Danny

**** I think you have figuered it out wonder is a fisherman. And your bait is not what he/she is looking for. Or maybe wonder has a sleeper lawsuit waithing.

Maybe he just holding onto the Mog thinking, so one day he will be the man. He had a preaty good letter going except the Dr. part and the I love u twice. Seemed to me if he was in the know and not kissed the ring of TWI it would of saved a whole bunch of pain to lots of us. Where was you backbone and stood up for what was right then. And why would i think You would stand up now with ending your letter about Dr. Who the hell cares what a dead man might think. How about this for a wild thought What does God think? Jeff you might be a fine guy. Thanks but no thanks.

Dr. Hahahahahahahahahahhahahahhahaahahhahahahahahahahahhahahaha What kind of drugs are you taking? Can you say Idoltry.

are when u are 17 just starting college no friends away from home horny as hell and a beutiful girl say hi would like to come to my place

It started out with something simple like "it works for saints and sinners alike". To me thats where God got cut out and idoltry took over. Directing God what he should and should not do. Something like a sheep talking but he really was a wolf dressed up.

I think Wordwolf and Abigail hit on the real resons for this tread by oldies. What made this program the end all for peoples lives? Nothing. It was another Idol. A big one that is it was more important than life itself. Just more sh-t from the cespool of vps mind and loyboy. Why not come out and talk pubicly abount birth contol and no sex. Because it would limit the amount of victums they had. And it looks like that idol was very important to oldies. He didn't get to have that in his life. Hey oldies how did you screw up? I know of plenty of people that were dismissed for minor stupid infractions. And God forgive me that I brought some of those to lite and helped ruin peoples lifes. It was dispicable what I did. I taught at the time I was doing the right thing. And was praised by leadership for doing it. In hindsite it might of been the best thing for the different people involved. I pray they have forgiven me and the error of my ways. But this could be a whole differet tread. Hey oldies did your screw up have anything to do with sex? Oldies I know one thing for sure you never looked at a dead fetus and have your heart broken with the event of a misscarrage? And let me tell some of you women it is not only you that get hearts broken at these issues. Some us men have had our hearts broken. We morn and grive also. You dont have the corner on bad advice frome stupid devilish people. Oldies let me make it real plain what I think of vp. He was a whoremoner. he was a drunk. he was a idol worshiper. he was no man of God and never stood for God he used God for a evil system to get the plesures of life the lust of the flesh. And i pray one day the scales are lifed from your eyes to see. Your system is a broken cistern. And your idol vp will be judged before God just like me. What I read and understand his judgement will be a little diferent from mine. His doctrine still has the grips of hell in your mind.

MC glad you are here with us. Sorry you had to indure such treatment.

I think its almost sinful to let others have that crap. I wouldn't give one bufflow chip for any of it. All of my junk is in the landfill where it belongs. It was junk to start off with all stolen from someone else. Remeber that teaching every thing gives off something. U might get possesed with that stuff in your house.

You might be in a cult if you take a two week class on couseling and you think you can deal with any mental issue.

imbus non of us measures up to him. never enough money, never enough time, never enough classes. just never enough. the sonship rights really were just for him. we were second rate citzens. in twi eyes we just feel short. we were to strive to be better.

i gave my all------was one off those hot button set of words that really ....ed me off. Veepee would go off how he gave his whole life bla bla bla and i would say to my self what the F do u think we are doing here we are giveing as much as u so shut up .

Tom very simple and true. You could put in the Dr. part and so much more but I believe from the onset it was always BAD. The one bad apple that did something to the rest.

I've been thinking about something Ex10 said a few days ago, Insulting to campare TWI to a christian group. For all the good supose it did all the bad sticks out more. I was thinking of the things it should of been. Like charitable. If you showed you had a lack of something you were reproved for your negative believing, or even asked to leave.

From one bad father to a nut. That was me. OM you weren't corp what do you know? At least speak of something you know about.

OM let me ask do you really think he earned a Doctorate? You still call him Dr.. Do you really think he came up with that class? Are was it taken from someone else? Do you really think he wrote those books? Tell me what you really think he was?

Cause it would stain his little idol.

OM have you ever read or understand the word clueless.

My point was not the flat ware but she was abusive also. Yes she did some nice things but she was locked in with a bunch of nuts. Sometimes you feel like a nut sometimes you don't. She acted like a nut when it came to moving her flat ware one place to another.

Come on oldies say something. I'm sure at sometime your love will show through.

Gave to it. Saw it. Worked on it. Robed of it. It had 4 nice rooms built separate,like hotel rooms could of been used very easly without disturbing the main house.

Very good UH But when in public he was so eager to abuse others it was a lesson to all that if you did the same you would get the same treatment. So therefore you would have the coffee so so and every thing else. It was a conditioning, a learned thing that grew as time went. And he talked down to her also. Maybe it wasn't at the SNS but it was done. She loved her Gold flat ware I can asure you. I put them in the wrong place and was told by her what a f--- -- I was. They were abusers. Shi- rolls down hill. If you lived with them you would know. Great points in the replies. Where would she go what would she do if she left him. How would she suport herself and kids. How would she be treated by her peers. All of you that have divorced know these hard questions. At what exspence do you stay are leave. Being in a marriage for 28 years I understand from my vantage point. The sofa is not made to sleep on but you do what you have to, to make the next day and month and year.

Did he abuse her? Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes If someone did something of not his likeing what happened (in private and in public)? They got it with both feet. He never did wht the bible said as far as confortation. So what would you and I do to keep from being the one to get the foot? It was a mind set he laid it out he was the MOG. What he did was ok. Of couse he abused her. And she knew. She liked all the niceides of the servants around her the trips the food the money the cars. She sold her soul just like him. Put up with a little yelling and cheating for the goods. She knew what went on in the coach in the drive way. I don't know but going down the road i can see her sitting there in the front with the pig in the back with the door closed and a victom willing or unwilling. he was a wolf not a hound. I lived there to and he said a lot more than just a little hitting will do them some good. Alot of things were talked about in the motorcycle shop late at night after he drank to much. If wanted to be in the click all you had to do is be on his good side. He was abusive. Why would it not happen to his own wife?

Hell yes it was taught by VP. At PFAL live in 77 the camera person took the camera off of VP (maybe) for a second and he in front of thousands and thousands berated that person talked to them and us like we were dogs. I'm the man of god (not mine) you took the camera off me. Everone of us should of got up and left at that time. It was a lesson on abuse big time.

OM Boy will you go any lower? I think I can find in another tread where you spent the night with a girl looking for sponsorship and you said you know what we did all night. I'll pray for you because it seems you have lost your way.

I would call it blindness.