CoolWaters

Eeeeeeeeeeek!

But dooj has a point...these kids may someday be quite famous for their art...or their interior decorating...

All's quiet and well on Animal Farm with the Pigs now that more details were tortured out, an apology has been made for this one's very existence, and this one has dutifully thanked the Pigs.

That $**t is starting to get really old.

Rick

Anyway.... they say that you can increase your understanding in a variety of categories with their thirteen informative and practical teachings presented by the ever so holy staff at HQ.

Better Spelling Basics

Building an Understanding of Vehicle Purchasing

Early History of New Knoxville

The First Freedom: Religious Liberty in America

Highlights of African History and Culture

A history of the Huguenots

Ideas to Encourage Reading in Young Children

Maintaining Reliable Transportation

Making a Home-cleaning Schediule That Works for You

Powerful Paragraphs

Sola Scriptura: An Overview of the Protestant Reformation

Some Practical Aspects of Business Etiquette

The "Write" Stuff

Adding this to the WC information on Pipe's thread:

Because planning is a part of believing, the in-residence Way Corps develop skills in good, solid planning as part of their training. All of the students were involved in planning the trip to the Advanced Class at Headquarters this summer, thinking through the itinerary. They planned vehicles, food, finances, routes, and lodging.

It makes me wonder...

Didn't any of twi's current 'fellowshippers' have parents or go to high school? (Said with tongue firmly in cheek.)

Is twi becoming a combination high school/junior college?

Just received official authorization to speak.

Suda and Bow art at MCI now. Suda's flight leaves at 5:30pm Central time...so she'll probably board in a couple of hours.

I gotta tell y'all, meeting these ladies face-to-face and having such a grand time has been absolutely marvelous!

The only plans we had made were to have a room together and have dinner Saturday night at Kansas City's Savoy Grill. Beyond that, we just wanted to enjoy one another's company. In fact, we figured we'd take all our other meals at the hotel.

Well, Saturday afternoon came and we were hungry...so we went down for lunch at the hotel's restaurant...but they were closed until dinner! Waaaaaaaaaaah!

But I need never have feared, the GGGW gals were there! Suda and Bow got hold of a list of places within a few blocks of the hotel.

Suda found the perfect place for lunch! When she pointed out the place on the list, both Bow and I had such an uproarious response that everybody in the lobby gave us looks...which made us guffaw even more! LMAO!

I cannot express just how perfect Suda's selection was without the pictures, so I will have to wait. Those of you 'in the know' will pee your pants laughing for a week when you see just how good Suda did! LMAO!

We stayed at lunch so long that we nearly ran right into our dinner reservations...so we had make our reservations for later.

In the meantime, Suda and Bow are such gracious women that they were tickled to allow me to play tour guide to my Kansas City. Having grown up here, I was just as tickled to show these wonderful women my Kansas City!

Again, I cannot do justice to the tour without the pics, so I will have to wait for this, too.

Suffice it to say, for now at least, it was a great time!

It was 100 degrees out, though! So we headed back to the hotel to cool off and clean up a bit for dinner.

Since Bow and I had gone to the Savoy just a few days beforehand to make sure it was the Savoy I remembered from my youth, I knew exactly what I wanted for dinner...and, mmmmmmmmmmmm! It was all I thought it would be!

Again...gotta have the pics to express the experience fully.

(Honestly...I'm not trying to be coy or anything...it's just that Bow is such a great picture taker and has such a great eye for the perfect picture, the whole experience is not the same without the pictures. And Suda is so unbelievably comfortable in her own skin that it just takes a picture to fully express her! Me...well...a picture's worth a 1000 words...hehehe. )

I think Suda has 3 of my lighters, too. She warned me that she's a lighter thief. I didn't believe her until I got home and couldn't light a cigarette without using my souvenir matches from the Savoy! LMAO! (Oh...Bow, Suda...not those matches...NO WAY would I take one spark from that matchbook. Hehehehe!)

Since I know the area, I played navigator. As when me, Bow and her daughter were out and about in downtown KCMO, I got so involved with the conversation and the hoots and the guffaws and the music that I forgot to navigate several times. What a riot! I did get to show off a couple of extra points of interest, though, so all was not insane...I don't think...but I can't be sure...you'd have to ask the other girls...

All in all, I ended up wanting to keep these wonderful gals. They tried to explain to me that I can't keep people like one would keep pets. I just don't understand. Sigh. :D

So Suda will be on her way home in a couple of hours and Bow should be home in a couple of hours after that. Until then, here's a little hint of what's to come...

Q lives, baby!

And yet you are ASSuming what Eagle's intent was CW. From his very first post, I took it that he meant things like people trying to file charges, or lawsuits, etc. Never ONCE did I take it that he was doubting anyones word.

Also, I see you have made yet ANOTHER jab at pond about her "previous incarnation". If previous incarnations on the board are important, wanna talk about a poster who went by the name Vyctoria? Or maybe it would be better if we ALL quit bringing up peoples previous monikers, hmmm?

I would LOVE to talk about Vyctoria!!!! Have been asking and asking and asking...and the ONLY response I've received is, "You were banned the last time you tangled with THAT person."

Hmmmmm!

What do you know?

If I answer that I'd have to kill myself.

I'm sworn to secrecy...for now.

And I know what the expression 'real proof' means.

Oh gawd, Linda. It's real simple, imo...if the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

If the shoe doesn't fit, don't wear it.

I thought I was not expressing my point well enough. Then I realized that as many people got my point as didn't.

Kinda like arguing the half full or half empty question...it's just a matter of personal perspective and does not change the factual reality of how much water is in the glass.

Sometimes I get past my Duh! moments. Sometimes I don't.

QT (I hope you don't mind me calling you that...it makes me think of the word 'cutie'), I haven't properly welcomed you...so WELCOME TO GSC. I have, however, enjoyed your posts immensely...and have even quoted you once already! :)

Thank you for posting these thoughts of yours. It is difficult for me to not become emotional concerning certain subjects. I've thought these things you have said, but have not been as communicative as possible to express my thoughts. You've done quite a fine job here! TYVM

I just don't think there was any evil intent on the part of the people who are being painted with a broad brush here.

"Evil intent"? That's a pretty broad brush, there.

I believe, instead, that people just don't accept first-hand and/or eye-witness testimony as 'real proof'.

Is that 'evil intent'?

Depends on how broad one wants that brush to be...

BTW...imo, yes, a poll such as the one you have suggested would have been a much better option. Hindsight is 20/20 in this instance, though. At this point it would be adding insult to injury...imo.

But, hey, I'm not the Queen of GSC or this thread...contrary to popular opinion...tee hee...so do whatever you wanna do...it's a free community here. :)

And after all is said and done......

this seems to be another one of those posts where everything gets blown out of porportion.

the question was " Are there any documents or lawsuits" placed against VPW.

You guys just couldnt answer a simple question. You read way to much into things.

Um...NO....

The question was...and still is..."Do We Have Any Real Proof of VPW's Adulterous Affairs?"

That's NOT a 'simple' question.

What is the difference between 'proof' and 'real proof'?

In its bald simplicity, the original question of this thread inherently assumes that any proof already seen by the writer is not 'real'.

And if the writer didn't really mean to write it in such a way, the original post was:

Well, read Karl Kahler's book a couple of years back and enjoyed it. I know we have proof of LCM messing around. But I only found out about VPW after his death. Do we have any real proof of the motorcoach escapades and having TWI women report to him for sexual favors?

Not one word was mentioned about documents or lawsuits. Until, of course, AFTER people perceived (properly) the inherent assumption of the original question.

Whitewash away the intended meaning behind the original question if you wanna...hell, being in that cult taught us all how do to so quite well, tyvm...but don't expect me to follow along behind and help with the whitewash...or believe the whitewash.

In 1999 I had to hand in a travel form just to see my fiance who lived 4 hrs away....I could only see him every three wks,I had to hand in another form the day I got back so I could return there in 3 wks from my return.........nothing has changed.....

I hear a whole lot on these forums about such forms. Does anybody have a copy of such forms? I know a while back (years?) I think somebody posted a scanned copy of such a form, but I can't find it now. I'd sure like to see one...especially since the twi I was in never had any such thing...to my recollection.

So what your saying is you feel a need to have a testimony.. it is important to you

YET

you do not want to reread and be held accoutable to what you wrote .

Aha! Self-serving somethingorother somethingorother this n that whatever!

This was never about your care for people's heart.

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Dear Darlene Thelma,

Sometimes feeding the trolls gets things put where they belong...

Like down in the zoo...?

I dunno...I'm in the mood right this second.

But in about 3 seconds I'm gonna be outta the mood and off to GGGW!!!!!

WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!

In your mind. Remember that, pond.

For me, it's simpler and less painful if and when I do post something, it can be forgotten under the weight of sheer volume...and I don't have to look at it every time I come to GSC....and I don't have to think about the nastiness if I don't want to.

Just step outside of your head moment and think about this...

Nobody has to respond to anything as it is...do they?

I mean, they're not responding now...

Gawd I hope this thread ends up in the Soap Opera forum where it belongs.

Don't act so innocent, dear, and I won't get so dramatic.

Thing is, I've already said why that wouldn't be a good idea imo...makes it too easy for the creeps to make GSC about their creepiness.

I know exactly what would happen, too...'cause I did that once upon a time.

Maybe you don't remember in this incarnation of yourself, but it was not a good scene at all...not at all...and doing that painted a big target right in the middle of my avatar that said, "Here I am! Make me your scapegoat!"

And if people really truly wanted to do such a thing...

Have you ever heard of the "My Story" forum?

Yeah. That forum where people can do such a thing...and others can go read a their whim...

:blink:

then these ugly threads of who is who and who isnt would not have any question of

:what happened to individuals., and what they themselves have to say about it.

It would not have to be "rehashed at all." you could just go to the article or testimony and read it first hand from the victim .

Oh I get it now...

It's very important to make life easier for lurkers, side-show addicts, curious busybodies, manipulative and mean-spirited gossipers, and, well, just everybody ya know....

Screw those who lived through it all...

Yeah, that's the ticket...

Just screw 'em!

Again.

They'll never notice.

OM...an apology from you would count for something.

Even if you don't think you did anything to apologize for, people you need to apologize to feel that you have.

So just apologize already...if you wanna.

Otherwise, don't even offer...especially if you're gonna put all sorts of qualifiers on an apology. I have the gut feeling you're a better man than that...or at least have a better man inside of you just waiting to come out into the sunlight.

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And before you go off half-cocked about you weren't seeing/reading '1st hand stories' or some other form of dodging...

There's more....VERY MUCH MORE...this is just all I have time for right now.

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And one more that wasn't yours, but exemplifies what people are faced with when telling their stories here:

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...st&p=241747

George: The devil's still courting Rascal; he's already had you in the motorcoach and passed you on to HA. But, enjoy.

BTW, I don't recall EVER saying anything derogatory about someone's first hand accounts of sexual abuse. Go back to the threads and see for yourself. If there's something there, I'll apologize.

You asked...

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...post&p=7624

George, was that the same woman who said she was giving VPW repeated b-jobs for a couple of years? If that's the same one, all I can say is, after the first "assault" she should have ran and got out of there quick, if she didn't want to be there.

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...post&p=7613

You mention rape. I've seen no demonstrable evidence of rape...rape is a very serious crime where someone is physically forced to do something against their will. But the same here as in the plagiarism charge. VPW taught people for 40 years...if he was raping, kidnapping, detaining, drugging, etc etc. why didn't he get thrown in jail and sued over the span of 40 years? Come on. I think I heard one claim that VPW had "thousands of women". That's a lot. So if he was raping hundreds of women do you think that maybe, perhaps, possibly, one or two of those women would have called the police and had him arrested? I do. Maybe they didn't, because it wasn't.

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...post&p=7775

At the present time, I do not believe the drug/imprisonment/rape stories. Maybe someday I will, but right now I don't.

George, what does "coerced" mean? Were they drugged? imprisoned? physically forced?

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...post&p=7780

I make a distinction between harassment and rape. IMHO, harassment is where someone in power asks someone to have sex...but rape is when someone in power physically forces themselves on someone else against their will.

To the best of my knowledge, there is a legal and moral distinction between the two.

http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...post&p=7818

There are others who knew him just as well, who say the drug stories are bogus. So what does a person like me believe?

Oh gawd yes I remember her! LOL

And yes, the term was used on Laugh-In...but wasn't it coined by Mr. Wilson's character Geraldine?

You bet your sweet bippy it's FRIDAY...and in just over 5 hours I'm gonna be dancin' to the GGGW tunes!

(BTW...as an aside trivia question...one which you should know, judging by your avatar...where'd the term "you bet your sweet bippy" become coined?)