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  1. Buck

    Red's story

    Wow. Red. That was amazing. The TWI you were involved with resembled absolutely nothing that I experienced while in The Way for fifteen years. When Craig Martindale flipped out in 1989 and started demanding blind allegience from the corps, clergy and staff, I knew that something very terrible was coming. But I had no idea that it would ever come to that. Un-bee-lee-vable. Obviously I didn't stick around to experience it. I had a wife and kids to look after... So, welcome to the free world. God is still on the throne, and He is ever willing and able to show His kind and tender mercies to YOU. He has never changed, and I am sure you will find that He actually IS wonderful, just like the stories that you may have been told when you were little... Congrats on your up and coming wedding, and I am blessed to see that you had the guts to just say "see ya". Best thing you coulda done! Best wishes... Buck [This message was edited by Buck on January 12, 2003 at 19:28.]
  2. Buck

    10th Corps

    Sorry Daggs, Steve, I thought I knew something there. So Ex10 was in Oregon also huh? I was there between 77 and 79, but I am sure things had changed alot by the time you all showed up. It was got pretty weird after that "certain couple" showed up showed up to be the LC's. That rev woman was so dang mean! I am sure that you all sweetened it up a bunch though... Steve! mentioned that he knew a friend of mine nameded Mark Glazer up in OR, did you, Daggs, or Ex10 know him too? And Steve, nice pic bro. You are familiar, although I can't recall anytimne when I may have talked with you. Wow, an advanced class in 94 huh? That must have been a heavy time. I was kicked out in 90 or 91 (can't exactly remember when), and never underwent any of the TWI II stuff.
  3. Buck

    10th Corps

    Righto Steve! She married Neil Boel. He was a really nice guy. I hope all is well with them. Ya know, Karen had a very nice "husky" singing voice as a matter of fact. She sang a blues tune with me once and her tone quality was awesome...
  4. Buck

    10th Corps

    Steve! I think Dagoo was referring to the "other" Portland, that is Portland, Maine.... But yes, Jan was a WOW down around Salem, OREGON back in 1978/79 I think. She, Tonye Koetteritz and a really sweet gal named Karen Bowes. I liked Karen a lot as a matter of fact. Something about her really "tripped my trigger" if ya know what I mean ;)-->
  5. Buck

    10th Corps

    Okay Daggoo. I finally figured out how to go back to private topics since they changed the format here, and I know who you are. So, cool! Nice to hear that you are tying the knot, and that you are also one who loves the deep salty sea! I have been going to sea since I was sixteen, and just finished up nine years of working with the state of Alaska working on our ocean class ferries. I am a marine engineer, when I am at sea. We sailed primarily between Skagway AK, and Bellingham Washington, as well as intermitent trips across the Gulf of Alaska to Homer, Valdez, Kodiak Island, and the Aleutian Islands. But I'm on the beach for now. Being away from the wife and kids for too long has it's down side. Especially being away from my wife. ;)--> Daggs, over on the "music thread" I told a sea story that you might like. You could look it up by clicking on "posts by Buck" if you want.. Speaking of wives, I see that you are about to become one! Way to go and best wishes! That is so cool, and I like you two's style! Eloping... ;)--> Well Ex10 make sure to tell J that I said thanks for bailing me out of my "musical experience deficit" situation. That was a great time... And, you all mention "Jan". Do you mean Jan Goins? If so, do you all remember the time she got up and did her "incident" about "Swamp Fox"? She had the whole of Kenyon auditorium just dying with laughter. What a gal.. And you say that she and Chris Rawlins are still in? Ya know, this thread has picked up a good bit. Before they changed the format, about a year or so ago, there was some cool posts on here, but then they went and erased it all. Too bad. But at least it's picking up again. And hey, I want to change my name from "Buck". The only reason I did that is because I wanted to sound like an "mcp" (male chauvinist pig) and stir some things up. But when I started that particular thread (consexual sex in The Way), I toned it all down alot. And, if I was offensive with that thread, I apologize. But now I am stuck with "Buck". Is there a way to change one's name?
  6. Buck

    10th Corps

    Hey there you guys. Hi A la, Hi Ex-10. Ex-10, I think I was supposed to respond to you a few months ago and never did. Sorry 'bout that. How's life in the warm country? We're freezing up here. Brrr..And how is that musical genious of a husband of yours? I always will remember how he figured out a harmonica/sax harmony "twin solo" for the two of us when we were in the "Tenth Corps Band" (we never had a real name I guess) during our last year in rez. It was cool, because one young lady in the band, a really good vocalist, didn't like me being in the band because I played harmonica which is an instrument "only for blues and bluegrass" as she put it. I know this bevcause at least she said it clearly to all of us that "What's _____ ___ doing in our band? We don't need a harmonica!" Boy, did that make me feel just dandy. But Bob Battersby told her to shut up and so did her husband, and, Jeff came up with this really cool deal that he and I did together on the solo break, which fit nicely with this pop music gals personal taste. I can still play it on my harp and run it through my mind. It was fun. So, I am really curious as to who Daggoo is. I left her a note in the "private topic" part of this deal here, but I haven't figured out who she is yet. I about died laughing when I read just now how she re-assigned herself. Too funny. That story leaves me to wonder how things went at the Indianna campus when she got there. What did you say when you got there Daggoo? "JAL and PL sent me to get some dental work done"? That's a great story, way to go Daggs... Well, I have to get to work... "Buck"
  7. The Brillo Pads! Thanks Hope. I really loved those close harmonies. And to think that Craig lambasted them at Emporia once behind their backs before the whole corps because he thought "I Am A Leaf" was a sissy song. And in the mean time he's doing "karioke" on the song "Red Neck Muther"...
  8. Buck

    10th Corps

    Ahh. I knew alla those folks pretty well. Steve Tompkins, on his way to LEAD was stopped by the cops and detained in Hereford Texas for questioning because he looked like a murderer they were looking for. They finally let him go. Pretty funny though. Bruce and Ann seemed like really nice folks, and Kevin was a nice guy too, although it's hard to tell what people are like until they get into some leadership setting. Then many times their reall colors begin to show. Now Tom Horrocks, he's another story. I always figured him to be a suck up, and his "gung ho ness" was really hard to take. It doesn't surprise me that he is still with The Way. Sorry you had to deal with the likes of "T Tommy Horrocks" as I used to call him. At camp Gunnison, a number of us called him a "Tom Jenkinson clone"... So, whatever happened to Daggoo?
  9. Oh man! ALP, I LOVE to listen to John Prine. In fact, I have turned my kids onto his music, and they (my two teenagers) love his stuff. My personal favorite is "Hello In There" which rarely fails to jerk a tear from my eyes. My kid's favorite is "Ain't Hurtin Nobody". Yeah, that guy is an amazing lyricist. Chris Kristofferson (he and someone else very famous)went to see John Prine when he was a virtually unknown, and Kristofferson said that John Prine "writes like he is seventy five years old, except that he's still just a young kid". That is a somewhat heavily "paraphrased version" of what K.K. said, but it is close. Somebody correct me if necessary. It's written on one of John Prines' albums. But anyway, K.K. was very impressed, and I think he had a lot to do with boosting John Prine's musical career. Ya know, I have even used that song "hello in there" in twigs during my days with The Way. The song is essentially about taking the time out of your busy day to take heed of "old folks" whose lives are in their sunset years after they have lived through the common heart breaking situations that seem to befall us poor damned humans. Ya know, this world is a HARD f____ng place sometimes. So, I would have the words typed out so that no one would miss the words, then I would play the song in Twig and then teach on the Love Of God and how EVERYBODY in this whole confused world needed to hear some kind and comforting words, "so lets be those people who are kind and comforting"... And ya know, most of the folks in those twigs around the country had never even heard of John Prine, but after that they did, and the point was always well taken. If you don't know the song, then down load it, sit down, and listen to it. It's beautiful. It'll melt ya...
  10. Hey Socks, thanks alot, that was cool. I appreciate the info, and really, thank you ALL. This really is a cool thread. And Ted, did you say that you have a kid in a figurative manner, or do you have some kids? I had never heard whether or not you had any kids. And if you do have kids, are they into music? And Oakspear, that Nora Jones is definitely awsome no? Love that voice. Some women's voices just plain "get me", and hers is one of them Just like Hope R.'s.....
  11. Hey socks, Cool post, thanks... And also, what do any of you folks know about Bob Dylan's album "Slow Train Comin" and "Saved"? When I was in rez, Craig came into study hall one day and layed this tape of Dylan's Christian music on us, and he seemed pretty thrilled with it. Craig seemed to be open enough to accept that fact that even though this was the "subversive" Bob Dylan, one of the focuses in the book The Marxist Minstrals as previously mentioned, that "just maybe Bob Dylan was now a Christian believer". He really seemed to like the song "Man Gave Names To All The Animals", which he played for us as well. In fact, I have the CD and I really like it. The words are, even though they seem to be very "Christianesque", still very very "Dylanesque". In that he he still shows that uncanny ability to say what he is saying with that "hidden meaning thing" that he was so good at. The music on the album is superb also, but you folks probably have heard it. I have always been a Dylan fan since I was fourteen or so, and the album Slow Train Comin is definitely one of my favorites. One thing I remember about alla that though, is that one time Ralph Dubofsky told me that Craig didn't know what he was talking about and that Dylan wasn't really a Christian guy now, but rather, he did that album just for the money and to throw a monkey wrench into his fans' thinking. But I don't know, I read that when he toured the year that he did that album, he actually did alot of "fire and brimstone" preaching and that he really ....ed off and alienated his alot of his fans. Some of them even booed him during his concerts. Anybody else know anything about all of that? Was he for real on all of that, or was he just doing it for publicity? It seems to me by listening to the words that he really was for real [This message was edited by Buck on January 06, 2003 at 10:11.]
  12. Buck

    10th Corps

    Yes, it is true, Daggs is near. She only needs to check her private topics deal, or read the heavy clues here..
  13. Hi Suz, I too would love to get in touch with those two. I spent Thanksgiving with their family in Ft Wayne in 1981. Tim and Mary are two of my favorite people also. Couldja give me an e-mail address if either of them have one? You can e-mail me at rhino214@hotmail.com if you have anything like that. Ya know I had a friend named Suzy when I was in rez with Mary and Tim....
  14. SimonZ I got a great laugh reading about you and Larry L throwing snowballs at eachother and playing pink panther. Too Funny! I too was in Way Builders for awhile. I worked on Brad Hinch's carpentry crew out at Gunnison. I got to sheetrock all of the cabins along the river. It was a neat challenge, scribing my sheetrock into the log walls. That was definitely one of the highlights of my time in The Way. I also had a real good time working around Andy McSherry. He was one of the finest guys I knew. Tough frickin guy that Andy. Once he and I were on the deck of a flatbed log truck while the Corps at Dr. W's "field marshall" style instructions were throwing cottonwood logs up to me and Andy to stack, and one guy on the ground carelessly dropped a frickin log right on my foot after I had already told him to "hold it till we placed the previous log". Well, the guy just dropped his end of the log right on my foot and I let out a yelp and said; "hey you stupid ....! You mighta busted my foot! I told ya to wait!" Well, the guy turned out to be Tom Jenkinsion our corps coordinator (I was still in rez), and Tom says real stern like; "Do you know who you are talking to?!" And before I could respond, Andy says; "And do you know whose foot you just dropped a log on?! You just dropped a log on my brother _____ ___'s foot! So just shut the hell up and watch what you are doing and go back to work!" And then he asked me if I was ok. I was hurt but not injured, and meanwhile Dr. Wierwille was watching from nearby and chuckling, and then gave me and Andy the "thumbs up" and Tom saw it too. Tom never said a word to me either. It was a cool moment, and I have always thought of Andy as one of the greatest ever since. Anybody know of his where and whatabouts?
  15. Buck

    10th Corps

    Hi Daggoo, I left you a message in your "private Topics" deal. Check it out... "Buck"
  16. Thanks Ted. Alla those songs remind me of the ritzy Junior High School I got sent to after I got expelled in seventh grade from another Jr High for fighting. The ritzy school was filled with kids with lots of money, and, they had lots of marijuana! Yeah, one of the strangest things happened when I took my first toke. We were in the bathroom smokin' cigarrettes by the science room, when this guy "Jeff Hook from New York" came in and asked my friend "Lump" (his nickname) if "I was cool". Steve looked at me and said; "are you cool"? I said; "yeah, I'm cool". So Jeff whips out a joint, lights it up and passes it to me. Well, since I was an expert cigarrette smoker by then, I just imitated Jeff, and yes, I inhaled, deeply! So there we were, commiting a crime, getting stoned, and then all of a sudden, the door opens and in comes Mr. Jones, the black guy janitor. Now, the thing about Mr. Jones is that he had been the janitor at my elementary school back when I was in kindergarten all the way through sixth grade. Back in elem. school he used to say funny things like (and with a heavy jive accent) "Wha's cookin good lookin? De peas in the pot! But the peas don' cook till de watah gits hot! Aha ha ha!" And now, here I was, hittin on a joint for the first time, and in walks Mr. Jones, and what does he say to us? "Wha's cookin' good lookin? da peas in de pot! But de peas don' cook till da watah gits hot!" Oh man, I couldn't believe it. And then he looks right at me and says; "Mmm mmm mmm. Hey I know you! You used to go to Parkwood. I remember when you were five years old! And now, here you are smokin' reefer in de bathoom! Aha ha ha ha!" And then he walks out and we all just stared at each other wondering if he was going to tell Mr. Glime-the principal. Man, did I feel weird. But, apparently he didn't tell Mr. Glime (nice name uh?) and I spent the rest of the day stoned for the first time. Alot of those songs that Ted mentioned happened to be the happenin' tunes on the a.m. radio at that time, and somehow, your mention of those tunes Ted, brought that memory right back, clear as a bell. So, that's what I was doin at that time, at the age of fourteen or so..Amazing how the memory of a song or songs can bring so much back from one's memory... p.s. Thanks Hope for the lyrics to that song The Highest Of The High. My wife thanks you also...
  17. Buck

    10th Corps

    Hey there Keynote. Hey, I didn't remember that you were in the orchestra. So you were at HQ for a lot of years? Wow, that must have been interesting. I actually tried out for the WO sometime before we graduated, and when the guy (can't remember who he was) gave me a trumpet audition up in the upper reaches of Kenyon somewhere, he put some sheet music in front of me and said; "go ahead and show me some sight reading". Well, it was in some difficult key, and I failed miserably. He was shaking his head, and I said, but wait! Listen to this: And I played some improvised Dixieland jazz which I was pretty good at, but he shook his head and said; "sorry, you're just not we are looking for". That was a real let down, but going to Alaska was a much better thing to do anyway. Heck, I have nearly spent half my life up here at this point... And Oak, you have me wondering who those Tenth Corps folk were that you spoke about. Got my curiosity goin. Go ahead, you can tell us :-)
  18. Oh geez..I never could write good words for songs. I get a lot of good tunes in my head, but whenever I try to come up with words, they come out goofy. I have written a total of four or five and that's all. And those are all kinda humorous songs... But, hey you all, have a wonderful New Years. As for me and my tribe, we are going to some friends house on a big lake called "Big Lake" and we are going to eat heartily, imbibe some, ride snow machines on the lake and we adults are going to soak in a big hot tub in two below weather and get frozen hair. It's clear out and so maybe we'll catch some northern lights before we hit the rack.. Love you all, "Buck"
  19. Aww now, I did find the woman of my dreams and we have been married for nineteen years now, but really I did feel that way back in dem days. You should hear the song you guys! That is if you haven't already. The heart and love there is indisputable, and the strength and conviction there in Hope's voice was so nice. Like I said, it's hard to explain. I have that tape somewhere. I'll have to dig it out and see if I can somehow turn it into a CD. That's do-able isn't it? I have a cd burner in my new computer, and I hear that there is a way to do it. Any techies out there with some advice? And hey, why didn't the band Living Waters get more "airtime" amongst the folks anyway? They were excellent. Did some Way politics keep you guys out of the main stream?
  20. Hey Hope I have to tell you this, but I don't want to sound mushy, but I probably will anyway. When I first heard that song I just plain loved it. I think I may have first heard it from a tape that Nancy Jo Shaffer, my wow branch leader had in '76 (wonder what she's up to?). I distinctly remember driving around Portland Oregon between '77 and '79 listening to the whole tape My Soul Doth Magnify and singing every word. I was twenty or so then, and that particular song was to me everything that I thought The Way Ministry was, or at least everything I thought it was, or in reality, what I wanted it to be. I loved your voice, I loved what you said in that song, and, and this is the goofy part(sorry), I wanted a woman that was like the one who sang that song. To me, even though I didn't know you, you were my Family. That time in my life was one of great healing. I had been really screwed up with drugs, fear, and confusion, and that song was really healing to me. I guess it's kinda hard for me to explain, but thanks... [This message was edited by Buck on December 30, 2002 at 9:23.]
  21. Hope are you the one who used to sing that song "Your my family"? It's on the sixth Corps tape "My Soul Doth Magnify" Ya know, come to think of it, I never did know the name to the song i am thinking of, but it started out: "I'd like to thank each one of you, and hold you in my arms"... Did you use to sing that? I was going to ask you all here who did that song, and my wife tells me that it was you. Is true?
  22. Ahhh, Ted, that sounded like a mighty fine time you had there. Must have been very cool to get back together with your friends like that. Friends from those sweet old days. I don't know the gal you speak of, but I love that song... I never knew Paul (Virgilio) Dionisio, but I did have a funny experience with him one time. When I lived in Oregon from '77 to '79, a few of us, including Bob Moser, who I mentioned before, formed a believer band. At first it was Terry Christian and I from Portland, OR, doing tunes together for the Portland branch, and then we got together with Bob Moser and another guy and two girls from Salem. The truth of the matter is, we were not very good at all. I played my harmonica by ear, and had only begun how to figure out which keys fit with my harmonicas when I did the "cross harp thing". My friend Terry could play his guitar as a "Twig serenader", but playing with other people was all new to us. But we went forward with it, and because the folks there loved us in that we were part of the Ministry, we put on some coffee houses and such, and people liked us. But, we were all aware of our musical shortcomings. It's kinda funny, because when we practiced, we would groan at how bad we sounded, but when we did a gig for the believers, it always came off better than we expected. Musta been the believing I always figured. We had a lot of that. The first year we went around the state, we would witness to folks all day on a Saturday, bring them to a coffee house that night, and play music, and then show them the film "Changed". We were known amongst the believers as The Coffee House gang at first, but then, since we were showing the Changed film, I kept trying to convince everybody that we should call ourselves "The Changed Gang", doing a little double entendre'thing with the name of the rock band the James Gang, and the term "chain gang", and the fact that we were "changed through Jesus' name",and no longer in spiritual chains. I guess that would be a "triple entendre". But to no avail. That name seemed to be too hokey or too unpolished for the some of the folks in the band and our limb leader, so, they elected to call ourselves "Changing Frontier". I never did like it. By the time we got into our second year of playing we had to wear polyester suits and make sure our hair was blow dried. I never did give up my cowboy boots though, much to the chagrin of some (not all), including our limb leader. ANYWAY, one year at the Rock in '78 at HQ, we were invited to play at The Living Room tent after a teaching where the place was set up for concerts and dances after the evenings' teachings. So there we were. We hadn't brought our own equipment to the Rock, and the stuff on the stage at that time all belonged to Good Seed (now they were fabulous!). But they said sure, "go ahead and use it, no problem, we can't wait to hear ya"! Oh my God I thought! We're gonna use Good Seeds' equipment, they are going to listen, and so is every body else! Had my brains jumpin' I'll tell ya... So, we got geared up, made sure we were in tune, and when the teaching finally let up, the people just came pouring into that tent looking for a chance to release after all those hours of sitting. They just wanted to dance, to get down and they wanted to party and let 'er rip, and we were the ones to supply the tunes. We were definitely out of our element... So, we played our only two fast songs right at the git go, "The Born Again Boogie-one I wrote- and a fast country tune called "We Serve The Word(On A Silver Platter)- one I co wrote with Terry Christian- and the people really dug it. On the boogie woogie tune people danced heartily, and on the country tune they did the "swing yer partner by the arm thing" and it was going great. Then we did this slow song that Stevie Kay Louis used to do -Oh The Price He Paid- which was preceded by our singer gal's testimony of deliverance which was, although a wonderful story of deliverance, very much of a "come down" for the audience. I am sure Ted, that in your experience, you can tell when a crowd is rarin' to go, and these folks were really charged up. Plus, like I said, we really weren't very good. And there I was with Rich Gootee's guitar on and I hadn't figured out the strap so it was hanging way down to my knees (Rich is tall-I'm not), and I'm trying to play a very weak solo on the break, and before we know it, the whole crowd had just plain stopped to stare at us and then began to chant "We want Virgilio! We want Virgilio!" Boy, THAT sure was encouraging! So we stumbled miserably through the rest of the song, and hung it up and handed it over to Paul who came up after a huge roar of applause (for him) and he graciously asked the audience to give "Changing Frontier" a big round of applause, which they did. Then Paul proceeded to dazzle the crowd with a bunch of his stuff from "A Time To Dance", at least I think it was stuff that he done recently on that album. But man oh man, that was a rough one! Those audiences at the Rock were highly charged people to say the least, wouldn't you say Ted? I still laugh when I think of that incident. It was a great experience, but I would have bowed out before hand if I hadda known the impending outcome. So many of those people were and are so incredibly talented: Good Seed, Paul Virgilio, you Ted, JN, etc... p.s. Should we have been called "Changing Frontier"? Or, "The Changed Gang?" [This message was edited by Buck on December 28, 2002 at 15:58.]
  23. From now on I think I'll call you "Alp" to make it easier... And, it was McCave. Hope wrote it that way, and her husband was in the Corps with him, and she walso knows Kevin's brother John. She has talked of John over the years, and JOhn is in contact with a New York friend of mine who lives up here where I do.. Yeah, Glad Tidings was not just music but fun entertainment as well. The "Mr. Sax Man" song was kind of a skit too when they did it live..
  24. Buck

    Knock Knock...

    But, I don't usually think about "duck down" when it comes to feathers for warmth, I think of either goose or eider down...
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