papajohn

am I the only one who's ever seen this Disney movie? it takes plce in the early to mid 80's in the UK and is about a punk band and it's stuggles. was a very interesting movie in hat it was made by Disney but not what you'd think they'd make.

I'd bid on my sanity, I'm sure I left there somewhere

I guess I just don't understand why donations are needed for this. it's not like we're talking big money to run this, all we're doing is helping people go from point a to point b.

welcome back WB :)--> I guess what I'm trying to say is MOST people, not all people. if we're talking about housing one or 2 people through this, at a time, maybe we could do it without the donations. but then if everyone else involved wants to go the other way thats ok 'wiff' me. you know more people here than I do and maybe you can get more feedback from them than I can. let me know what you think we could do.

got quiet on this thread, why?

I think the best way to do something like this, and maybe the only way, would be to run it like an underground railroad. we'd need about 5 to 7 people who would commit a room in their home to someone who wants to get out and get on with life. these homes would best case be in larger cities with job opportunities, but the person being helped will need to have the space of a few weeks to a few months free of charge as a grieving time. after this time they will need to start out with a newer life by activly looking for a job and from what I've read heard and talked to others about since I've been coming here, hard work for someone in TWI is a walk in the park. once a person starts bringing home a paycheck their selfesteme will go up. they would then have a set time limit on finding a new place to live maybe within a short distance of the safehouse they lived in so they can keep that person in their circe of support. if they want to move farther away thats up to them. what you have to remember above everything else is that this is a commitment. not just for a few weeks or months, but possibly years, of course the up side is you're helping someone and you've made the difference in a family members life. as far as donations, I don't see that happening really. most people don't donate like they used to and the ones that still do don't care about the tax deduction. anyone who is going to commit the kind of maney it takes to do this is going to do it just 'cause. I think what we would have to do is commit to keeping one person in your home and streach your own dollars to feed them and 'whatever' comes up before they can find a job and save money while contributing to the house for food only. it can be done, it can be rewarding, but who knows, no one may want to use the service. even if one person wants to though, I'm sure we would all be willing to do it. your thoughts?

I didn't mean anything forceful, I meant that some people may find it hard to be that close to NK. if theres a meeting about this, please post a time at least 3 days in advance so people can see when it is. also, theres a program called mIRC thats free and you can create your own chatroom thats invite only or locked and the only way to get in is to know the password.

putting such a home anywhere near NK would be a mistake, anywhere in ohio even. it gives people who leave one day and find it's not easy to leave the opportunity to go back fast. when they get back and find they aren't welcome back and have to return to the home thats set up, it's doubtful that they will and go off on their own to find another solution. getting out is hard enough for some people, but to be thrust into the gen population with no help could prove to be an edge you wouldn't want to push anyone to. it is my personal belief, along with the belief of many people in the halfway house business, it's best to set up a contact near the org in question so that when someone wants out, theres someone to tell them where to go and how to get there and what will happen once they get there. is this idea something people here really want to do? if so lets set up some kind of meeting online, maybe in the chat room, and see where it takes us.

yes I'm sure. my home is open to anyone with a need.

P.S. donations these days are very hard to come by. if you ask the gov for grants, they have to be spent EXACTLY as the grant says which may force you to do things you really didn't want to do.

to set up a 501©3, nonprofit corp isn't very hard. the IRS has a mound of paper work that has to be done, and done correctly the first time or they can kick it back to you over and over again. it can be done by an lawyer for a fee of anywhere from 500.00 to 25,000.00 depending on the work involved. I can do it for free and have done it for many other org's. it doesn't have to be nonprofit, it can be for profit but that doesn't mean it will make a profit. the expenses of housing people till they can get on their feet can get pretty expensive. the average "halfway" house in minnesota charges anywhere from 900.00 a month on up. the things you need to ask yourself are, who's going to run it, even if it's a part time house it has to have someone there 24/7. location, transportation, relocation, education for people with children, and the list goes on. if people really want to get this going I will help with the paperwork for the IRS (their fee used to be 250.00 for filing) and I will go so far as letting my home in minnesota be used as a transitional house. anyway, let me know and I will do what I can. peace

I hope you all have a good hoilday!!! remember us in your prayers, my son and I are flying down to new orleans tomorow to visit my side of the family. lucky kid gets 3 christmases haha. I love you all, and thank god for you daily.

my furry son's name is Buster, and it fits him well. just asked his pet cat with 3 legs.

you folks are tooooooo funny seth: how about it's ponch wearing a sears poncho?

know her?

if anyone knows of his whereabouts please let me know or tell him scott from new orleans says hi and would love to hear from him

sounds like you did it right to me. when I left I was never contacted again, but then I was asked to leave.

I didn't grow up in the way, other than in the way of my mom trying to cook and stuff haha. I was WOW in 84'85 and remember we had a christmas party at someones home and all the WOW's exchanged gifts. it was actually one of the good times I had as a WOW.

hi CC, we do have christ in us, the hope of glory. keep the faith and always know that. as far as any miracles in TWI, at the ROA of '84 I was in the book store and there was a man there singing, he was wearing thick dark glasses. I asked who he was and for the life of me I can't remember his name, but what I was 'told' by a friend who had more time in TWI and knew more about the people there, that this was a man who had been blind but had SOME sight restored by a miracle. I believed what I was told and maybe it was true, I wasen't there when it happened. it really has never crossed my mind till I read this post but I have a question about it. if god were to restore your sight through a miracle, wouldn't he restore it totally? the only other miracle, which after working with alcoholics for many years I can understand what was happening then was this. a girl another WOW family had coming to their twig was an alcoholic. after several week someone 'higher' up than us pee-on WOW's told my family coordinator who was in his 3rd? yr of corp training that she was now his resoncability and would be coming to our twig. she was a mess, I felt for her. her and I became attached (friends) and when her drinking was worse, then she tried to quit, I went and took her to the hospital because of the D.T.'s. once she was released and back at her home, we went over to see her and there she was, hands and knees, scratching at us, trying to bite, and barking like a dog (literally). once we got her down on the floor, 'higher up man' prayed for her and laid his hands on her and she calmed down fast and started recognizing us and talking normal. of course right away this was taken as a miracle and as a good WOW I kept my mouth shut and and just nodded. I can't say it was a mirale or that it wasen't, but knowing now how people who are D.T.'ing can get, I question it. other than those 2 issues, the only miracle I can say happened was that god opened my eyes and I left TWI and became a happier person. there are things I learned in TWI that I still hold today, but for the most part those old habits (and thats what they were) died a long time ago. love and blessings to all, and your pizza will be ready soon. (of course your not in my delivery area so I'll eat it for you and tell you how good it was) :)-->

congrats and I wish I could be there. I hope you have manny happy days together and God blesses you in all ways. :D-->

I wish you all were in my delivery area. I'd deliver a pizza, a drink, and a hug. love you all, thanks for the input. WE'RE the best and don't let anyone tell you anything different.

I couldn't have said it better oenophile!!!!! God bless us everyone

it didn't take me very long. when I questioned what was being taught I was asked to leave so I did. but then I'm a cold hearted b@#$%^d and don't take many things on faith when it's taught by man. a note: in the future when you hear the head preacher and sex with someone other than his wife, RUNNNNNNNNNNNN

it's wonderful to see the posts on this thread. forgiving can be the first part of healing. you are all great people in gods sight and to overcome what was done is a great triumph. much love to you all, papajohn P.S. I never said forget, and that doesn't go hand in hand with forgiving. never forget because when you do, you fall back into that trap. Mark 11 24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them. 25 And when ye stand praying, forgive, if ye have ought against any: that your Father also which is in heaven may forgive you your trespasses. 26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in heaven forgive your trespasses.

thanks for the welcome Roy, I see it too. BackForty it's never the only choice, and I never said forget. who is happy all the time? Steve does someone have to ask for your forgivness before you forgive or do you forgive out of the goodness of your heart? exca maybe I said it wrong, us, we, I, it's just something that was on my heart so I posted it. don't get me wrong, I know I/we went through hell with some of the things that happened to me/us in TWI. I wrote this after I read a ton of posts and other sites about TWI and it seems that people are bent on keeping TWI alive through hate. of course they were wrong for what they (TWI) did, I just don't want people to let it dominate their lives and feel they can't move on. I love this site, it is very healing, and yes it's a need for people to hear the things that have happened. at the same time, if people aren't going to leave after reading everything avalible online now, repeating it over and over again isn't going to help. maybe there should be more posts about what happens after you leave. maybe I'm wrong, maybe not, but I feel it was something "I" needed to say. I love you all and didn't mean any harm to anyone and hope no one took it that way. I repect you all and don't want to deny you your feelings. with much love and many healing hugs, papajohn.