) think Jesus was God come down in the Flesh., that Mary is the mother of God, and the list just goes on and on. Try denying it all you want. I was raised in a Baptist Church and I remember the 'drill' very well. I have Catholic people tell me this, too all the time. Even Evangelicals. :P

TOO COMPLICATED FOR MY MIND --- I can only simply put it this way. God had no beginning and has no end. Christ, the son of God, had a beginning!! Jesus Christ is NOT GOD, but rather the SON OF GOD. We are Joint-heirs with Christ, therefore we are his brothers. If Jesus is God, then SO ARE WE by that logic............ This is the way I think. I don't care for all the circular reasoning that is proposed by that website. I tried to appreciate it, trust me, but it has so much BS - I had no where to shovel it all..... :unsure:

I rarely obeyed those in Authority whiile in TWI when I felt it was NOT RIGHT according to my own "Walk with God", so I can honestly say "NO" I would NOT have gone that far to blindly do what some 'leader' told me to. I've always been a free-will thinker. I have to 'reap the consequences' ALWAYS for my own actions. If God spoke 'audibly' to me like VPW claims God spoke to Him. Then, and only THEN would I obey (But First I'd be questioning God to make for damn sure it was really HE whom was talking to me.) :wacko:

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Subject: Phone Call in Missouri A man in Denver, CO. decided to write a book about churches around the country. He started by flying to San Francisco, and started working east from there. Going to a very large church, he began taking photographs and making notes. He spotted a golden telephone on the vestibule wall and was intrigued with a sign which read "$10,000 a minute." Seeking out the pastor he asked about the phone. The pastor answered that this golden phone is, in fact, a direct line to Heaven and if he pays the price he can talk directly to God. The man thanked the pastor and continued on his way. As he continued to visit churches in Seattle, Austin, Green Bay, Chicago, Milwaukee, and all around the United States, he found more phones, with the same sign, and got the same answer from each pastor.. Finally, he arrived in Lebanon, MO. Upon entering a church in this Southwest area of MO., behold, he saw the usual golden telephone. But THIS time, the sign read "Calls: 25 cents. Fascinated, he asked to talk to the pastor. "Reverend, I have been in cities all across the country and in each church, I have found this golden telephone and have been told it is a direct line to Heaven and that I could talk to God, but, in the other churches the cost was $10,000 a minute. Your sign reads 25 cents a call. Why?" The pastor, smiling, replied, "Son, you're in MO. now. This is God's country...it's a local call." Course all us Texans are laughing our arsses off at this one! :lol:

Texas.. A recently retired Wheat farmer from Winnipeg went to Dallas for the first vacation he had taken in his entire working life. He checked into a downtown hotel, but when he got to his room he immediately called the front desk. The farmer said, "This here bed kin sleep the whole Cornhuskers football team! I only wanted a regular-sized bed." The clerk responded, "That is a regular size bed, sir. You have to remember that everything's big in Texas!" The farmer went to the hotel's bar and ordered a draught beer. When he was served, he said to the bartender, "This is as big as a milkin' pitcher. I only asked for a glass of beer!" The bartender answered, "That is a glass of beer, sir. You have to remember that everything's big in Texas!" When the waiter in the hotel's dining room brought out the steak the farmer ordered for dinner, the farmer exclaimed, "That steak's as big as my thigh, the baked potato's bigger 'n a watermelon, and this corn-on-a-cob's as big as a baseball bat! Where'd this come from?" The waiter replied, "It's all local, sir. You have to remember that everything's big in Texas!" When the waiter asked the farmer if he wanted to see the dessert menu, the farmer said he might be able to squeeze something in, but after consuming all that food and drink he needed to use the restroom first. The waiter directed him to go down the hall to the first door on the right. By this time, the farmer was quite inebriated and mistakenly went through the first door on the left. He walked across the tiled floor and fell into the swimming pool. When the farmer came sputtering to the surface, he yelled out, "For gawd's sakes, please don't flush!" :wacko: :wacko:

Lets see what I still operate, exercise, or use that I've learned...... hmmm I still believe in receive, retain, release. Its one of those life principles, doesn't matter that I heard it in TWI, it makes perfect sense. I still SIT (only in my private prayer life, when I'm confused about what to pray about.) I was around when they changed that phrase "believing = receiving'' to "believing appropriates receiving". I still use the 'ben franklin method' where, when you are confused on which decision to make you write the pros vs cons on a list. Rather than tithing - I've come to learn 'charity begins at home'., but I strive to do for others when the need arises and I have the ability and the means to do something. I try to keep a positive mental attitude as much as possible. NOT everything I believe for, do I receive. I know my needs are always going to be met, its the greeds that I often go without., and that can be a good thing.

How TRAGIC -- Walmart Makes the News TODAY! Police: Women Brawl Over Using Microwave TAMARAC, Fla. (AP) - A Walgreens employee allegedly stabbed a co-worker in an argument over who could microwave her soup first, authorities said. Both women wanted to use the microwave in the employee break room Wednesday afternoon, according to the Broward County Sheriff's Office. While they were fighting over who could use the microwave first, Mellesia Grant grabbed a large kitchen knife off the counter and stabbed Merloze Tilme in the abdomen, the sheriff's office said. ``They didn't get along to begin with. Who could use the microwave first became a major issue,'' Broward County Sheriff's Office spokesman Jim Leljedal said. The two women then wrestled for the knife, each cutting their hands, before the store manager could stop the fight, Leljedal said. Tilme, 20, was hospitalized early Friday in good condition, officials said. Grant, 23, of North Lauderdale was charged with aggravated battery with a deadly weapon after being treated at a hospital for her wounds, officials said. She was being held on $50,000 bond.

I get these from a dear friend of mine in Idaho and she is in her 60s. When I forget something I like to say "I had a mental Hiccup". :D In MO I have been getting 'brain freezes' of a different kind. (Not the kind ya get when eating icecream or chompin on ice.) A Texan Will Age when out of their Climate Zone. I need to get out in the SUN for some FUN. :lol:

TELL ME THIS WON'T HAPPEN TO US !!!" An elderly Floridian called 911 on her cell phone to report that her car has been broken into. She is hysterical as she explains her situation to the dispatcher: "They've stolen the stereo, the steering wheel, the brake pedal and even the accelerator!" she cried. The dispatcher said, "Stay calm. An officer is on the way." A few minutes later, the officer radios in. "Disregard." He says. "She got in the back-seat by mistake." _______________________________________ FAMILY Three sisters ages 92, 94 and 96 live in a house together. One night the 96 year old draws a bath. She puts her foot in and pauses. She yells to the other sisters, "Was I getting in or out of the bath?" The 94 year old yells back, "I don't know. I'll come up and see." She starts up the stairs and pauses "Was I going up the stairs or down?" The 92 year old is sitting at the kitchen table having tea listening to her sisters. She shakes her head and says, "I sure hope I never get that forgetful, knock on wood." She then yells, "I'll come up and help both of you as soon as I see who's at the door." "I CAN HEAR JUST FINE!" Three retirees, each with a hearing loss, were playing golf one fine March day. One remarked to the other, "Windy, isn't it?" "No," the second man replied, "it's Thursday." And the third man chimed in, "So am I. Let's have a beer." _______________________________________ A little! old lady was running up and down the halls in a nursing home. As she walked, she would flip up the hem of her nightgown and say "Supersex." She walked up to an elderly man in a wheelchair. Flipping her gown at him, she said, "Supersex." He sat silently for a moment or two and finally answered, "I'll take the soup." ROMANCE An older couple were lying in bed one night. The husband was falling asleep but the wife was in a romantic mood and wanted to talk. She said: "You used to hold my hand when we were courting." Wearily he reached across, held her hand for a second and tried to get back to sleep. A few moments later she said: "Then you used to kiss me. "Mildly irritated, he reached across, gave her a peck on the cheek and settled down to sleep. Thirty seconds later she said:! "Then you used to bite my neck." Angrily, he threw back the bed clothes and got out of bed. "Where are you going?" she asked. "To get my teeth!" _______________________________________ DOWN AT THE RETIREMENT CENTER 80-year old Bessie bursts into the rec room at the retirement home. She holds her clenched fist in the air and announces, "Anyone who can guess what's in my hand can have sex with me tonight!!" An elderly gentleman in the rear shouts out, "An elephant?" Bessie thinks a minute and says, "Close enough." ______________________________________ SENIOR DRIVING As a senior citizen was driving down the freeway, his car phone rang. Answering, he heard his wife's voice urgently warning him, "Herman, I just heard on the news that there's a car going the wrong way on Interstate ! 77. Please be careful!" "Hell," said Herman, "It's not just one car. It's hundreds of them!" ______________________________________ DRIVING Two elderly women were out driving in a large car - both could barely see over the dashboard. As they were cruising along, they came to an intersection. The stoplight was red, but they just went on through. The woman in the passenger seat thought toherself "I must be losing it. I could have sworn we just went through a red light." After a few more minutes, they came to another intersection and the light was red again. Again, they went right through. The woman in the passenger seat was almost sure that the light had been red but was really concerned that she was losing it. She was getting nervous. At the next intersection, sure enough, the light was red and they went on through. So, she turned to t! he other woman and said, "Mildred, did you know that we just ran through three red lights in a row? You could have killed us both!" Mildred turned to her and said, "Oh shoot, am I driving?"

Subject: Speed Limit Sitting on the side of the highway waiting to catch speeders, a State Policeman sees a car puttering along at 22 miles per hour. He thinks to himself, "This driver is just as dangerous as a speeder!" So he turns on his lights and pulls the driver over. Approaching the car, he notices that there are five old ladies - two in the front and three in the back of the car - wide-eyed and white as ghosts. The driver obviously confused, says to him, "Officer, I don't understand, I was doing exactly the speed limit! What seems to be the problem?" "Ma'am," The officer replies, "you weren't speeding, but you should know that driving slower than the speed limit can also be a danger to other drivers." "Slower than the speed limit? No sir, I was doing the speed limit exactly -- twenty-two miles an hour" the old woman said proudly. The State Police officer, trying to contain a chuckle explains to her that "22" was the route number, not the speed limit. A bit embarrassed, the woman grinned and thanked the officer for pointing out her error. "But before I let you go, Ma'am", the officer says, "I have to ask...Is everyone in this car OK? These women seem awfully shaken and they haven't muttered a single peep this whole time." "Oh, they'll be all right in a minute, officer. We just got off Route 119."

TempleLady How did Joseph Smith know it would be Independence MO when Independence MO was not even founded, discovered, or whatever ya call it when Joseph Smith was alive? Curious? TY. I think this is the main reason my neighbor won't sell her house and move anywhere else. She wants to be in Independence when it happens. We are trying to sell our house to move to warmer climate. Why can't Christ come to Texas? Why MO? I'm wondering why would he want to come back to a place that has SO MANY CASINOS, and CRIME? :D

Would you be so kind as to ask Peter's brother for Peter's email addy, or Snail mail addy? I would LOVE to get in touch with him. He and his girlfriend at the time I believe it was 1980, were standing with me in my 'wedding from HELL", he advised me against it, as well did Foster Smith, but I went through with it for the STUPIDEST Reason, to this day I am KICKING MYSELF, all but for the fact I have a wonderful daughter. The guy I married and I split when my daughter was only 6 months old, and he has NEVER BEEN SEEN or heard from since, and infact has avoided child support (only $100 mo, caused him to vanish from his daughter's life.) HE, too was from Springfield MA -- ever hear of Alex Leondakis? Anyway, I would LOVE to get in touch with Peter, I'm sure he would like to tell me "I told you so", or something like that. Great guy, I hope he married that gal, they were so great together. Thanks!

Templelady -- Belle you both have such beautiful hearts for God. I am enjoying getting to know ya'll. Regarding the body, soul, spirit thing. I have no problem understanding how the body goes to dust, infact I'm thankful to GOD to be able to get rid of this 'earthly body' once and for all. I have failed miserably at keeping it or getting it to be PERFECT. I think the soul is what gets resurrected, and I think after Satan is destroyed and we are back in a paradise, then we will be given NEW and IMPROVED bodies. Least I hope so. I've had nightmares, tho about this, and in my dream I get put back on the earth, then known as Paradise, and someone hands me a Mirror, and I laugh histerically. Everyone around me do not look like I imagined a perfect, beautiful body would be when I was alive before. :unsure: I was laughing cause I wasted too much time being miserable about things I had difficulty changing. (like being fat, etc.) Was kinda funny to discover (in my dream that is) that I was ALRIGHT afterall. So much for "being content in whatever state we are in"? The Walk with God, I feel, is a continual thing. If we quit learning, we quit living. I've known along time that Mormons never 'claimed all truth'. Infact I have to say I greatly admire the LDS religion for the loving way inwhich they are to others., and I especially have noticed how close knit their families are. Now we all know there are off-shoots of even the LDS faith. I have a question for you, Templelady. I have a neighbor who is LDS, but she spends most of her time in Japan as a teacher. Before she left she said something to me that has me REALLY Puzzled. For starters, I live in Independence, MO. The LDS here split into other groups, err other groups started from LDS, one is RLDS, the other The Community of Christ. They have this awesome building in our downtown my son called "the curly fry in the sky". My neighbor (a wonderful and valued friend of mine) told me that LDS believes that when Jesus returns he will set his foot down in Independence MO. (I'm thinkin, then why would I ever want to move back to Texas, if Christ is coming HERE?) Anyway she says that the Garden of Eden was discovered to have been somewhere near St. Joseph MO. But they have Casinos all over MO, and several in St. Joseph. Have you ever heard these reports in your LDS? Thank you for putting up with my various inquiries. I'm not trying to put you on any spot to get any BS feedback from others, I sincerely want to know. B)

OR perhaps do what this man did. Invent a new use for them Walmart Bags.

Belle: I totally agree with what you have stated. When I bring forth my posts I'm only writing the way I understand things I've learned. I certainly believe that we all have an individual walk with God. I also believe there exists natural man, (the one the Bible says receives NOT the things of God because they are Spiritually discerned.) When I say this I'm thinking scripture is referring to non-believers, those people with NO Godly Spirit. I also agree with Templelady: about the differences in Body, Soul, and Spirit. However I believe when we die our Spirit goes back to God (because God is Spirit and for other reasons accounted for in scripture). I believe the Soul awaits the Return, and the Body returns to dust. It really doesn't matter what I think or believe except to my own understanding of God. Regarding 'Cults', I think its a shame organizations put out books to warn others using such arguments as 'trinity or not'. I do feel groups ought to be exposed when they are taking away the Free Will of others AND are Abusive towards their members. Our nation is built on "Life, Liberty, and the Persuit of Happiness", and I believe God would have us LOVE one another (all godly people) regardless of race, or biblical convictions. I enjoy asking questions to find out 'how another person' comes to believe the things they do, tho. For years while attending a Baptist Church, it never occurred to me to find out why my grandparents were Mormans. Why it was they chose that 'organization' of people to fellowship with. I did not inquire because the Baptist Church like so many others think if your not among THEM you have not the Truth. It became that way even worse when my dad became a JW, they claim the same thing., Low and behold TWI came into my life, and I kept hearing a various version of this same thing. They justified their teachings as Rightly Divided Truth - because one man said so and said "God said it so that Settles It, whether I believe it or NOT". That is NO longer My way of Thinking. I have come to the conclusion that EVERY PERSON who wants to Walk with God needs to find the fellowship among others who are like-minded, yet I think they are Mistaken to EVER say "its our way or its hell". My personal philosophy agrees with whomever said "Religion is Man trying to reach God" "Love is God trying to Reach Man". (something like that.) I'd like to value each and every thing someone has deep convictions for. We don't all see things in the same way. Matthew, Mark, Luke and John each have different accounts of Jesus, and the color robe he wore, etc. We are all looking through different eyes of understanding. My mind has trouble with 'technical, complicated theology'., so for me I must Walk with God differently. Heck, since TWI, I really haven't had a desire to go back to 'secular mainstreem Religion'. I think its all MAN MADE anyway. I'm hoping to find somewhere, tho to fellowship with others who are somewhat like-minded. Hey Scripture teaches me that we only know in part. I've written this before, but I have plenty of questions for God. I cannot answer to another's heart towards God, just my own. I am confident in my heart that I'm a child of God, and that he loves me.

Anyone know if Lee Turner was 11th Corp? He is from Houston Tx, and his brother John was, I believe 9th Corp.

Geesh, I must be listening to the wrong people. I thought the difference between a man and a boy is how MUCH/OFTEN he plays with his Toys! :blink:

Concerning 'the spirit world, and people like Hitler 'accepting anything'. I don't buy into this theory at all because for my own Biblical Research Reasons I've come to believe: 1. When a person dies, their 'spirit' returns back to God. 2. Their body turns to Dust. 3. Their soul awaits the Return of Christ. With those three points said, the DEAD, know NOTHING and cannot make one single decision. I do not agree with 'the spirit world reference'. I can't imagine ALL dead people living in limbo or otherwise. Until the second coming of Christ, Its my understanding that the Dead are simply dead and awaiting the return. That the 'Dead in Christ' (Christians) will Rise from their graves much like Christ did., they will be raised in newness of life. BUT, its also my understanding the the Dead who are NOT in Christ when they DIED, do NOT get a second chance. After the "Dead in Christ" are risen, then those who are alive (God's people) will be caught up to meet HIM in the air and so shall they ever be with the Lord. I've read no mention (and that doesn't mean there isn't one, just means I've not read one.) -- none of any already dead non-believers or any non-believers left at the Return going with Christ anywhere! What am I missing? I do recall in my reading/research that there WILL be a Judgement for the Just and the UnJust. For the Just it is called the Bema, for the Unjust it is called, Being Cast into the Lake of Fire! I personally believe that in the Fall of Satan, there were birthed God (Jehovah's Creations) and then there are the Children of darkness (Satan's flock). IT just seems this simple to me for some reason.

What exactly do you mean by a Oneness group? Prehaps you mean UNITARIAN? Monotheistic (One God who gets worshipped) (One Son who paid the ultimate sacrifice for us, Jesus, whom we are Joint Heirs with)? I don't see THAT as denying the eternal identity and existence of the Son of God. Seems this defense.org are labeling people who do not believe in the Trinity in an unfair and in-accurate way. I think their interpretation of what THEY THINK THEY KNOW about what OTHERS BELIEVE -- to be PURE BULL S_ _ T! For one thing the JW's don't think or teach that Jesus 'collectively' is GOD. That would be (God in three persons- blessed Trinity). THEY DO NOT TEACH a three-in-one GOD. This web site you provided is just so grossly opinionated and obviously not well researched. I was among the JWs so I know what they teach, as well with TWI, and JESUS IS NOT GOD. In either of these two groups teachings, and I've gone to the UPC web site and they are clear on what they believe. Unitarians do not deny CHRIST, they just don't believe the SON is also the FATHER. The God-head bodily function much like a household where there is a father (head of the house) and children. They have their facts WRONG on so many things they 'think others believe/teach'. Its yet another attempt at a Trinitarian Organization to Blast the teachings of those who don't conform to their way of thinking. The JW's in their teaching see Jesus as a 'Great Teacher' as well as Michael the Archangel. (that one confused me.) Other Unitarians see God as Monothiestic (One God but NOT with three persons.) This organization has misunderstood the teachings of UPC an JW. Probably cause they can't grasp the concept of 'simplicity'. I don't know, but I read it and they WRONGLY Misrepresent the Unitarian Beliefs. To prove what? That the Trinity is the Divine Theory? Heck, the word Trinity isn't even in Scripture!