I'm wondering to what extent churches like the Presbyterian or Baptist could sue. There's got to be SOME legal precedent for it; it can't be solely based on who has more money to spend on lawyers. Can it?
I'm wondering to what extent churches like the Presbyterian or Baptist could sue. There's got to be SOME legal precedent for it; it can't be solely based on who has more money to spend on lawyers. Can it?
no, it also has to do with whether or not a church wants to divert money from intended use to pour it into a court battle... so it is a combination of money and integrity. it's way cheaper to choose another name so you can still run your youth groups, support the local domestic violence shelter, sponsor a community gargen, whatever, instead of just supporting a bunch of lawyers. so the bullies win by default because defending legal rights costs A LOT of money.
Good question, johniam. How can anyone really claim to own the words "The Way", when the phrase is (supposedly) referencing Jesus Christ? That was the reasoning behind the name "originally" given - not to say that this IS The Way, but to reference Jesus Christ, who is The Way, and the The Way Nash of New Knoxville was preachin' and teachin' 'bout Jesus Christ.
That was reiterated many times, "We're not saying WE are The Way, we're saying Jesus Christ is The Way". So come there and find out about Him. It. The Way thing.
In a way, (I'm killin' myself!) it's like claiming to own the words "Jesus Christ". While there are many books, religions, philosophies that reference those two words, Christianity certainly lays a major claim to it's use. Viewed that way which is reasonable I think, it's an easy case to make that those two words can't be owned in the legal sense. They describe something or someone and are used by millions of people in different but similar ways. The words "The Way" are considered synonomous with Jesus Christ by millions of Christians now, and past not to mention the millions of others who use it in a religious or philisophical context to represent something or someone.
It might be like laying ownership to the words "The Door", and then suing every hardware store that uses them.
The whole idea of suing people over the use is childish, sophomoric, small minded. Little tiny brains thinkin', thinkin', thinkin', and not coming up with much else to do than try and validate their existence by securing exclusive rights to a couple of words that should signify freedom, a world of possiblities and a new and exciting view of life, not some restrictive ham-handed, strident and over reaching grab at reducing it to one teensy little square of the ground lest anyone walk there without their approval. "OUR Way, OUR Jesus Christ, OUR Bible, NOT YOURS.
It makes them look even worse than they already do, a difficult task but one which they seem to have no end of ways to accomplish.
It's dumb.
I also wonder if The Way Nash of N.K. is primarily interested in stopping those with past affiliation who go on to use the words...? Or just any Tom, Dick or Doris who decides to use it...?
John Hendricks once said that TWI HQ wrote him a letter threatening to sue him. He said he wrote back and reproved them. He has a series of 'To Know God' classes with a very similar format to pfal. They send out 'lights' instead of wows and they just changed the name of their corps program also. I don't think JH's ministry has been sued, but TWI may still be trying to pressure them.
Pressure, that's what we need. More pressure. :blink: A little squeeze in the right spot will get 'em jumpin' to the tune on the right beat.
No doubt what bugs them the most is that people like Hendricks who have left over the years feel that they, not the Wayfers in New Knoxville, are couriers and carriers for the "original" vision of VPW and The Way, who feel that the Way Nashers are religious fish wrap.
Knowing that others consider them errant squatters on the intellectual and spiritual property built by others probably bugs them to no end, thus the scrabbling in the dirt to do something so trite even a tic could see there's no blood there to suck. It's their way of saying "WE OWN THIS, NOT YOU, SEE? IT'S RIGHT HERE IN GREEN AND WHITE". They forget - the reason people left is because they had to get away from the incestuous squalor known as "The Way" of New Knoxville. It's not the name that's the problem, it's them.
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I'm wondering to what extent churches like the Presbyterian or Baptist could sue. There's got to be SOME legal precedent for it; it can't be solely based on who has more money to spend on lawyers. Can it?
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no, it also has to do with whether or not a church wants to divert money from intended use to pour it into a court battle... so it is a combination of money and integrity. it's way cheaper to choose another name so you can still run your youth groups, support the local domestic violence shelter, sponsor a community gargen, whatever, instead of just supporting a bunch of lawyers. so the bullies win by default because defending legal rights costs A LOT of money.
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Good question, johniam. How can anyone really claim to own the words "The Way", when the phrase is (supposedly) referencing Jesus Christ? That was the reasoning behind the name "originally" given - not to say that this IS The Way, but to reference Jesus Christ, who is The Way, and the The Way Nash of New Knoxville was preachin' and teachin' 'bout Jesus Christ.
That was reiterated many times, "We're not saying WE are The Way, we're saying Jesus Christ is The Way". So come there and find out about Him. It. The Way thing.
In a way, (I'm killin' myself!) it's like claiming to own the words "Jesus Christ". While there are many books, religions, philosophies that reference those two words, Christianity certainly lays a major claim to it's use. Viewed that way which is reasonable I think, it's an easy case to make that those two words can't be owned in the legal sense. They describe something or someone and are used by millions of people in different but similar ways. The words "The Way" are considered synonomous with Jesus Christ by millions of Christians now, and past not to mention the millions of others who use it in a religious or philisophical context to represent something or someone.
It might be like laying ownership to the words "The Door", and then suing every hardware store that uses them.
The whole idea of suing people over the use is childish, sophomoric, small minded. Little tiny brains thinkin', thinkin', thinkin', and not coming up with much else to do than try and validate their existence by securing exclusive rights to a couple of words that should signify freedom, a world of possiblities and a new and exciting view of life, not some restrictive ham-handed, strident and over reaching grab at reducing it to one teensy little square of the ground lest anyone walk there without their approval. "OUR Way, OUR Jesus Christ, OUR Bible, NOT YOURS.
It makes them look even worse than they already do, a difficult task but one which they seem to have no end of ways to accomplish.
It's dumb.
I also wonder if The Way Nash of N.K. is primarily interested in stopping those with past affiliation who go on to use the words...? Or just any Tom, Dick or Doris who decides to use it...?
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John Hendricks once said that TWI HQ wrote him a letter threatening to sue him. He said he wrote back and reproved them. He has a series of 'To Know God' classes with a very similar format to pfal. They send out 'lights' instead of wows and they just changed the name of their corps program also. I don't think JH's ministry has been sued, but TWI may still be trying to pressure them.
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Pressure, that's what we need. More pressure. :blink: A little squeeze in the right spot will get 'em jumpin' to the tune on the right beat.
No doubt what bugs them the most is that people like Hendricks who have left over the years feel that they, not the Wayfers in New Knoxville, are couriers and carriers for the "original" vision of VPW and The Way, who feel that the Way Nashers are religious fish wrap.
Knowing that others consider them errant squatters on the intellectual and spiritual property built by others probably bugs them to no end, thus the scrabbling in the dirt to do something so trite even a tic could see there's no blood there to suck. It's their way of saying "WE OWN THIS, NOT YOU, SEE? IT'S RIGHT HERE IN GREEN AND WHITE". They forget - the reason people left is because they had to get away from the incestuous squalor known as "The Way" of New Knoxville. It's not the name that's the problem, it's them.
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Here's one:
http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-kyw.../case_id-62046/
And I definitely remember others. You could probably find the local newspaper articles referenced if you did a search of the Greasespot threads.
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Oooh... someone posted this list on another thread about TWI's lawsuits. It comes from the same site linked above:
Search for: "the way international"
Results 1 - 20 of 20
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August 24, 2007
Way International v. Turner et al DE Unassigned Judge Trademark Trademark Infringement
Plaintiff: Way International; Defendant: Carl A. Turner, Sr., Way Ministries Inc.
August 8, 2007
The Way International et al v. Executive Risk Indemnity Inc. et al OH Southern Rice Insurance Diversity-Insurance Contract
Plaintiff: The Way International, The Way International, Inc.; Defendant: Executive Risk Indemnity Inc., Executive Risk Inc., Chubb & Son, Inc., Baldwin & Whitney Insurance Agency Inc, Acordia Of Ohio LLC and others...
July 13, 2007
The Way International v. The Way Ministries, Inc. et al KY Western Simpson Trademark Trademark Infringement
Plaintiff: The Way International, Inc.; Defendant: The Way Ministries, Inc., Charles Darnell
May 12, 2006
The Way International v. Rose MD Chasanow Copyrights Copyright Infringement
August 16, 2005
The Way International v. Gilmore et al TN Western McCalla Copyrights Copyright Infringement
Speaks volumes, doesn't it?
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