WordWolf

I never saw that book, but the book "God's Word in Culture" had a chapter that limited the view of the art world as well. Seems straight lines and corners were evil. (I thought they had a point about a character's eyes being in shadow, but having said that, so what?) In wayworld, you are expected to be able to trash ANYTHING not produced IN wayworld- classic art, classical literature, technology, movies, television, radio, magazines, newspapers. My personal favourite was a criticism of untouched wilderness in Utah. "Everything is so out of order here- God would have never created such an irregular and desolate landscape. " But no, I've never heard of the book you mentioned before you mentioned it. That's why I left the thread alone-I didn't want to dilute it with discussions of a different book.

Correct. There were a few quotes from when the Esteban the Alcalde (Mayor) was conferring with Diego Vega(the injured, real Zorro) when someone passed by- Ramon Vega/Bunny Wigglesworth (the substitute with the flashy wardrobe.) Esteban stopped him, as Diego improvised, saying it was Brother Ramon, a travelling priest. Esteban asked which order prompted colourful robes (his orange cape.) Ramon replied the dressmaker line. As Ramon almost slipped away, Esteban shouted after him. "PADRE! Pray for me, that I will soon catch this Zorro." The resulting prayer-with them repeating (plus one mistake) after him-was one exchange I'll never forget. A different scene took place when Esteban's wife wanted a masqued ball to show off her new necklace. Esteban refused, saying that Zorro would HAVE to show up and steal it- then realized it would be a perfect trap. Ramon slipped in disguised as a woman, and Esteban began flirting with "Marguerita", and bought her flowers (the florist confused the order, and gave him 4 daisies.) And the line you recognized was one of the Alcalde's men- reporting to the Alcalde after Diego and his servant stopped him from oppressing a peasant. Diego was dressed as Zorro (as a Halloween costume, but using the real costume), and his servant supposedly as a bear-but NOBODY thought he looked like a bear. This soldier reported in with this description. Go, George!

It had LITTLE mention of it, IIRC. The only one that really devoted space to it was the "Encyclopedic Handbook of Cults and Sects in America." Gave it a pretty fair shake, too. It skipped just about all the wild 3rd-party made-up claims and everything.

Neither Monty Python nor Zoolander. "We are followers of Peter the Dressmaker- he who was Christ's tailor." "Oh, heavenly Peter," "Oh, heavenly Peter." "He who sews and knits," "He who knits and sews." "That we may follow in his fashion." "That we may follow in his fashion." "Help this simple, inane man," "Help this simple, inane man" "Find what he seeks." "Find what he seeks!" "For Marguerita!" "Four Margaritas." "He was accompanied by a hideous dog."

The largest number of people at any one time in twi was about 30,000. There were about 100,000, worldwide, who signed up for pfal. That includes those who never made it to Session I, those who made it to Session I but did not make it to Session 12, and those who completed Session 12 but were gone within the next 3 months. Maybe 1/3- 1/2 the people I ever met personally in twi had faded within 3 months of Session 12, whether or not they made it that far. twi was fond of obscuring its numbers whenever possible to appear larger, all through its history. 30,000 is not a monumentous number, but 100,000 was enough to get people's attention, especially when someone claimed it was "the fastest-growing cult" at some point. That was probably true in the H33fn3r/D*op era, but not true a few years later, except locally in a few places, for time periods of about a year. Of course, that partly backfired, when "followers" had to deal with the easy panic of people worried that twi was going to subvert all their teenagers (like those evil commies or those possessed D&D players). That, in and of itself, was a windfall for twi, since it gave them something to "brag" about, causing a panic, but it was a problem for the individuals. Not that this bothered twi any-individuals have always been DISPOSABLE in twi, and vpw himself began that proud tradition. Getting back to the CURRENT numbers, twi had tried hard to get people to associate the number "5000" with them currently. It's a fiction. The number "5000" supposedly referred to the number of people on-grounds for some anniversary, when everyone within a 250-mile radius who could be convinced to show up walked in. That included family, neighbors, etc. The number "5000" supposedly was the highest estimate around 2000 AD of members worldwide, which included all children. That meant the number of adults at the time was 2000-3000 worldwide. Since that time, the total number of members, of course, has been dropping steadily. We know that because plenty of posters HERE left within that timeframe. That means current numbers of adults is below 2000, and that perhaps 2500-3000 includes the children currently. I don't expect that number to change radically over the next few years, since they've pretty much run off everyone who is capable of developing independent thought. They'll still lose seniors through attrition, since they consider them "dead weight", and youngsters as they learn there is life outside twi, where free thought counts for something. twi now is a little like those fringe-groups that spun off Mormonism, and hide in the hills, still practicing polygamy. People in the group grow and learn once they are exposed to the outside world.

CORRECT. What made this tricky was the specific lyrics. The Pet Shop Boys released 2 songs that didn't chart so well, then later re-released them, with marked improvements in their charting. (The other was "Opportunities".) The lyrics I posted were from the original, which included some lines the later, more famous version, did NOT include. So, "I've said it all before, I'll say it all again: We're all modern men" was from only the original. "We've got no future, we've got no past Here today. Built to last In every city, in every nation From Lake Geneva to the Finland Station" was from both. "You've got a heart of glass or a heart of stone, Just you wait 'til I get you home" was from both. "All your stopping, stalling and starting, Who do you think you are- Joe Stalin?" was from the original. To make matters worse, the later version mixed up the order of the lines that remained, so "Finland Station" was the closing line, whereas the original ended with a repeat of the opening lines- "Sometimes you're better off dead-there's a gun in your hand and it's pointed at your head." ======= GO, Raf!

I'm sure it is. And it was a GREAT line. :)

The largest number of people at any one time in twi was about 30,000. There were about 100,000, worldwide, who signed up for pfal. That includes those who never made it to Session I, those who made it to Session I but did not make it to Session 12, and those who completed Session 12 but were gone within the next 3 months. Maybe 1/3- 1/2 the people I ever met personally in twi had faded within 3 months of Session 12, whether or not they made it that far. twi was fond of obscuring its numbers whenever possible to appear larger, all through its history. 30,000 is not a monumentous number, but 100,000 was enough to get people's attention, especially when someone claimed it was "the fastest-growing cult" at some point. That was probably true in the H33fn3r/D*op era, but not true a few years later, except locally in a few places, for time periods of about a year. Of course, that partly backfired, when "followers" had to deal with the easy panic of people worried that twi was going to subvert all their teenagers (like those evil commies or those possessed D&D players). That, in and of itself, was a windfall for twi, since it gave them something to "brag" about, causing a panic, but it was a problem for the individuals. Not that this bothered twi any-individuals have always been DISPOSABLE in twi, and vpw himself began that proud tradition. Getting back to the CURRENT numbers, twi had tried hard to get people to associate the number "5000" with them currently. It's a fiction. The number "5000" supposedly referred to the number of people on-grounds for some anniversary, when everyone within a 250-mile radius who could be convinced to show up walked in. That included family, neighbors, etc. The number "5000" supposedly was the highest estimate around 2000 AD of members worldwide, which included all children. That meant the number of adults at the time was 2000-3000 worldwide. Since that time, the total number of members, of course, has been dropping steadily. We know that because plenty of posters HERE left within that timeframe. That means current numbers of adults is below 2000, and that perhaps 2500-3000 includes the children currently. I don't expect that number to change radically over the next few years, since they've pretty much run off everyone who is capable of developing independent thought. They'll still lose seniors through attrition, since they consider them "dead weight", and youngsters as they learn there is life outside twi, where free thought counts for something. twi now is a little like those fringe-groups that spun off Mormonism, and hide in the hills, still practicing polygamy. People in the group grow and learn once they are exposed to the outside world.

That episode is called 'The First Duty.' The title almost certainly comes from an exchange between Picard-who deduced what happened after the Enterprise crew investigates on their own- and Wesley Crusher, pilot in Nova Squadron, covering up their attempt at the very dangerous- and very outlawed- Kolvoord Starburst. "The first duty of every Starfleet officer is to the truth, whether it's scientific truth or historical truth or personal truth! It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based! If you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth about what happened, you don't deserve to wear that uniform!" BTW, on that quote, I think Locarno (played by Robert Duncan MacNeill, who later plays Tom Paris) was right-Picard gave Wes a grand speech. Starfleet is more said to be guided by the "PRIME DIRECTIVE" than some appeal to "truth". That's why it's called the "PRIME" directive, not the "strong suggestion." Go, hiway29.

"Oh, heavenly Peter," "Oh, heavenly Peter." "He who sews and knits," "He who knits and sews." "That we may follow in his fashion." "That we may follow in his fashion." "Help this simple, inane man," "Help this simple, inane man" "Find what he seeks." "Find what he seeks!"

"I've said it all before, I'll say it all again: We're all modern men. We've got no future, we've got no past Here today. Built to last In every city, in every nation From Lake Geneva to the Finland Station" "You've got a heart of glass or a heart of stone, Just you wait 'til I get you home. All your stopping, stalling and starting, Who do you think you are- Joe Stalin?"

New episode. "It is the guiding principle on which Starfleet is based! If you can't find it within yourself to stand up and tell the truth about what happened, you don't deserve to wear that uniform!"

Let's see. How about this one.... The Klingons had announced an invasion of Cardassian space, and the Defiant was on its way to Cardassia Prime to evacuate the Detapa Council before they could be used as hostages. And Garak was THINKING an unkind comment about prune juice.

Will Smith Men in Black Tony Shaloub

[Most of the reason for that not being prevalent is the "no duh" nature of that sort of thing. If you love your neighbor as yourself, you will not lie to your neighbor, nor lie about your neighbor. What you will say will be true. If the person did you much evil, then it is NOT wrong to say they did you much evil. (Scroll up; it's in the Epistles.) However, it is EXPECTED that all Christians mature to the point that they themselves are able to distinguish between the right hand and the left. Hebrews 5:12-14 12For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat. 13For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe. 14But strong meat belongeth to them that are of full age, even those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. ] [interesting philosophy. So, are you saying it's perfectly acceptable to lie aboutothers, deceiving yourself and others about them? If that's your belief, that explains a lot.] [if that were true, then thinking evil is the path to Christ, for if it is ONLY option for the non-Christian, by definition it is the option that takes them to being born again, since some non-Christians DO become Christians, and thus born again. Since your definition straitjackets thoughts into this tiny box, this same definition MUST apply to their life up to redemption and how they get there. Confessing Jesus as Lord and believing God raised him from the dead are deliberate decisions.] [And as long as one remains convinced they have THE Truth, they will forever be blinded to truths more cogent than those they've learned. They will remain bottle-fed for life, and eschew "strong meat" as "high-faluting" or "overly intellectual" or "evil." If it doesn't fit on a bumper sticker, it's obviously wrong, to such a person. Pity. ]

Star Trek: Generations James Doohan Star Trek VI: the Undiscovered Country

Either the Klingons attempted to invade the station, or Garak made an unkind comment about prune juice. Was that it? (The former, not the latter.)

Ok, this is a little tricky, but I trust everyone to remain on the Honor System. "You've got a heart of glass or a heart of stone, Just you wait 'til I get you home. All your stopping, stalling and starting, Who do you think you are- Joe Stalin?"

James 2:15-16 " 15If a brother or sister be naked, and destitute of daily food, 16And one of you say unto them, Depart in peace, be ye warmed and filled; notwithstanding ye give them not those things which are needful to the body; what doth it profit?"

Man, I knew the answer last week, but I'm blanking on it right now. It's obviously an exchange between Worf and Elim Garak, DS9. WHICH exchange is eluding me at this moment...

I don't know how I missed seeing this one. This was Dr Frahnkensteen's portentuous speech just before the lightning "experiment" in "YOUNG FRANKENSTEIN."

Ah! My brain finally kicked up the answer on this one! "RIDERS ON THE STORM", by the Doors.

[The New American Standard Bible is the one Bible in English that combines the advantages of the KJV (availability plus the italics) with the advantages of the RSV and NIV (clear language and improvements from the last 50 years). Picture the advantages of the NKJV taken further.] Can't even spell the other versions.... Somehow it seems hard to picture that you actuallyknow about the other versions, let alone can compare and contrast them. vpw himself made fun of this type of thinking, and mocked the people who supposedly claimed that the "NIV was good enough for the Apostle Paul, so it's good enough for me." Switch the letters "KJV" for "NIV" and you're demonstrating the SAME errors vpw mocked.] [if you understood 1/2 what you thought you did, you'd see that rattling off the syllables is far from understanding the meaning of the words, let alone demonstrating them. In this thread alone, you've shown us that you can think evil while telling us it's easy to understand we're supposed to not think evil. Usually it's the young that masters this level of naivete with this level of polarization. (Not always, but they're the usual artists of this type of error.) ] [That sits there just like a diamond.....]

Volunteering to demonstrate to us how far even the vpw-supporters have come, greg123 has offered us his perspective on what to use for study and research. "That is what the KJV says, the only version that is right."

The following has all been posted by the same poster, on this same thread... "When you get to the place in your heart and mind, where evil doers no longer exist. Thinking only the best of people, manifesting the renewed mind. At this point you have mastered the true definition of charity." "In our reflection of Love towards one another. We must show non believers the Joy we have with the word. Being tender hearted and forgiving, while rightly dividing God's word." "ICOR 13:5 Thinketh no evil" "Which spirit are you being guided by??" "Since you attacked the source by not be guided by the spirit the question is a true question no attack involved. The question was pointed at you there was no attack. The question should have a answer, but if you don't feel up to it I understand just tell the Devil Hi for me Greg" Well, so much for actually setting an example and practicing what you preach....