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Originally posted by GarthP2000:quote:
Originally posted by mzimagine:Can a Calvinist church have a Free Will offering?
ROFLMAO!! I love it!
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Satan being the former archangel Lucifer is a bunch of traditionalist hooey! Satan was created by God to be evil, but more on that at a future time.
Chuck,
So-o-o whatever happened to Satan's free will? And why would a perfect god create evil? And please spare me the 'God has a reason for everything' explanation, please. That's almost as twisted as the Calvinist version of sadism.
"Hey! This evil of your child dying horribly is happening to you because I've got a reason for everything. Now *shut up* and learn!!" ..... "Yessam massah."
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So Garth, tell me, how would you know good without evil to contrast it? Or do you think we should know neither good nor evil? Afterall both are charactersitics of the forbidden tree. That's the only reason God created evil, that we may know good.
Can you have light without darkness? Well, yes actually, but without the reality of darkness, we wouldn't appreciate the light.
Do you enjoy pleasures Garth??? What's the whole purpose of pleasure? To appease pain, what else! What if you suffered NO pain? Then you would need NO pleasure, and you'd might get a little bored. Maybe I'm now beginning to understand why some people are masochistic. They are so overwhelmed with pleasure that it has become boring to them, so they need a little PAIN to appreciate the pleasures they have.
Would you want to have sex with a gorgeous woman if you couldn't get aroused? The pleasure of sex appeases the PAIN of arousal.
You like to eat? Food tastes pretty good, doesn't it? But would you want to eat if you didn't suffer the PAIN of hunger?
How about a nice COLD DRINK? But hey, if you're NOT THIRSTY, then you wouldn't enjoy the refreshement very well, would you?
Now I don't know all of God's plans, therefore I cannot answer why some parents have had the pain of having a child taken away from them at a very young age through a tragic event. But I do believe that the child and parents will be reunited someday, and it will be cause for a great celebration!
:)-->Speaking of losing loved ones, my younger brother just passed away back in June. And I did have an emotional time with it as you may have recalled. But I'm also confident that it's not exactly goodbye forever! Just simply saying sayonara
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JM,
Is a woman worth getting mixed up in an organization that can possibly cause you potential harm? Kinda like "Come into my parlor, says the spider to the fly". I think a woman worth your trouble would love you just as you are, and not because you are willing to get involved in her beloved organization. If she tries to "encourage" you to get involved in classes, I'd have second thoughts about her. Just MHO.
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Actually the Calvinists have twisted the predestination doctrine to make it sound like God is just plain cruel and heartless to some people.
I too believe in predestination, but as a universalist I also believe in the ultimate salvation of everyone.
True, we will all be tried for what we have done in this life, but I don't believe in a punishment that has no redeeming value. While the annihilation doctrine that TWI taught is closer to God's character than the tradtionalist view that God will subject hopeless sinners to eternal torment, it still demeans and undermines God's ability to save to the utmost everyone. Besides, what's the point to teaching a sinner a lesson only to snuff him out afterwards? The bible teaches that when God administers proper retribution for sin, the judged sinner learns rightetousness. Who learns righteousness at being tortured for all eternity? And why teach someone righteousness only to snuff him out?
Time doesn't allow me to go into great detail of what I have learned in the past few years, but I do believe God has a reason for everything, good and evil, that has occurred, and why God created Satan. (incidently this Satan being the former archangel Lucifer is a bunch of traditionalist hooey! Satan was created by God to be evil, but more on that at a future time.)
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((((((AHAT and sister)))))))))
you're in my thoughts too
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Sudo probably wouldn't like me too much since my teeth are all but rotten
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WHAT'S NEW IN EDUCATION?
With all due deference to Pres. Bush:
In response to the Federal No Child Left Behind Act, students will have to
pass the test to be promoted to the next grade level. In the hopes that it
will be uniformly adopted by all the states, thus illuminating Texas to a
glorious front runner position in education, it will be called: the Federal
Arithmetic and Reading Test (FART).
All students who cannot pass a FART in the second grade will be retested in
grades 3-5 until such a time as they are capable of achieving a FART score
of 80%. If a student does not successfully FART by grade 5, that student
shall be placed in a separate English program, the Special Means Elective
for Learning Language (SMELL).
If with this increased SMELL program the student cannot pass the required
FART, he or she can graduate to middle school by taking a one-semester
course in Comprehensive Reading and Arithmetic Preparation (CRAP).
If by age fourteen the student cannot FART, SMELL or CRAP, he or she will
earn a promotion in an intensive one-week seminar. This is the Preparatory
Reading for Unprepared Nationally Exempted Students (PRUNES).
It is the opinion of the Texas Department of Public Instruction that an
intensive week of PRUNES will enable any student to FART, SMELL or CRAP.
President Bush and Vice President Cheney stated that this revised provision
of the student-testing program should help clear the air.
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Thank you all for your thoughts and prayers. Just to let you know, they moved the date of the proceedure to the 14th, which is a week from today.
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Originally posted by dmiller:::::snipped for brevity::::::
So -- I know this a lot to ask, but Mike -- please get off the "high horse" you are on, and realize that some of us here actually think Jesus Christ is the final judge, and that all of us (someday), are going to be facing Him. I don't know if He'll go in alphabetical order or not, and I don't know your last name -- but mine is Miller, and Jesus will get to me before Wierwille.
I hope I don't take up too much of His time.
Well relax Dave, I'm in the K's so he'll get to me before he gets to you
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:D-->Incidently, since he will judge the WHOLE world, I wonder what alphabet he will use??
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I have to go into the hospital for a day on the 7th for an electrophysiological study on my heart. They are going to determine whether or not I need a pacemaker. I appreciate your thoughts and prayers.
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Oeno,
You are definitely in my thoughts, and you know you always have friends here when life deals you a bad blow. If there's anything I could possibly do, PT me
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Originally posted by def59:As evidenced by his life of lies and deceit, "Dr." may be at a different gate.
When you get right down to it, we are really no better than VPW, so perhaps we all will be at that different gate. God has concluded we are all guilty and are all in unbelief, so therefore he's going to have to show us all mercy. Otherwise God would be a respecter of persons, which the bible denies. True, there are sins, some worse than others, and therefore merit greater or lesser punishments depending on the gravity. I have no problem with God bestowing mercy on none other than the infamous Adolf Hitler. Now Hitler will have a lot of explaining to do seeing what he did to 6,000,000 Jews. Perhaps his punishment will be to spend some time with the very Jews he murdered, and they will shower him with forgiveness(which they will finally learn of course), perhaps driving him nuts. Maybe he might even acquire a taste for kosher cooking.
:D--> Poetic justice you might say :)--> After all, what was Paul's punishment? To become a member of the very society he wanted to wipe out! So it would be fitting for Hitler to become as one of the very Jews he persecuted.As far as murdering Jesus, I guess we all put him on the cross for that matter, yet he forgave those who were murdering him, so the forgiveness is thus extended to us. And his executioners were anything but penitent.
When we see VPW being bestowed with forgiveness, maybe we should remember not to act like the older brother of the prodigal son. Or like the workers of the vineyard who worked all day and were resentful that those who only worked an hour were given equal treatment.
Now I agree VPW will most likely not inherit the kingdom, but that's his problem. He really wants a crown REAL BAD, doesn't he? (read my sig
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Originally posted by dmiller:Chuck --
:D--> I hear ya!But --- is it "Heavan", or "Paradise" we are going to? This has been brought up on http:///gscafe.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=971605702&f=174604552&m=868109833&r=868109833#868109833, but what you said, makes sense.
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Hi Dave,
I would guess paradise would be the logical answer for most everyone else since I believe that only those who did the father's will will actually inherit the kingdom of heaven. But it seems most people equate paradise with heaven, so I understand the logic in that story.
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It just goes to show that the ONLY reason we are going to heaven is because of the grace of God alone. NEVER FORGET THAT!
:)-->p.s. I wonder how many points that guy would have gotten for saying "I accepted Jesus as my personal Lord and Savior"? Quarter of a point maybe?
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Though you may think the following should belong in the humor section, I think it's appropriate to post here also.
THE PEARLY GATES
A man dies and goes to heaven. Of course, St. Peter meets him at the pearly gates. St. Peter says, "Here's how it works. You need 100 points to make it into heaven. You tell me all the good things you've done, and I give you a certain number of points for each item, depending on how good it was. When you reach 100 points, you get in."
"Okay," the man says, "I was married to the same woman for 50 years and never cheated on her, even in my heart."
"That's wonderful," says St. Peter, "that's worth three points!"
"Three points?" he says. "Well, I attended church all my life and supported its ministry with my tithe and service."
"Terrific!" says St. Peter, "that's certainly worth a point."
"Huh - is that all?. Let's try this; I prophesied, drove out demon, healed the sick, and I only followed accurate doctrine. "
"Brilliant!" says St. Peter, "that's certainly worth half a point."
"Half a point? Golly. How about this: I started a soup kitchen in my city and worked in a shelter for homeless veterans."
"Fantastic, that's good for two more points," he says.
"TWO POINTS!!" the man cries, "At this rate the only way I get into heaven is by the grace of God!"
"Come on in!" says St. Peter.
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Happy Birtday Daryl! And many more
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Originally posted by herbiejuan:No Just temporarily unavailable
If you go to the *GO* button at the top of the page and click on it there is a button that will direct you to another chatroom.
What "GO" button? All I see is a "connect" button but it only takes us to the GS chatroom if its available.
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Dan, I'm assuming you were trying to contact me. Contact me via private topics if you are.
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Happy Birthday you wino you.
Do you approve of "Thunderbird"?
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Originally posted by Hills Bro:"I cannot stomach the idea of eating dog excrement, and furthermore I have a pretty weak stomach. "
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Drink a bottle of Pepto before you munch down on some dog do do and you won't up Chuck !!
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Laugh a little , it's good medicine.
Nothing wrong with a little humor. Therefore Hills, YOU can drink the bottle of Pepto and eat all the doggie doo you want.
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Originally posted by Sudo:Hey Chuck..
It's a joke, man.. Sheesh!!!
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I'm sure there was humor intended, but still, I wouldn't eat dog crap for a million dollars.
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It is possible that Peter may have denied Jesus 6 times. Heck, he could have denied him 100 times before the cock crowed for that matter. When Jesus told Peter he was going to deny him 3 times, it was not necessarily an absolute figure. It was more in the essence of "you will have denied me at least 3 times". If you want to go by the PFAL principle of 3 times confirmed, then Jesus was simply telling Peter that he wasn't going to keep his promise of fidelity.
The same with the number of people crucified with Christ. There could have been 10 crucifed with him for that matter. The point being made was that he would be numbered amongst criminals. Two others crucified would suffice to make that point.
I agree that the numbers are irrelevant, but rather what was accomplished was what was important.
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My dignity is NOT for sale. I cannot stomach the idea of eating dog excrement, and furthermore I have a pretty weak stomach.
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I voted that they are misguided. While that would not be my exact answer, it comes close enough. I would say there are truths in everything, but not every road leads to Chicago. Also you cannot find life in what single grain of truth you can find in one faction. You have to have many grains, and you have to go to other sources to get them. You just simply cannot make bread out of one strand of wheat. You need thousands upon thousands of strands, and the the grain from each strand, grind them into dough to make the bread.
Predestination
in Doctrinal: Exploring the Bible
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Ok, number one, Lucifer is only menitoned once in the entire bible. In the book of Isaiah. Never in the entire context does it indicate that Lucifer when he fell became the chieftain of the universal forces of evil, commonly called Satan.
Jesus, when speaking of Satan, said that he was a MURDERER from the VERY BEGINNING!
If the traditional Lucifer became Satan story holds true, then Jesus lied, because he testified that Satan was ALWAYS evil, when in fact he was once a good angel named Lucifer.
I believe that Lucifer, which means light bringer, is often called the "morning star" and strangely enough, Adam fits that bill quite nicely. He was made in the image of God, who is light!
Now comes a real stumper: Who committed the original sin? Adam? or Satan?
Or better yet, who exactly IS Satan?
If you buy into this freedom of will thing, then the only Satan that could possibly exist is none other than our own selfish selves.
As the saying goes: "You are your OWN worst enemy!" Incidenty that's exactly what the word "satan", which is both a Hebrew and a Greek word, means, simply oppenent, or adversary.
The only satan that exist is just our own miserable selves. It is quite possible that the traditional idea that Satan is a separate entity is probably figurative or metaphoric.