Trefor Heywood

Raphael: THAT'S WHY the NOTHING was able to invade Fantasia! Your lack of belief in imagination! ;)--> Gmork! lol Trefor Heywood "Cymru Am Byth!"

Thanks Mark for the info on Robert and Barbara Wilkinson. I will have to check if they are still around the Macclesfield area. Althought the name Vince Finnegan rings a bell I for the life of me can't remember anything else about him! Trefor Heywood

Gosh those pics are just SO funny! I keep on being promised another three inches from special formulas known only to the ancients! Reminds me of that good old TWI favourite: Rise up oh men of God! Trefor Heywood

Yes it is all control sartori001. Basically the "natural man" was anything TWI didn't like - that is except when it came to when they wanted sex! The link with the junta etc was unintentional. I have no political axe to grind with "the Gipper". It's sad he is now suffering from Alzheimers. Trefor Heywood

satori001 "I can try not to imagine the volleys of filth to erupt from the gaping piehole of "Reverend" Martindale upon reading himself being "spiritually" emasculated so handily by a..., you know, a "homo." Suffice it to say, out of the abundance of the heart, the piehole volleyeth." I like to think that there is someone in TWI that reads these forums, especially as their own website it so crassly boring. To find out what we "outies" actually think and say. To show them how they were, and are, engaged in mind games on such issues and not dealing with spiritual actualities. "The only relevance of your sexuality here, as I see it, is to give the lie to The Way's depraved piety, as its blindness to your own humanity. You're a lot more of a real "man" than Martindale could ever be. He's still working on being human." Thanks for those kind words. Humanity is something wider and more varied than the narrow thought processes of TWI allowed. It tried to squeeze humanity into its own definition. I certainly know how to treat a lady! As to Regan, I am not aware that I made any comment further than why VPW managed to get an invite to his Inaugural. I was not aware that VPW had invented a spitting technique and passed it on, that was an illuminating comment. Best wishes to you and yours also. Trefor Heywood

"Far! Jag kan inte få upp min kokosnöt! etc" We have had the tongue EWB now can we have the interpretation? Tusen Takk! Trefor Heywood

Mother's Day in the UK was three weeks ago! But to all those in the USA Happy Mother's Day! Dydd Mamau Hapus Iawn! Trefor Heywood

Darn! And you had got my curiousity all aroused! Don't worry it's no doubt easy to do - thanks for the tip! :)--> Trefor Heywood

Sorry a la prochaine I can't find it - not done private topics before how do I find it? Trefor Heywood

Not in Kansas: I knew Brendy and in fact his brother Frankie lived with me in Bristol for a while. What I do know is that they did have a brother, James McCann, who was indeed heavily involved in the IRA. Neither Brendy nor Frankie showed any interest in Irish politics during the time I knew them. Maybe therefore it was James you saw in the article. It would be horrible indeed to think that Brendy had got himself involved - he was such a gentle loving, funny guy. Frankie and Brendy did not look much alike but James might have resembled Brendy - they were both older than Frankie was. Thanks for the info on Kathleen. Trefor Heywood

Sorry Jonny Micael's name does not ring any bells of memory although the face might... Part of the tragedy of TWI was that it brought some wonderful people together who they would not otherwise have met and then split them asunder over one issue or another. I still feel the hurt of Bob Ashford breaking from me even now. Trefor Heywood

Dear EWB, Many thanks for you kind comments about my story! May I congratulate you upon your edition of the Bible! :)-->) Alas not Welsh except by residence and name. I lived in Macclesfield not too far from the Kent family and only moving around has brought me to the "Land of my Father's" (Gwlad fy'n Hadau). But George Muller is still inspiring. When I was a Twig leader in Bristol one of the ladies who came had been raised in the Muller Homes and there was a celebration of his life held there for those who had been raised in the home and I attended it. Looking after the grave was easy after you managed to find it and got rid of the undergrowth which has surrounded it for God knows how long. I hope it is still being cared for but I don't know. Will have to take a trip to Bristol and check it out. Trefor Heywood

No Sudo I wasn't. I never took the advanced class - I was intending to but when Robert Wilkinson blocked my Corps application I started to lose interest in rushing into it and then I gradually started to lose interest in a Way "career" as well. The closest I got to Peebles was a retreat for Anglican students when I was at university held in Walkerburn not too far away. Trefor Heywood

Piano but very rusty these days - don't get the practice. Wanted to learn the violin but couldn't get the fingering right. I love the clarinet but cannot make a sound with it or any instrument you have to blow into. These days I prefer to be a critic of other people's virtuosity. Critics are no good themselves but they know when somebody else isn't any good either! ;)--> Trefor Heywood

I knew Bo and Val Linneman but alas I don't know where they are now. Thanks for the info on John Alton, Alfakat, besides saying hi for me can you ask him if he knows anything about Bob Ashford? News/whereabouts would be fantastic! Trefor Heywood

As the only Brit here I am not offended by either spelling! Trefor Heywood

Despite all the hocus pocus about America Awakes I thought the album was still pretty good! With the exception that is of "The White House Across the Street". "He made the Sun shine for me each morning when skies were grey, he made my feet find the promised land when I quit the Way"... Ok I changed a word! lol Trefor Heywood

Adios thanks so much for your kind words and your contribution. Despite what I now know about VPW I was one of those who got nothing but kindness from him. I never really saw "the dark side of the force". But with LCM I was starting to see that before I left. The one time I actually heard him set forth about homosexuality I cheered and clapped and laughed with the rest, I went along, I cannot go back and change that now. I wonder how many people that clapped and cheered actually knew someone who was homosexual - by that I mean out as opposed to being "in the closet". It's always easy to attack an unknown bogeyman and to stereotype people. You found that the stereotype was a myth. I knew it was but had not the strength at the time, nor I guess the conviction. I have both now! :)--> Trefor Heywood

I remember that we were told not to guess what the fruit was - just because most people assume it's an apple was insufficient authority for it being that. So grateful for LCM "discovering" what it really was! Hmm the serpent is supposed to be the Adversary right? On that logic Satan is a lesbian! The serpent is not normally a female symbol though. Also did not Adam "love the little woman so much that he just went along and ate of it too"? Now how could Adam have had lesbian sex? The mind boggles! Trefor Heywood

That's great thanks alfakat for news of Bob Eachus and a la prochaine for news of John! Yes he was the one I mentioned in my bio - best roast pork with crackling I ever tasted! ;)--> Looks like so far they have all landed up in the USA! Trefor Heywood

Thanks so much for your contribution Ginger Tea! I got out before Martindale went crazy so am only able to talk about the time when VPW was in charge or at least whilst he was still alive and I guess those who experienced "Way II" had a harder time of it. But the call for leadership was always there and who wouldn't want to do their best to attain that - how great would be the rewards at the bema for doing so? ! I am hoping to find out news, as time goes by, of those whom I knew, especially those who did go into the Corps, I have already had a couple of leads. But we all have our stories to tell, our experiences to share. The Way affected us in different ways and we are dealing with that in different ways and these forums are certainly a great way of speaking our minds and hearts. Perhaps my theology and your psychology helped us to see things as they were a little sooner than others but we can all contribute to each other's recovery and if in my own small way I can do that then all well and good! :D--> Betcha have some great times on that coast! Trefor Heywood

Attack the King James, the Authorisedversion? All I can say is that if the King James was good enough for St Paul then it's definitely good enough for me! ;)--> Trefor Heywood

Thanks that's a good start! Amazing what folk up in Wisconsin know about the Brits! Thanks ex cathedra! Trefor Heywood

Thanks for the contribution diazbro and for your kind comments about my story. Yes the tendency to try and take over and control was quite common - they tried to fix what wasn't broken in the first place. One of the great things about local Twigs was the closeness and informality of the members, they shared and fellowshipped and nobody tried to be better than someone else. As a Twig leader I was happy to get others to teach and to lead meetings and use their own talents and abilities. We did not need outside people to be imposed upon us purely on the basis that they were Corps or, even worse, "Reverends". My experience of Way Reverends was that they thought themselves a race apart for whom respect and obedience should be automatic no matter what chaos they might actually cause. Far from increasing people's interest it put them off and was definitely disheartening for those of us who were genuine activists. And yes it was never their fault - people were not meekly and obediently following their leaders in the Word, not living it or moving it enough etc. One Reverend sat through sessions of the Intermediate Class in Bristol smoking, he considered it a privilege he had earned and was a good example of discipline for the rest of us who had to wait (gasping lol) for the break. I have already covered that he wanted to know how we stored our underwear and socks! Small wonder that people contrasted such behaviour with what they were used to! Trefor Heywood

Looking for news of any British or European Wayfarers I might have known in the period 1976-85. Did you know any of them in the Corps, did you marry a Brit believer or know anyone who did? I am particularly anxious for news of Robert Ivor Ashford who was once a very dear and very close friend. Bob was WOW in Bristol UK and later in Cork Ireland. Any clues would be gratefully received! Trefor Heywood [This message was edited by Trefor Heywood on April 23, 2003 at 16:57.]