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  1. Yes WW I did. The Album of Verse booklet was however a reprint of some of the poems in the origional volumes 1 & 2 which were done from the Chimes Hour radio broadcasts where Dick Konkle the announcer read them. So it may have been in one of those first editions but did not make it into the reprint.

    Also I missed another poem? from the book along with If a Million People Love You also was another The Masters Hand, also with VPW 's name on credits. I was not aware they considered that a poem. it was a closing remark on a SNS tape once.

    There is so much in life, Man will never understand. But through it all the faithful, Will see the Master's hand.

    So there are two poems credited to VPW in the booklet.

    Is this the one you are referring to?

    HCW told me that vpw credited this one properly,

    but-like the one in the opening post-

    most of us never heard that.

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    "The Touch Of The Master's Hand"

    --------------------------------

    'Twas battered and scarred, and the auctioneer

    Thought it scarcely worth his while

    To waste much time on the old violin,

    But held it up with a smile.

    "What am I bidden, good folks," he cried,

    "Who'll start the bidding for me?"

    "A dollar, a dollar. Then two! Only two?

    Two dollars, and who'll make it three?"

    "Three dollars, once; three dollars, twice;

    Going for three..." But no,

    From the room, far back, a grey-haired man

    Came forward and picked up the bow;

    Then wiping the dust from the old violin,

    And tightening the loosened strings,

    He played a melody pure and sweet,

    As a caroling angel sings.

    The music ceased, and the auctioneer,

    With a voice that was quiet and low,

    Said: "What am I bid for the old violin?"

    And he held it up with the bow.

    "A thousand dollars, and who'll make it two?

    Two thousand! And who'll make it three?

    Three thousand, once; three thousand, twice,

    And going and gone," said he.

    The people cheered, but some of them cried,

    "We do not quite understand.

    What changed its worth?" Swift came the reply:

    "The touch of the master's hand."

    And many a man with life out of tune,

    And battered and scarred with sin,

    Is auctioned cheap to the thoughtless crowd

    Much like the old violin.

    A "mess of pottage," a glass of wine,

    A game -- and he travels on.

    He is "going" once, and "going" twice,

    He's "going" and almost "gone."

    But The Master comes, and the foolish crowd

    Never can quite understand

    The worth of a soul and the change that is wrought

    By the touch of The Master's hand.

    -- Myra Brooks Welch.

    ==========

    That was written in 1921.

  2. Like this quote from the Advanced class on videotape?

    ===========

    "I have in my possession, a film, which I'm not gonna show ya, not

    because I'm afraid to show it to ya, it's just because I don't have time

    to do everything. But, I have a film of two beautiful ladies

    endeavoring to have intercourse with a German short-hair dog - eh, not a

    German - German shepherd, dog. And the damned dog's got more sense than

    the women, ya know. (laughter) They're workin' on him, they're

    masturbating him, they're sucking him, they're doing everything, pulling

    him up to 'em. The dumb dog's all the time working back, trying, but he

    wants to get away from 'em. Those two women are totally possessed, and

    - heh-heh."

    =========

    That's regarding the film he mentioned in the CFS class AND the Advanced

    class (taped), and showed groups who took it LIVE,

    and some people confirmed he showed it when under-18s took them-

    which is a crime in the US.

    Or when he told lcm that he'd have to "loosen up sexually" or something else

    entirely?

    Now,

    someone pointed out that a live class they took LATER did not include references to

    this.

    I shall clarify (repeating myself in the process.)

    vpw bought a film including 2 women and a dog engaging in sex acts.

    vpw taught the Advanced class live-on grounds at hq and other places.

    vpw taught the Christian Family & Sex class live-on grounds at hq and other places.

    When he taught them (most or all of them) live, he showed part or all of this

    pornographic movie. For BOTH classes.

    Even the wierwille defenders admit this-there were hundreds of witnesses.

    (Some sometimes respond that he showed them the deviant porn for a good reason.

    You can find that in the archives, too.

    For that matter, one claimed that vpw raped and molested corps women for their

    own good as well. I can point to the thread that's on pretty quickly.)

    When he put the class on TAPE like all the others, he did NOT include the

    dirty movie (AFAIK, he did not.) However, in BOTH taped classes

    (Advanced and CFS), he described the contents of the movie as quoted above.

    I sat thru the CFS class and tried to block out this mention-but it was there when

    I took it. (I took it more than once because I took EVERY class as often as I was

    able to attend any session.) The above quote was from a transcript of the Advanced

    class.

    So,

    are you going to say that ALL those who saw it run live in their classes are liars?

    How about ALL those-like me-who were in taped classes where it was described-

    prepared to call us-including me-liars?

    If you're going to do so, please do it now, outright and in the open!

    We like open dialogue here-we were UNABLE to get it in twi.

    Here's a side-question.

    If you're prepared to accept that ALL of us were, in fact, telling the truth,

    what was the relevance of movie of deviant porn in TWO different classes.

    A separate question is, why did he LAUGH at the end of the quote?

    I was twisting uncomfortably away from the subject in my mind,

    but it made him LAUGH. WHY did the deviant porn make the MINISTER laugh?

    Is this a normal reaction, an expected reaction, to deviant porn from a minister?

    And why does a minister show deviant porn to students- TWICE?

    (All twi'ers were expected to take ALL classes, and the corps sat thru both

    on grounds-as did the college division-not even counting any times they saw

    it "on the field.")

    I think these are questions that warrant REAL thought and a REAL answer.

  3. tom

    the bible verses you metion are saying go to the person you accuse and then with two or three witness..

    vpw is dead been dead for a long while no one accused him while alive or if they have it was never been documented, unless something comes up on this thread .

    Go ahead and review the archives.

    Women have said that he-PERSONALLY-raped them,

    or PERSONALLY drugged AND raped them.

    Eyewitnesses have interacted with women sent to "his office"

    (which was separate from all the buildings and was furnished

    completely as a bedroom),

    saw them leaving distraught,

    then kicked off grounds,

    and later put the pieces together.

    Eyewitnesses have interacted with people on-staff who were

    instructed to be ready and "counsel" women who had JUST

    been raped by vpw.

    In particular, the "Moneyhands" were mentioned as being

    old hands at that.

    Those who weren't "successfully counselled"

    were kicked IMMEDIATELY off-grounds,

    and their reputations were smeared,

    as in "never speak to her-she is possessed".

    Can't tell your story if nobody will hear you.

    At least one person who was part of the "cleanup crew"

    later confessed to knowing of this.

    A reliable witness reported that vpw-after having a few drinks-

    asked him to describe what an orgy is like-

    and told him that they were ok with God.

    Guy didn't put the pieces together until later.

    We have women who say he tried UNSUCCESSFULLY to get them

    to have sex with him,

    and they report the SAME lines used on them as the women

    he succeeded with.

    We have women who reported that their

    "From Birth to the Corps" autobiographies (MANDATORY papers)

    included a history of sexual abuse or assault.

    Many of those are the same women who were targeted for rape.

    It's not a big secret that victims of something one time are often

    easier to victimize later.

    Were the papers specifically used to find rape victims?

    One poster reported meeting vpw and Uncle Harry face-to-face

    for the first time-together-

    and Harry copped a feel off of her, out in the open, immediately.

    Women on OTHER websites have reported being raped by him.

    Ever read Schoenheit's paper on Adultery?

    Do you honestly believe it wouldn't have been necessary if vpw

    hadn't signed off on adultery and no-strings sex in the first place?

    Ever hear about "the Lockbox?"

    A number of insiders were told that this sort of thing were to be

    kept secret and never to be told to other twi'ers, even.

    Then there's things which escape my mind at this time.

    So, all or some of them are telling the truth......

    ....or you're prepared to call dozens of people who have never

    met a bunch of liars.

    BTW,

    the victims who have come forth have been insulted and had

    people slander and vilify them online when they came forth.

    Some posters tried to silence them immediately.

    They came forth ANYWAY.

    So, since we've danced this dance before, I ask you:

    How many reports from victims, MINIMUM, will it take to convince you they're telling the truth?

    How many reports from bystanders and those who spoke to them just afterwards,

    MINIMUM, will it take to convince you that they're telling the truth?

    Please provide an exact number.

    Or, admit publicly that you may NEVER consider the testimony of the eyewitnesses

    sufficient even if HUNDREDS of them show up,

    because they're reporting something you do not WISH to hear?

    he can not deny or defend being dust now.
    When he was alive, he did a very thorough job of concealing his tracks

    and silencing any discussion. If not for the internet, we STILL wouldn't know.

    The point being to AVOID FAlse accusation and cheap talk amoung the members about one another which was hurting the group as a whole.

    cant be done with vpw. his face is long gone by now .

    i do not believe those verses address dead people and what people may say about them at all.

    But they DO relate to people who are alive and tell their stories NOW,

    and they have witnesses.....

    Here's the rub for me...

    There are many threads already here that deal with this topic. Women have come forward with their experiences.

    It's very difficult to do such a thing in private. To come forward out on the 'net on a public forum like this one is far more difficult than anybody can imagine. Especially this particular forum for these particular women...because there is a certain faction on this board who will and have ripped these women up one side and down the other. With pure venom and evil, imo.

    Now along comes somebody and, innocently or not, asks these women to come forward again.

    None of these women are doing so.

    Anybody thought of why these women aren't posting their experiences here? Could it be that they've posted and posted, been ripped to pieces repeatedly, and just are not willing to do it all over again?

    Last night in chat the SOSDD (same old s**t, different day) started up, too...again...

    I know that I am at the point of telling people to search the threads if they really wanna know what happened in Alaska.

    I'll bet those who can directly speak to the topic of this thread are thinking the same thing.

    Why should anybody feel obligated to make somebody else's life easier by making their own life more difficult?

    The rub of this thread is the expectation of personal sacrifice for the sole purpose that others don't have to do much for themselves.

    You who are questioning really want to know? I say do the legwork yourself...if you really just want information. Otherwise you're giving all indication that you're trying to cast aspersions upon those who have come forward...and trying to cover such an attempt with an innocent face of, "well I'm just asking and it's all buried too deep to be found..." blah blah blah. IMO.

    Am I being too harsh, too negative, too suspicious, too bitter?

    I don't care any longer.

    Unless you've put your most personal and most difficult experiences out here and been ripped to pieces in all ways possible on such a board...and have done so repeatedly with the same results...then you're in no position to judge in this matter...and you're certainly in no position to demand satisfaction of your 'curiosity'.

  4. Pond makes a good point. I think I will have to get to know the accusers and go by my gut instinct. They might really be victims. It is entirely possible that Wierwille is innocent. But I had heard of his sexual compulsions in the late 80s from some pretty good sources. Not adultery but his fascination with sex. Kind of weird. Even came out in his teachings.

    Does anyone agree to that? Otherwise, I was going to close the thread or let people post as they will. I thin personal IMs are better and more private at this point.

    Like this quote from the Advanced class on videotape?

    ===========

    "I have in my possession, a film, which I'm not gonna show ya, not

    because I'm afraid to show it to ya, it's just because I don't have time

    to do everything. But, I have a film of two beautiful ladies

    endeavoring to have intercourse with a German short-hair dog - eh, not a

    German - German shepherd, dog. And the damned dog's got more sense than

    the women, ya know. (laughter) They're workin' on him, they're

    masturbating him, they're sucking him, they're doing everything, pulling

    him up to 'em. The dumb dog's all the time working back, trying, but he

    wants to get away from 'em. Those two women are totally possessed, and

    - heh-heh."

    =========

    That's regarding the film he mentioned in the CFS class AND the Advanced

    class (taped), and showed groups who took it LIVE,

    and some people confirmed he showed it when under-18s took them-

    which is a crime in the US.

    Or when he told lcm that he'd have to "loosen up sexually" or something else

    entirely?

  5. ....sometimes things get a bit testy because there have been times when women have shared their experiences here, that folks called them liars or pointed a finger of blame....some how made it their fault and so forth.

    And that particular tactic preceeded the GSC, and started as soon as women began sharing

    their stories- and especially when their stories all began fitting together.

  6. Jethro Tull- Teacher

    :wink2:

    Correct!

    (As if you didn't know.)

    It's included on "Best of Jethro Tull"

    but not on "Original Masters", which is a more complete "best of"

    EXCEPT for "the Teacher".

    Next turn is Ca_dreaming.

    It wasn't that it was too easy WW... you're just in my wheelhouse!

    I must have just beaten you to the draw when someone posted

    "Bungle in the Jungle", possibly my favourite Jethro Tull song.

    But you probably felt the way I did when someone posted an

    "Offspring" song-and I was sure nobody else would get it.

  7. The little *green tree* in your reply screen inserts images.

    click that -- and (on my puter) a window scrolls down from above.

    find the url of a pic you want to post, and insert that in the space provided. :)

    Please remember that you should properly download the pic to your

    hard drive, THEN upload the pic to an online gallery,

    because most sites hate "direct hotlinking"

    since they have a bandwidth limit for their site, and that gets used up

    when you link to the site and we open the page each time.

    Probably the EASIEST site to do that with is Imageshack,

    http://imageshack.us

  8. WW it is not in the Album of Verse booklet. The only one I saw in there with his name on it was If a Million People love you. I don't recall VP every taking credit for the no hands poem.

    You CHECKED the Album of Verse?

    If so,

    then-pending an account who specifically heard vpw claim OTHERWISE-

    I'll chalk this one up to a semi-exaggeration on my part.

    That is,

    vpw never attached his name to it, nor said "I wrote this."

    However,

    I'm still waiting for any indication that he gave ANY credit to this

    particular poem.

  9. I normally do not get involved in doctrinal discussions, because I have been away so long that I no longer feel capable of having a logical discussion with people like WW, who is much more learned than I. Having also been a victim of some of TWI's practices, I not anxious to jump to defend much about them or defend the postion of anyone who tends to ignore their abuses.

    However, I would like to somewhat address the issue of the belief that VPW took Christ out of our TWI lives. I would simply like to quote, for your review, a few excerpts from published materials.

    From the Advanced class syllabus, Appendix 1, "The Lifestyle of God's Word"

    "God is the logos. Jesus Christ is called the logos, making known God. The Scriptures are the logos, making known Jesus Christ and the Father in writing. So we have the living Word, Christ; the written Word, the Bible; and the preached Word rightly divided by a knowledgeable believer, making known the living Chirst by way of the written Word. You cannot separate Jesus Christ and the written Word.

    ....the written Word is made to shine with the glory of the divine presence of God through His wonderful Son, Jesus Christ. The only subject of the whole Word of God is Jesus the Christ, the Son of the living God. This is the master key of the Word."

    My basic problem is the apparent non-adherence to the very words which VP recorded (or rewrote, depending on your point of view. For example:

    From God's Magnified Word, Chapter Nine, Page 164

    "We don't go around in the community and say, 'Look, I know it all.' No, we don't preach ourselves, we preach Jesus Christ. Of course, God has to communicate His will by way of His Word to a person, and that person has to carry through the knowledge received. Fro example, when we are out witnessing, we are doing the witnessing. But we do not preach ourselves, or another person or an organization; we preach God's Word. We hold forth the Word, which is Jesus Christ."

    Think some may have overlooked these words, but my point is the sample of the writings do show that Jesus was not a non-subject. There are many examples throughout the writings that show the intent of teaching that Jesus is the head of the Church, that we have His power, and that we act on His behalf by way of the manifestations.

    I understand the overview that the teachings of Christ Administrations vs Grace Administrations cause many to conclude that Jesus is absent in anything substantive from the belly of TWI. However, in reviewing the materials, I just don't see that to be the case.

    (Ducking back into my hole now.)

    If vpw had set the example of actually practicing the contents of the books,

    then we'd not be having this discussion.

    A lot of stuff that looks good or is good was in print here and there.

    It sounds soooo Christian and accurate.

    The books were often FINE.

    However, vpw put the books out, then promptly did whatever he wanted,

    sometimes adding a drapery of a holy epithet to it.

    lcm TRIED to do it, but lacked the finesse to SUCCEED.

    The basic problem of "non-adherence" to what vpw said/wrote

    was at vpw's level.

    Since, apparently, Oldiesman attended meetings entirely in the books and

    never interacted with the meetings were all of us were exposed to

    otherwise- SNS, ROA, TOM, weekends at hq, corps, wow, and so on-

    his arguments are that the literal contents of the books don't say something,

    then it was NEVER TAUGHT and NEVER PRACTICED.

    Explains why there's such a complete disconnect between the teachings-

    live and on tape-that WE heard, and the ones HE heard.

  10. Yeah, what tommy said. I never heard VP claim to have written this. As a matter of fact, I have heard the same adaptation read at my (Methodist) church.

    "THIS SAME ADAPTATION"?

    Was the person an ex-wayfer?

    On all of cyberspace, I can find a bunch of references to St Teresa of Avila's

    version,

    but the twi version is only on ex-wayfer sites.

    If someone has a copy of the poetry book

    ("An Album of Verses?" What was the name?),

    they can check if this was in there, labelled "BY Victor Paul Wierwille".

    We already had it confirmed that the "BY Victor Paul Wierwille" label

    was attached to the poem "If a Million People Love You",

    which, except for the last line, was in use long before by people who've

    never heard of vpw.

  11. Twi's doctrine of the "absent Christ" was the nefarious doctrine that Wierwiile used to place himself in the position of mog (man of God)...

    Yes..."the word takes the place of the absent Christ"...and Wierwille was the ultimate authority on what the word said...thus...Wierwille took the place of the absent Christ.

    When Jesus was about to depart, he said that he would send a "comforter"...the spirit that would lead us into all truth...he did NOT say that the written word would take his place and that VP Cornfield would be the authority of that word...Wierwille made the whole thing up.

    So,

    here's the chain-of-command.

    vpw claimed Christ was "absent"-and, contrary to what someone claimed about

    vpw claiming Christ was "ONLY PHYSICALLY ABSENT"-

    no qualifier was made.

    (Kindly produce the quote from the book where vpw said otherwise,

    and I shall retract this statement.)

    vpw claimed "the Word"-i.e. the Bible- takes the place of the Christ he declared

    was absent.

    That SAME Word shows the Christ (who may or may not be absent)

    claimed that the Comforter would be sent, and the Comforter would be the

    authority in all things where Jesus currently was.

    So, Jesus said the Comforter would fill in for him, and never said he was "absent."

    vpw claimed JC was "absent" and that "the Word" takes his place.

    The Word claimed the Comforter takes JC's place,

    and that Comforter is the Spirit.

    JC-IN that Word- explained his followers wouldn't have rulers, and that those who

    meant to be in charge were to be servants.

    What did he mean by 'servants'-did he mean that they could rule and reign

    and that would be their "service"?

    JC demonstrated this.

    He washed the feet of his apostles.

    That was the most menial, demeaning task given to the lowliest of servants.

    Jesus' claims about the position of the leader contradict everything vpw claimed

    about leadership.

    vpw, of himself, wanted-and got-an airplane, motorcycleS, fancy cars,

    3 catered meals a day, a continuous river of alcoholic beverage and a steady

    supply of tobacco-

    while he said that people should treat his "suggestions" as "orders".

    Occasionally, he said leaders had to "serve", but in PRACTICE, his concept

    of that was more Lord Over God's Heritage than humble servant washing their feet.

    ===

    So, consider him the sole arbiter on what The Word said-

    which he was set up to from the time he called HIMSELF

    "THE Teacher"-

    or consider him the leader of the organization that explained

    HOW it was Christ in you.

    vpw defined procedure, and changed it whenever he saw fit.

    So, if you want to know in what way you were free to think for yourself-

    as in "Christ in you without leadership giving orders-

    after 1989, that was nearly impossible,

    (unless your local leaders wanted to risk being fired for failing to

    sufficiently lean on you),

    and thru the 1980s it was possible only face-to-face at the lowest

    level (and never as high as the branch coordinator, let alone

    territory nor state/limb.)

  12. Watersedge,

    just so you know,

    there are a handful of people here whose posts consistently demonstrate

    a pattern of whitewashing twi.

    Things like vpw never committing the felonies he did-

    which means all his victims who've come forth are ALL liars

    who coincidentally have matching testimonies,

    things like just about everything harmful that was ever taught

    never actually happened, especially if they weren't in the room

    when it was taught,

    things like if the official statements and positions of twi said one

    thing that sounded right, then they never said or did anything

    to contradict it, even if it was also in print, or on tape, or had

    hundreds of witnesses

    and other things that don't spring to mind at this second.

    =======

    So, what does that mean in a practical sense?

    It means that here-like anywhere else,

    you need to carefully evaluate anything said.

    Sometimes people are mistaken and in error.

    Sometimes people are misunderstood.

    Sometimes people sincerely post error, since they honestly think that.

    Sometimes people deliberately post what they know is a lie.

    We've had posters representing each position.

    And every longtime poster has made a mistake at some point,

    no matter how hard they tried.

  13. vpw's thing about making changes in the work of other as suited him and

    conveniently forgetting to mention their names came into play here again.

    Remember this poem "written by vpw"?

    "God has no hands but our hands

    with which to give His people bread.

    God has no feet but our feet

    with which to walk amoung the almost dead.

    We say that we are His,and He is ours.

    Deeds are the proof of this, not words,

    And these are the proving hours."

    Well,

    if you knew about the FOURTEENTH-CENTURY St Teresa of Avila,

    this poem might have sounded oddly familiar.

    After all, she said

    ===

    ""God has no hands but our hands to do his work today;

    God has no feet but our feet to lead others in his way;

    God has no voice but our voice to tell others how he died;

    and God has no help but our help to lead them to his side." "

    ===

    If the average person did this, I might be open to possibilities

    like

    "they wrote this having never seen the work of the other person"

    or

    "they forgot they ever read this from another person"

    However,

    vpw had QUITE the track record on dropping labels off

    off things he liked,

    whether they were entire books of Christians,

    poems, etc.

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  14. Using cutesy acronyms for stuff is really more of an American phenomenon,

    and mostly since the 20th century began.

    I forget which language has the word "ficken",

    but reliable sources give that as the connection.

  15. Thought you'd like to know.

    HCW informed me that this poem WAS properly attributed.

    However,

    I myself never heard the attribution,

    and I bet most of you didn't.

    "What constitutes a school?

    Not ancient halls and ivy-mantled towers,

    Where dull traditions rule

    With heavy hand youth's lightly springing powers;

    Not spacious pleasure courts,

    And lofty temples of athletic fame,

    Where devotees of sports

    Mistake a pastime for life's highest aim;

    Not fashion, nor renown

    Of wealthy patronage and rich estate;

    No, none of these can crown

    A school with light and make it truly great.

    But masters, strong and wise,

    Who teach because they love the teacher's task,

    And find their richest prize

    In eyes that open and in minds that ask.

    (Henry Van Dyke)

    =================

    Seems that's not the entire thing, either.

    (Henry Van Dyke)

    "What constitutes a school?

    Not ancient halls and ivy-mantled towers,

    Where dull traditions rule With heavy hand youth's lightly springing powers;

    Not spacious pleasure courts, And lofty temples of athletic fame,

    Where devotees of sports Mistake a pastime for life's highest aim;

    Not fashion, nor renown Of wealthy patronage and rich estate;

    No, none of these can crown A school with light and make it truly great.

    But masters, strong and wise, Who teach because they love the teacher's task,

    And find their richest prize In eyes that open and in minds that ask;

    And boys, with heart aglow To try their youthful vigour on their work,

    Eager to learn and grow, And quick to hate a coward or a shirk:

    These constitute a school,--

    A vital forge of weapons keen and bright,

    Where living sword and tool Are tempered for true toil or noble fight!

    But let not wisdom scorn The hours of pleasure in the playing fields:

    There also strength is born, And every manly game a virtue yields.

    Fairness and self-control, Good-humour, pluck, and patience in the race,

    Will make a lad heart-whole To win with honour, lose without disgrace.

    Ah, well for him who gains In such a school apprenticeship to life:

    With him the joy of youth remains In later lessons and in larger strife!"

    ==========

    If we'd had the internet back in the days of twi, vpw would have

    been SO pinched.

  16. I support the right for folks to read and consider an unpopular position like the revisionist literature without having to apologize for doing so, and without being labelled anti-semitic and neo-nazi.

    Thank God we live in America. This stuff is banned in Germany and Israel.

    Ok,

    at the moment,

    I'll leave that as-is,

    and say that this particular statement-

    about being free to read and consider-

    is something we both agree on.

    ========

    Perhaps if WTH reads more,

    he'll understand enough on the DNA testing to understand

    how Koestler's assertion was disproven.

    (I'd bet real money against it, but it could happen.)

  17. Ironic.....isn't it?

    Wierwille's implementing of the corps program.......to further the "ministry."

    Wierwille's focus to discipline each corps person.....to go forth for the "ministry."

    Wierwille's corps principle #3......to bring in monies and further his "ministry."

    And yet, the corps poem stated....Not ancient walls or ivory-mantled towers,

    where dull denominations rule with heavy hand believers' deeply springing powers,

    etc. etc.

    What a paradox....twi became the self-serving rulership that it (seemingly) detested. :evildenk:

    Thought you'd like to know.

    HCW informed me that this poem WAS properly attributed.

    However,

    I myself never heard the attribution,

    and I bet most of you didn't.

    "What constitutes a school?

    Not ancient halls and ivy-mantled towers,

    Where dull traditions rule

    With heavy hand youth's lightly springing powers;

    Not spacious pleasure courts,

    And lofty temples of athletic fame,

    Where devotees of sports

    Mistake a pastime for life's highest aim;

    Not fashion, nor renown

    Of wealthy patronage and rich estate;

    No, none of these can crown

    A school with light and make it truly great.

    But masters, strong and wise,

    Who teach because they love the teacher's task,

    And find their richest prize

    In eyes that open and in minds that ask.

    (Henry Van Dyke)

    =================

    Seems that's not the entire thing, either.

    (Henry Van Dyke)

    "What constitutes a school?

    Not ancient halls and ivy-mantled towers,

    Where dull traditions rule With heavy hand youth's lightly springing powers;

    Not spacious pleasure courts, And lofty temples of athletic fame,

    Where devotees of sports Mistake a pastime for life's highest aim;

    Not fashion, nor renown Of wealthy patronage and rich estate;

    No, none of these can crown A school with light and make it truly great.

    But masters, strong and wise, Who teach because they love the teacher's task,

    And find their richest prize In eyes that open and in minds that ask;

    And boys, with heart aglow To try their youthful vigour on their work,

    Eager to learn and grow, And quick to hate a coward or a shirk:

    These constitute a school,--

    A vital forge of weapons keen and bright,

    Where living sword and tool Are tempered for true toil or noble fight!

    But let not wisdom scorn The hours of pleasure in the playing fields:

    There also strength is born, And every manly game a virtue yields.

    Fairness and self-control, Good-humour, pluck, and patience in the race,

    Will make a lad heart-whole To win with honour, lose without disgrace.

    Ah, well for him who gains In such a school apprenticeship to life:

    With him the joy of youth remains In later lessons and in larger strife!"

    ==========

    If we'd had the internet back in the days of twi, vpw would have

    been SO pinched.

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