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Thus Saith Paul
Raf replied to waysider's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
The above quote is cited to establish that I am not tiring of the stupid argument that's being presented because I am atheist -- faithful Christians likewise find themselves unable to deal with the stubborn silliness of ultradispensationalists. If you would like me to refute the stupidity of ultradispensationalism from a skeptical atheistic perspective say the word. Until now I have been content to show that faithful Christians think it's stupid. -
Thus Saith Paul
Raf replied to waysider's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
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Thus Saith Paul
Raf replied to waysider's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
still haven't demonstrated that Jesus didn't tell the 12 to preach to the gentiles (because he did) or that Paul preached a gospel different from the 12 (because he didn't). There were differences between what Paul taught and what the 12 taught, but according to the Bible those differences were not the gospel. You asked a specific question It was answered according to the Bible and ever since you have been twisting the Bible to conform to your preconception rather than just admit your preconception was incorrect. Feel free to continue in your stubborn refusal to admit the Bible specifically says what you claim it dies not. I think I've embarrassed you enough. -
Without going into too much detail, Satan is the Biblical enemy. And what does he represent? Evil? Lies? Sure. But what else? Questions. What was Eve's first mistake? Questions. Considering a view other than the one dictated to her. Curiosity is the enemy of religion. Resistance is the enemy of nationalism. Defiance is the enemy of the slaveholder. To be clear: I do not worship Satan. He is as imaginary as the God who put the tree of knowledge in the same garden as the man and woman whose consumption of its fruit would lead to eons of unnecessary suffering. Satan is religion's way of telling the skeptical theirs are not questions but unholy influences. I worship neither your imaginary friend nor your imaginary enemy.
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Thus Saith Paul
Raf replied to waysider's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
Actually, my point in bringing that up was to note that the vast majority of Christians believe hyperdispensationalism is inaccurate and ungodly. You have to question the legitimacy of an interpretational framework that eluded all Christianity from 70 AD until the 1800s. Dispensationalism, and especially hyperdispensationalism, cannot be supported Biblically unless you bend over backwards to force the Bible to say things it just doesn't say. Things like "Jesus never told the 12 to go to the Gentiles" when he did exactly that. Regardless, I find it interesting that you don't post O'Hair's analysis or his findings. Just his namecalling. It's the kind of behavior I would expect from someone who lacked confidence in his position and so wants to cut the other side down with insults. Surely you have a better argument than a long dead namecaller whose position has been rejected by mainstream Christianity. -
Thus Saith Paul
Raf replied to waysider's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
Not all Christians accept hyperdispensationalism, and it's really a pity that you have to go against the Bible's clear teaching, denying that Paul preached the gospel of the kingdom as noted numerous times in Acts, to force the Bible to conform to your preconceived notion. Hyperdispensationalism holds that there is a new adminstration/dispensation that begins in the middle of Acts. The Bible doesn't support this. Paul, according to Acts, preaches the gospel of the kingdom, the precise gospel that the 12 taught. In any event, Mr. O'Hair's namecalling does not validate his exegesis. In fact, it seems a pretty desperate attempt to call attention away from the weakness of his position. Over and over again, I am trying to return to the issues we are discussing. Over and over again, you are taking shots at me and not at the points I'm raising. I trust this is the last time I will have to tell you to keep our conversation about the topic and not about the posters. -
just "DeBarge" the solo careers, such as they were, followed.
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You guys definitely have the right feeling. I could see all these songs on a party mixtape. Does Leroy know this song? Sho'nuf! When it feels like the world is on your shoulders And all of the madness has got you going crazy It's time to get out, step out into the street Where all of the action is right there at your feet I know a place where we can dance the whole night away underneath electric stars Just come with me and we can chase the blues right away You'll be doing fine once the music starts.... Oh!
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Thus Saith Paul
Raf replied to waysider's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
O'Hair was a hyperdispensationalist. Wierwille said many bitter, nasty things about people who disagreed with him. And people who disagreed with him said many nasty, bitter things about Wierwille. Accuracy is not determined by the quality of a researcher's name-calling acumen -
Thus Saith Paul
Raf replied to waysider's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
"the scriptures tell us that Paul was preaching the EXACT same gospel which he had previously destroyed! You can show scripture passages like this to those who believe them, and yet they will still hold fast to their false and demonic teachings like stubborn donkeys" --some dude on the Internet who made me giggle. -
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Very much like All Night Long, but you are correct: it's just kinda similar. ANL is a little more mellow.
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Thus Saith Paul
Raf replied to waysider's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
I gotta be honest: I'm including this BARRRIMMMSTONE article because it made me giggle. -
Thus Saith Paul
Raf replied to waysider's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
ooh look, another one! -
Thus Saith Paul
Raf replied to waysider's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
ooh look, another one , -
Thus Saith Paul
Raf replied to waysider's topic in Atheism, nontheism, skepticism: Questioning Faith
This guy rides me for not reading the link he provided, then rides me for reading it and checking his source. So you found one guy who seems to agree with one aspect of some thesis you pulled out of your poopchute, and I'm not allowed to check the credibility and validity of your crackpot uneducated homophobic source? How convenient for you! https://www.9marks.org/answer/what-gospel-kingdom/ https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjHuo3y6KPiAhWJc98KHaCCDNcQzPwBegQIARAC&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.gotquestions.org%2Fgospel-of-the-kingdom.html&psig=AOvVaw0yftM3KwWHgQ1bhWtyt2mq&ust=1558225612369864 I could list more, but to be perfectly honest, I got the whole "gospel is the kingdom" message straight from scripture and not from a homophobic former Marine whose credentials i didn't bother to check before I cited him as some authority on scripture. Why am I the only one letting scripture speak for itself instead of pretending unrelated verses are talking about the same thing? -
. didn't get mmBop. Nobody was going to get that song. come join the fun, this ain't no time to be staying home. There's too much going on. Tonight is going to be a night like you've never known. We're going to have a good time the whole night long.
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just to pre-empt: Oldiesman is talking about his journey. If you'd like to debate him doctrinally, take it to doctrinal. If he says this is what convinced him, this is what convinced him. Period. Thanks for sharing.
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"I'm not crazy! My mother had me tested." xxx "You sign anything she puts in front of you, because you are the luckiest man alive. If you let her go, there is no way you can find anyone else. Speaking on behalf of all women, it is not going to happen, we had a meeting."
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I can actually SEE the first quote being spoken. Game of Thrones
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Yes.
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I know, right? As foreseeable as me becoming a.. Well, I guess it's not THAT impossible. But still, wow! And how about that 10-month "let's leave everyone in suspense" period?
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Seal Kiss From A Rose From the soundtrack to Batman Sensory Overload Part I
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I honestly had no memory of him being a moderator. I had to do some digging to piece it together. Pretty sure there was a specific reason, but it's erased from my memory. Welcome back, oldiesman. Rather astonished that you went to any Trinitarian church, much less the RC's. What changed your mind?