WordWolf

A lot of people remember him from "Revenge of the Nerds." This is interesting, since they refused to cast him in it after he pioneered the roles. When he asked, they said they just wanted more regular people DRESSED as nerds. (Actually, they have a point. A lot of nerds/ geeks don't fit the stereotype, present company included.) I remembered him having been in "Hamburger-the Movie", and he wasn't in THAT, either. I DO remember him from at least 1 other movie rather vividly, however, and he definitely was in it. (Besides "Grease", of course.)

John Hurt Richard Hurndall Michael Jayston Geoffrey Hughes Toby Jones Peter Cushing Jim Broadbent Hugh Grant Rowan Atkinson Paul Mc Gann Richard E. Grant Joanna Lumley

John Travolta Grease Eddie Deezen ("Eugene Felznick", the class nerd with the great pitching arm)

Although this IS a British role, it is NOT Sherlock Holmes nor anything Holmesian nor by Arthur Conan Doyle.

John Hurt Richard Hurndall Michael Jayston Geoffrey Hughes Toby Jones Peter Cushing Jim Broadbent Hugh Grant Rowan Atkinson

She played the only "Eunice" I could remember. Ok, let's see, next round, I'll need to think a moment....

Around here, that was going to be guessed pretty quickly.

Anna Paquin Finding Forrester Sean Connery

So long as he kept it under wraps, he could-and did- use that tactic repeatedly. It's blatantly manipulative, which is classic vpw when the cameras were off. The 'Zero Corps' all walked when he pulled that- so I suspect he fine-tuned his ploy by offering his "second chance" immediately the next day. That's purely speculation, however (I'm speculating he added the second chance the next day and for that reason.)

Got 2 guesses. Guess 1- CAROL BURNETT. Guess 2- Elizabeth Hurley.

Wasn't paying attention the other night. I should have gotten both Gabe Cash and Jack Burton immediately.

You recall correctly. lcm learned from vpw that you could suddenly just demand people's loyalty and kick them out if they didn't play along. vpw KNEW this was all a con, so he waited until he had the corps aside privately, then upped the ante with peer pressure and other pressures when he kicked entire corps classes out- then the next day offered to let them return if they pledged their loyalty (while basically admitting THEY did something WRONG and that's why they were dumped). On the other hand, lcm really thought this was of God, so he was sincere when he tried to do the same thing to the rank-and-file. In fact, he straight out demanded people specify they were to follow him personally and to neither pick geer, nor to say that we're not supposed to choose among men- specifying that he refused to accept "I stand with God" as a valid answer. Any leader who didn't immediately fall in line was kicked out abruptly. The letter that told NY State of the firings-by name- of pretty much all the existing leadership accused all of them of following their bellies and trying to deceive us. It was the same letter sent to other states, with only the names of the fired ones swapped. Yes, virtually all the believers left WITH them. I made sure by going to the following ROA, where I saw things for myself and went to the bookstore one last time. Having had a chance to see both sides, it was clear one was way off and the other did not appear to be- at least to a casual inspection and to all the accusations made about them. BTW, I don't know where you heard "let 'em go free" from. vpw wanted to keep everybody in and tithing and buying everything. We weren't supposed to just "cut bait"- we were supposed to keep retention up, and to get more new people. It's the reason the only "professional" training the corps actually got was the Dale Carnegie course on SALES. The highest priority to vpw to train in his program was to train the attendees to be good at SALES. Of course, he plagiarized the materials and used them illegally without paying the licensing fee. Frankly, I'm shocked he even let people know it was the Dale Carnegie course and didn't claim he learned it directly from God like he usually claimed. I agree we should all learn and should do better.

FOUR sessions on holy spirit (9-12). Everything on the cross was on how everyone else is wrong on minutiae of the crucifixion. As has been said before, if you're more focused on the crosses on the side than the one in the middle, your focus is off. Bullinger's work was used to foster an arrogance that Bullinger himself didn't push.

Actually, we're about 1 week behind on Flash and LoT (2 on LoT, actually), I'm 1 behind on Arrow's series (saw the stealth pilot), and don't really mind much spoilers of Supergirl, Batwoman, or Black Lightning. We saw Flash's "Marathon" and "Meet the Legends" and need to see anything after that.

According to vpw, it wasn't really important to even know the names of "the fathers and mothers of the faith". He mentioned a few, and a lot of them were never even named in passing. We heard more about his brother Reuben than we did about, say, Martin Luther, and we never HEARD of Zwingli. So, vpw thought they didn't count as long as they weren't actually IN twi.

[I'm ready to reply to a little more. Let's see.....] [/b] "It always bothered me the title bestowed on VPW. The father in the word was damn near blasphemy! God is our Father, not VPW." [I never liked that one, and never used that one. vpw himself started that one as well as calling himself "The Teacher." (I didn't use that one, either.) vpw claimed that whoever spoke to you so you got saved was your "father in the word" (supposedly based on I Corinthians 4:15 "15 For though ye have ten thousand instructers in Christ, yet have ye not many fathers: for in Christ Jesus I have begotten you through the gospel." After that, somehow, he changed that into HIMSELF, possibly by claiming it wasn't them, but whoever spoke to THEM and so on, with the chain ending with himself. I know there were still people speaking to that effect years after vpw died. If Ephesians 4:6 is correct in us being in unity in one Father, then claiming vpw or someone else is that (besides an obvious male parent) disunites us away from One God.] "This among other things let the fox into the henhouse so to speak. The I can sleep with any number of women I want was another one. Even if God hadn't changed, old testament people having multiple wives, that's fine, but they weren't teaching that NOR were they taking in multiple wives. The sex club was out of bounds for anything God ever said was ok. " ["Technically, all the women in the kingdom belonged to the king." vpw said that in pfal, but there was NO verse quoted for it, since the OT Law said the opposite. Then vpw quietly equated himself with "the king." vpw was trying to get people OK with that for a long time. In the 60s, when he hijacked the hippies, he'd gone to Haight-Ashbury looking for Christian hippies because he thought he'd found Christians who were ok with orgies. He pestered J1m D00p for specifics about what it was like to attend an orgy. (Jim had dropped in on one briefly, years before, and was thankful to be able to avoid them since then.) vpw then went on to tell JIm that orgies were OK with God. He said it was "available", and his spin on I Corinthians 7:1 ("Now concerning the things whereof ye wrote unto me: It is good for a man not to touch a woman.") was that it meant that God permitted a man touching a woman because it said "good" but not "best", so vpw said that meant God was ok with it. Obviously, the rest of the chapter said otherwise, but what's another lie by that point? vpw spent years setting up the framework that allowed him to maximize the chances to molest and/or rape godly women. Yes, others were needed to keep that going, and some also partook of it.] "The homophobia and purging after VPW died is also against God's Word. NO one has any scripture saying you kick "sinners" out to the curb. That goes against everything Jesus did and taught his disciples to do and nowhere does God allow that. There is a specific instance where God says to hand someone over to the adversary. But, if that's what they were justifying what did upon they were dead wrong. That scripture deals with disruptive people who are inside causing trouble and being disruptive to the body. That's not why they were throwing people out on their foot. Tbey were throwing anyone out who dared to question them about anything. " [ All the "reasons" were PRETEXTS. They kicked out anyone who was inconvenient- which is what vpw did first. They followed suit, and kicked out anyone who made waves or looked like they MIGHT make waves. I agree with you both on what they did and why what they did was wrong.]

Wild swing- "24"? Did Jack Bauer curse a lot?

The sort-of dog WAS a robot dog named "K-9". He was even in the Weakest Link charity Doctor Who special. The Doctor's "sonic screwdriver" replaced his sonic ring long ago. The "magic paper" causes people to think they see something on it, depending on what the Doctor needs them to see. "The Brig" was head of UNIT for a number of years, and the character even made an appearance after the actor's death, with his face not shown. Billie Piper played Rose Tyler, and is best known for this show but also did "Diary of a Call-Girl" among other stuff. David Tennant was Doctor Who and also played "Hamlet" alongside Patrick Stewart as Claudius (and "Old Hamlet", Hamlet Sr.)

Third Base! (Either you got it from that, or I can't help you any further. ;) )

"Who's on First?" Doctor Who didn't play baseball, but there was at least one moment on a spoof where Tom Baker stepped onto first base and shouted at the camera, "Do you get it?"

What? I don't know!!!!!

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Mike B, [You probably know that this messageboard (the GSC) exists "to tell the other side of the story." There's differences of opinions, and that's refreshing after the mental confines of parroting whatever twi insisted was the party line. So, there's Christians here (like me), and non-Christians, both of many varieties. I'm sure opinions about me from off this site sound like they're talking about 2 different people or more, depending on what the speakers care about. I'm "yes" on the Bible, but "no" on anything twi that doesn't connect to it, and I care about the truth, not making anyone happy. (That's enough to make friends and enemies for exactly the same reasons.) So, please keep in mind that I've done my best to try to learn what was true in twi, what was rumor, and so on, regardless of whether I WANTED to believe it or not. It's with that in mind that I reply to you, agreeing on some points and disagreeing on others. ] [b[I agree with this:]]/b] "Until the Way leadership repents and apologizes for it's sins, sins either by commission or omission, then I will have nothing more to do with them. " [I'll go further and say we're separated for life because they will never change twi enough to make it something I'd seriously consider rejoining.] "I believe Dr. Weirwille did teach the Truth to the best of his ability and certainly challenged each of us to prove the scriptures for ourselves." [I think we were told to prove the Scriptures for ourselves, and that is correct and important. Unfortunately, I'm convinced- beyond any reasonable doubt- that wierwille ripped off the teaching styles and materials of others, and simply re-presented THEIR work, claiming it was his own. It doesn't appear that wierwille ever actually BELIEVED the Bible. In fact, he admitted that he'd completed his entire education for ministry, and had already begun his first year as a minister, before he'd ever believed the Bible was the Word of God. Removing that as a motive, it seems that he began as a minister because he could make a good presentation and make a comfortable living and get respect for doing it. All "his" best work can be traced directly to specific authors and teachers. vpw did that and did his best to make us think that it was all the results of HIS study and communication with God Almighty and nothing else. (He said he used the Bible as his textbook and workbook, period.) He made many claims, all designed to make it look like he had a special connection with God Almighty while hiding his sources of information. PRIVATELY, he said he'd heard from God, and claimed God gave him instructions all the time. All of that having been said, I think we were actually taught a lot of truth DESPITE THAT. It was meant to ensnare us- and sometimes it did- but it was nevertheless TAUGHT.] " He said the Way never makes anybody leave, just anybody." [He also said, of "the Zero Corps" that he "gave them the privilege of leaving." vpw was not above kicking people out PRIVATELY while claiming he NEVER did it. Yes, he was a hypocrite- moreso than most people, and unapologetic about it.] "Well, the homophobic, self righteous bastard that followed him certainly dispelled that myth." [The thing is, wierwille KNEW he was conning us, so he knew where to draw the line and when to silence the microphone. He trained lcm, making him two-fold the child of hell that he himself was. lcm was convinced vpw was serving God- so he didn't know it was all a con and that there was a time to shut up. Periodically, with the corps- and thus in private- vpw kicked out all of a corps class, then turn around and offer to let them return if they rededicated themselves to twi. This almost always worked, and vpw knew he could count on those drones that stayed. Later, lcm tried the same thing with people who were NOT the corps- and this resulted in people walking away and not looking back. Yes, lcm was homophobic and self-righteous.... He was partly homophobic because he was a jock in college, and went straight from there into twi leadership full-time. He learned NOTHING in twi to dispel his attitudes, so they remained at a jock level. vpw's training of him never addressed that. It DID address self-righteousness. If anything, vpw MADE lcm self-righteous. vpw modeled the opposite of humility, and taught lcm accordingly. lcm was as much a victim of vpw as anyone else- which is why he made victims of others. Ever heard how abuse survivors often abuse others later in life? This worked the same way. vpw personally picked lcm. He did not choose him for any competency. He chose lcm because lcm never questioned vpw, but instead would have driven off a cliff at vpw's instruction. It's an awful reason to pick the leader of a Christian organization, but vpw gave that as his reason when asked once. Yes, lcm ruined many lives and has a LOT to answer for, and never went to prison despite committing crimes. However, that's NOT the whole story, so I feel a little bad for him among all this. Please consider that.] "I had a very long talk with Wanda Weirwille right after everything came out about the sex scenes. She openly admitted it was happening, unlike any of those in leadership positions. I told her I care about TWI but I can't stand in support of what leadership was doing behind closed doors. Teaching one thing and doing another is NOT okay, it's hypocritical at best and insidious. Letting the Devil in even a little bit means you've lost any legitimacy you might have ever had. " [I agree fully. vpw did it first, and taught lcm to do it. This does NOT EXCUSE lcm for doing it, he had free will and chose to do what he did. twi's "lockbox" doctrine- THEIR name, not mine- said to keep this sort of thing hush-hush, so vpw's victims were often silenced early on without further coercion. lcm participated fully in this, and bears responsibility for his own actions regardless of who taught him.] "I'm sorry but I don't see anywhere in the Word that it's ok to lead a double life, nor is it ok to yell at and berate people. Being especially good to those of the household of faith means you have to actually BE that! What Martindale did and the rest of them, and yes, even VPW is not something that is tolerable in least sense. Excusing it is even worse." [There's some who claim it's evil for us to expose what vpw and lcm did- but those same people are not outraged that they did it. To them, it's worse to expose vpw as a plagiarizing rapist who drugged women than for him to have drugged and raped the women. I'm NOT exaggerating.] "I entered the Way when I was completely lost. I was healed by the Word. I thought we were surrounded by good men and women. I never put my faith in man, my faith is and always remained having my faith in God. " [I'm with you there, but some people are not, and that's ok. They're free to disagree, and we ALL have a "right to be wrong". We all bear responsibility for our decisions, and, frankly, I prefer it that way.] " I believe we were taught more Truth than any other organization on the planet, and I still believe that to be true. " [Due to vpw plagiarizing some quality Christians, I believe we were taught some Truth while in twi, but not everything we were taught there was Truth or truth. Furthermore, there's plenty of quality Christians who've never heard of twi, vpw, or anyone connected with twi. vpw did his best to put forth that himself was some great one, that ALL the quality teachings he had were from him, and that all Christians everywhere else were flawed and INFERIOR to twi Christians. I believe all of that was error- to say the least. The idea that God wasn't relying solely on a plagiarizing rapist to get things done is rather comforting- and rather sensible, IMHO.] "There were faults that crept in, having superiority complexes for a start, perpetuated over and over again, especially by Craig Martindale. Of course VPW did that as well, anyone born again is of the household of faith, not those just in the Way." [For twi, that's awfully subversive. ;) Christians being equal is repugnant in twi and to twi. Yes, arrogance and superiority was taught in twi as a matter of course, and the top cadre- with vpw and lcm leading- were generally the worst at it.] I'll reply to the rest later, but that's plenty for now. I hope you're well and are in touch with some Christians who won't do to you what twi did to us.

Ok, this show had quite a supporting cast over the years. Characters included: Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart, Ian Chesterton, Barbara Wright and Dodo Chaplet, Amy Pond, Rory Williams, Clara Oswald, Rose Tyler, Dorothy Gale 'Ace'McShane, and Micky Smith, plus one dog, sort-of. In the "clever gadgets" category, this show also had a gadget ring that was replaced and generally forgotten, and some sort of magic paper that's often forgotten. Its wardrobe changes are probably as well known as anything else, to the more casual viewer. (The main character changed entire wardrobes multiple times, for good reason.) BTW, Alistair Gordon Lethbridge-Stewart was also known simply as "the Brig." Most of the actors of this show are known PRIMARILY because of this show, with a few exceptions. One also played Hamlet. Guests include John Cleese, Meredith Viera, and Diana Rigg. Billie Piper also is best-known for this show, but not exclusively for it. -There was some discussion about the possibility of crossing this show over with "Star Trek." I have no idea why they thought ST would go along with it. Quotes ABOUT the show, not quotes FROM the show.... "It's all about the triumph of intellect and romance over brute force and cynicism! Intellect and romance over brute force and cynicism! And if there is any hope for any of us in this giant explosion in which we inhabit then surely that’s it: Intellect and romance triumph over brute force and cynicism!" "He's just really unlikely as a hero — which makes him so brilliant, I think, because he's like this mad professor."

"Who's putting coffee grounds in the disposal? Am I running a bed-and-breakfast for a biker gang? Oh, that's Charles Spencer by the way. He's a great kid. Computer engineering degree. 3.6 GPA. Had a floor-level gig at Intel planned for the fall. But first, he wanted to put a few miles on his soul, before he parked it behind a desk. See the world, maybe be of service. Charlie didn't want to go to Vegas or Fort Lauderdale, which is what I would do. He didn't go to Paris or Amsterdam. Sounds fun. He decided to spend his summer, building sustainable housing for the poor." Stark, at the Avengers Compound, talking about a kid who was in Sokovia and died during the Ultron attack. "An empire toppled by its enemies can rise again. But one which crumbles from within? That's dead. Forever." Baron Zemo. "Oh, you're going to have to take this to the shop." "Who's speaking?" "It's your conscience. We don't talk a lot these days." Ant-Man, inside the Iron Man armor, doing damage, and chatting with Stark via radio. Stark & Friday flushed him out with fire-retardant foam. Gave me flashbacks to the Iron Man issue where Ant-Man entered the armor to save Iron Man. (IM had knocked out the Hulk by overloading the armor, and fused the mobility network. Ant-Man entered the armor to trigger the release so IM could breathe regular air again and get out of the armor. Ant-Man ran afoul of the flame-retardant foam in one place, and needed to access it in another to cool down an overload. I'm tempted to take it out and read it again, except I have it 1/2 memorized. "When you can do the things that I can, but you don't. and then the bad things happen, they happen because of you." Spider-Man. "Clearly retirement doesn't suit you. Get tired of playing golf?" "Well, I played 18, I shot 18. Just can't seem to miss." Tony and Hawkeye. "Hey, man!" " What's up, Tic-Tac?" "Uh, good to see you. Look, what happened last time was... " "It was a great audition, but it'll... It'll never happen again." Ant-Man and Falcon, about what happened last time they crossed paths- in the Ant-Man movie. "Vengeance has consumed you. It's consuming them. I am done letting it consume me. Justice will come soon enough." "Tell that to the dead. " "The living are not done with you yet." T'challa (the Black Panther.) "Anybody got any orange slices?" Ant-Man, right after the Giant-Man stunt. "She said, "Compromise where you can. Where you can't, don't. Even if everyone is telling you that something wrong is something right. Even if the whole world is telling you to move, it is your duty to plant yourself like a tree, look them in the eye, and say, 'No, you move'."" Sharon quoting Peggy Carter. The speech is actually something Cap said in a comic. Meanwhile, back to Raf's turn. He posted something.