WordWolf

No.

The only movie that would be THAT obvious would be "Rocky"...

Is this "On the Waterfront"?

Ok, next one.

"Did the table do something wrong?"

"No."

"I'm glad you weren't that hard on Ensign Lopez."

"He made a mistake. The duty roster was inaccurate."

"Would you like to talk about what's bothering you? Or would you like to break some more furniture?"

Who was the psychopath- Liquidator Brunt?

So, let's see if I can put together a profile of what happened,

as someone who missed all the real persecution,

based entirely on the posts at the GSC, and some elementary

Psychology and Sociology:

First, the young and impressionable are sent off to twi's locations for 4 years.

There, they learn blind obedience to the mog and moglets.

They learn to snap out answers to questions based on twi books,

and that success comes from confrontation, and keeping your boot on someone's neck,

ruling by fear, and that inculcated by someone "finding problems" in your life,

even if they had to INFLICT those problems or make them up.

They learn that higher-ups demand menial labour from lower-downs.

They're also taught that leadership consists of wearing a suit, flourishing a title,

pretending to know it all and covering up ignorance with shouting and

attacking any witnesses using the fear principles,

and otherwise giving orders to be obeyed unquestioningly like THEY did,

and receiving the Chief Seats and perks of office.

Upon graduation, Mr Leader then is sent to some location with humans.

There, he arrives and begins barking orders.

His attempts to get to know people have NOTHING to do with service,

but rather with establishing his rulership- either by establishing who's

boss, or with "finding" problems and intimidating people into agreeing he

found problems and solved them.

He enjoys the perks of his office- which consist of demanding menial labour

from others- babysitting, household chores, all kinds of stuff.

Refusal to perform manual labour when "asked"/ordered is dealt with by

use of intimidation and the fear principles.

Either locals cooperate, or they do not.

If they cooperate, everything plays into their plans.

If they do not, then locals either leave and are slandered,

or punishment is attempted to get them to fall in line.

Those who accept it and fall in line serve as examples of what happens

to those who don't, who are socialized to avoid confronting these scum.

Those who refuse it are kicked out, and are slandered.

This is then used as examples of what happens to those who didn't

rebel, and who are socialized to avoid confronting these scum.

Sound familiar?

I bet some of you have specific incidents and names that sprang to mind.

Evil performed in God's name is hardly new or revolutionary,

but the SPECIFIC names change continually throughout all of recorded history.

Let's see, child, moron, failure, psychopath, as viewed by someone else...

Ensign Nog, Engineer Rom, Quark?, but I forget who the psychopath would be....

Was this the episode where a handful of them tried to rescue Grand Negus Zek

from the Jem'Hadar?

Thanks kindly.

I knew I was just looking in the wrong place...

Moderators, where do I find the "block poster" setting?

I know we've had the setting for years, but I've never run into a poster who was completely

devoid of content in their posts before, who kept posting,

and I'd like to read around them and read the content of the other posters.

Please remind me where the control for that is- I didn't find it just now when I was looking...

"Plenty of girls and bands and slogans and lots of hoopla, but remember, no politics. Issues confuse people!"

"I'm called Little... Buttercup... Poor Little... Buttercup... Though I could... never tell... why..."

"Let's make tracks!"

"The only tracks you'll be making are straight to the penitentiary!"

"For the 2nd time, let's make tracks!"

"The only tracks you'll be making are straight to the penitentiary!"

"Some sort of delayed echo in here?"

"Belgravia's such a small country. We'd beat them in a few hours."

"Yes, and then we'd have to support them for years."

"No thank you. I never use tobacco in any form."

"That's the first time I've ever heard a cat purr in French."

" 'Ghoti' is 'fish'?

"See here. English phonetics. GH becomes F, as in 'tough' or 'laugh'. O becomes I as in 'women'.

TI becomes SH as in 'ration' or the word 'nation'."

"Boy! That was our closest call ever! I have to admit that I was pretty scared!"

"I wasn't scared in the least."

"Not at all?"

"Haven't you noticed how we always escape the vicious ensnarements of our enemies?"

"Yeah, because we're smarter than they are!"

"I like to think it's because our hearts are pure."

"Gosh, Economics is sure a dull subject."

"Oh, you must be jesting, Dick. Economics dull? The glamour, the romance of commerce... Hmm.

It's the very lifeblood of our country's society."

I think I know the team, but I'm trying to remember why they teamed....

I'm sure I'll remember soon....

Next time you see the movie, make a note of the names of the boxers mentioned in the begining.

DD's dad was Battlin' Jack Murdock, and he was a small-time boxer who got in trouble when some criminals

wanted him to throw a fight, and he didn't.

Anyway, there's a number of boxers mentioned in the beginning- they're all names of Marvel comics

staffers. The marquee also shows the match between John Romita and Jack Murdock.

John Romita- both Jr and Sr- were longtime artists at Marvel, and fairly well-known.

Back in the 80s, artists occasionally snuck into the art in Iron Man, t-shirts for the "JR Jr Fan Club."

In the scene when that stick is being examined (I think it's that scene), one of the characters is named

Quesada- no relation to Joe Quesada, current Editor-in-Chief (and head windbag, second only to

DC's own Dan DiDio in empty bluster and talentless self-promotion.)

Stan Lee's "Where's Waldo" moment comes when young Matt Murdock stops someone from crossing the

street against the light- that was Stan Lee with the newspaper.

My one complaint was Matt Murdock-with superenhanced hearing- comes home and blasts his radio.

Shouldn't that be the same as someone with normal hearing with one of those huge concert speakers

up to the ceiling, and turning THAT up?

The story- Elektra & Bullseye especially- was taken from when Frank Miller wrote DD, and that's the

best DD, IMHO, ever written (early 80s, and all DD is compared to that.)

They even had Bullseye recite the line "You're good, but me? I'm magic" before dealing the fatal blow.

You got me. It drew from the best source material available,

with one exception, it was pretty faithful to it,

had a good script, good casting, successful action scenes,

and a good soundtrack.

Despite my own reticence on adaptations, I thought it was great.

I'll pass along the inside joke they snuck in once the movie's named.

(snip)

First of all, the past is the past. Leave it there. If you cursed God or hurt your neighbor, ask God for forgiveness. If you are Catholic, Lutheran, Episcopal, Orthodox, or Coptic, go to confession. Otherwise, do whatever your belief system calls on you to do.

Accept the Divine Mercy of God. Allow Him to forgive you (and believe me, that is a lot harder than it sounds)

And move on.

But then resolve within yourself to not let somebody else control your mind...and therefore control your actions.

Resolve to verify what you hear in the news. Resolve to verify what you hear in church. Resolve to verify what you hear from a friend or relative.

You know the Catholics, in the "Act of Contrition" prayer, have one phrase that is particularly applicable: to avoid the near occasion of sin.

What it means is that, if you can at all control the circumstances, don't put yourself in the situation that can result in the sin.

e.g.,

If you have a drinking problem, stay away from booze.

If you have a sex problem, stay away from porno and singles bars.

If you have an aggressive driving problem, change your commute times.

If you have a child abuse problem, don't be alone with a child.

If you have a murder problem, get rid of the guns in the house.

If you have a brainwashing problem, stay away from cult meetings and classes.

and so on.

(Of course, we know that not everybody follows the above simple advice about the near occasion of sin)

Hope the above helps.

I thought this bore repeating.

Want to give them one more line, or should I go for it?

Glad you won't spoil the fun....

" Most Americans don't realize what we owe to the ancient Incas. Very few appreciate they gave us the white potato and many varieties of Indian corn."

"Now whenever I eat mashed potatoes, I for one will think of the Incas."

"Am I ever glad I take good care of my teeth!"

"True. You owe your life to dental hygiene."

"He's from Philadelphia."

"How did you know?"

"You dipped your diphthong. People from Philadelphia are known for that."

"Would you like to come in for a glass of milk and cookies?"

"I'm afraid it's rather late. Why, it's 10:30!"

"What is it that no one wants to have yet no one wants to lose?"

"A lawsuit!"

"Correct!"

"Did you hear about Greta Garbo? She dreamed one night she sprinkled 6 boxes of grass seed in her hair, and woke up moaning: "I vant to be a lawn!"

"...give yourself up. We can get help for you... medical help!"

"In prison? This, I do not believe. No, you must PAY for what you did to me, for forcing me to live like this:

never again to know the warmth of a summer breeze, never to feel the heat of burning logs in vintertime!

Revenge. That is what I need! Revenge! I will have revenge!"

"The junior prom's coming up, isn't it?"

"Yes, but... "

"Well, we don't want you to be a wallflower, do we? Dancing is an integral part of every young man's education."

"Where do you come from? Where do you go?

What is your scene? Baby, we just gotta know!"

"Are you a chick who fell in from outer space,

Or are you real with a tender warm embrace?

Yeah, whose baby are you?"

Well, I couldn't find any good quotes for the Banana Splits, so here's something else.

" Most Americans don't realize what we owe to the ancient Incas. Very few appreciate they gave us the white potato and many varieties of Indian corn."

"Now whenever I eat mashed potatoes, I for one will think of the Incas."

"Am I ever glad I take good care of my teeth!"

"True. You owe your life to dental hygiene."

"He's from Philadelphia."

"How did you know?"

"You dipped your diphthong. People from Philadelphia are known for that."

"Would you like to come in for a glass of milk and cookies?"

"I'm afraid it's rather late. Why, it's 10:30!"

Knowing this set of posters, I imagine someone's already got it!

(Although I'm confident I'd need another set if I were guessing.)

I still say that if, as the religious pov says, the conscience is a built in hot line to God that everybody is born with that always knows right from wrong, then Christ's sacrifice was unnecessary, which is obviously wrong. Conscience is a function of the mind triggered by regulation or violation of our habit patterns. We CALL it conscience when those habit patterns involve a moral issue, but the conscience functions also on non moral issues.

And I say that to say to disregard the conscience categorically is a foolish thing and makes no more

sense than to feel physical pain and to disregard that..

(And don't tell me some people weren't told to disregard THAT at twi- that's the kind of nonsense that

someone, somewhere, was espousing. "You're confessing negatives, that you're not healed...")

(snip)

The idea that there is a built in right from wrong indicator that everybody has access to is just a "convincing sounding argument" that some people use to control other people. It can happen in religion, psychology, and any other belief system with a premise.

And the OTHER idea-that a conscience is simply a noise, a distraction, something to be disregarded

and IGNORED is a dangerous doctrine, designed to leave one open for any

"convincing-sounding argument"- like how God wants you to ignore your conscience completely,

and obey the leader when HE says one thing and your conscience says something other

(rather than evaluating both positions logically.)

This idea that the only 2 possible positions are

1) trust your conscience 100% and ignore logic

and

2) ignore your conscience and trust only logic

is a False Dilemma.

The truth of the matter is that the conscience is a warning indicator, to point out dangers and pitfalls.

Can the conscience mis-identify? Sure. That's why you add THINKING to the system.

Not adding thinking is just plain silly.

DISMISSING the conscience and only going by logic- and, to be honest, external arguments-

is to deny one warning system that alerts even when a threat hasn't been fully articulated.

Without it, you're prey to any convincing-sounding argument.

Must be "Prophet Motive."

Must be.

Grand Nagus Zek tries to re-write the Rules of Acquisition,

maybe due to Moogie's influence?

George

No, you forgot to account for the title.

Grand-Negus Zek got ahold of one of the Bajoran Orbs of the Prophets.

When he tried to see the future, the Prophets saw into him, didn't like what they saw,

and "improved" him, making him a generous Ferengi.

Whiteside's book (which I still have SOMEWHERE) was more about visual art than

about written compositions of any format, page for page.

Whiteside's book was also about how to evaluate art to make sure it lined up with twi theology.

That's why it included an example: a piece of art, and a critique of why it was considered

spiritually "off"-

the rigidity of the lines (the dancers' legs, and how they boxed in the violinist)

and the darkened eyes (the violinist's eyes were done in black)-

and how that makes a difference spiritually.

I believe I bought that in 1988.

======

That book, BTW,

was the apex of twi's foray into determining good and evil in art,

from an intellectual perspective. It all goes downhill from there.

For example, at ROA '89, after 4/5 of all twi members walked,

there was a twi seminar on "the Word and writing".

Was it an exposition on this very subject?

No-it was entirely about "how to submit articles for the way magazine."

Some people may consider it a complete coincidence that nearly the entire

research staff of twi had just left, and twi was now pushing for all literate

members to send in articles for printing. Some people may also consider

it a complete coincidence that the "gmir" articles (the actual study items)

had ended, and articles now had LOTS of BIG graphics and many pictures,

almost as if they needed to stretch out the articles to fill an issue.

Some of us would NOT consider those complete coincidences.

(snip)

Linking conscience and logic together reminds me of similarly linking grace and truth together; too much grace without truth is licentiousness, and too much truth (or what is being sold as truth) without grace is legalism. In balance, it is good. The Love and Logic materials used as discipline guidelines in many schools is a modern-day version of that balance.

(snip)

That's how I'm seeing it.

I might say it, though, as "Too much grace without discipline is licentiousness,

and too much discipline without grace is legalism.

In balance, it is good."

"I have a friend at Starfleet Intelligence. And she has a friend who has a cousin who's married to the assistant of one of the members of the Federation Medical Council."

"Really?"

"And according to my friend, her friend heard something from his cousin that his wife heard from this council member that I thought you might find interesting."

"Which is?"

"Doctor Wade is not going to win the Carrington."

" 'If they want their money back, give it to them.' "

"Rom! I have got a plan."

"Does it involve me brother?"

"Not really."

"Ah... I like it."

"Rom, do you know what this means?"

"Yes. It means we're going to have to memorize a whole new set of Rules."

"So I told her where she could get all the stem bolts she needed... at wholesale."

"So how does it feel to be the youngest nominee in the history of the Carrington award?"

"You're about to read the shining triumph of my life. The one thing I'll always be remembered for."

"Never place profit before friendship."

"Latinum tarnishes, but family is forever."

"Money can never replace dignity."

Obviously DS9.

Obvioulsy two main sub-plots: one with Bashir, one with Rom and Quark.

Obviously.

Not enough yet for me.

George

Which surprises me, since I could have gotten it by now.

Ok, tragic replacement.

That's 3 shows I can think of.

90's- that eliminates one show.

The other two were both set in NYC, which your initial quote suggested.

I was going to go with one, but on reflection I'm going with the other.

"NEWSRADIO."

Now THAT was a memorable line!

I'm going to wait a bit and see if any new faces peek in and see this, and can identify it.