Do you mean Jerry Carr? If so, he's been out for years. From what I understand (and I've heard this from numerous folks who have attended his group), does a very legalistic splinter group in NJ.
GT--yes, he left when he, as many of the limb, region and area guys did, refused to sign loy's loyalty oath in March or April of 89.
He is involved with Geer's class ministry, as far as I know. How legalistic it is--not sure. Is it a gung-ho, "move the Word" kinda thing??? undoubtedly.....
It's Geer's group he's involved with and like many involved with that group, it's their way or the highway! They still think they have all the answers.
no... not from his fellowship.. directly, we've fellowshiped with people from that area like the Guarini's and have gotten together with the Zolezzi's(sp?) and such. great bunch of people. I hear Jerry's wife is pretty sick, so you can all keep her in your prayers.
no way... i agree that there are many people out there who were TRAINED to people worship, but others are just plain thankful. so many people go around in life frustrated, feeling unappreciated... for example,so many of us have lent a helping hand in one way or another to another, and that person never said so much as a thank you, let alone showed any sign of humility... point is, its human nature to crave appreciation.... i know i do.. even in my day to day functioning as a wife and mother. i can't count how many times i catch myself walking around grumbling that no body appreciates what i do around the house; cook, clean all that happy nonsence... thinking it would just FEEL so nice if some one would just say "thanx." the words do not not get spoken often enough! so, dropping the weirwille name here and there should'nt be a problem... people need to get over it already. its like a bad relationship... say your married for some twenty years and there a few children involved(your fruit), and the relationship ends in an ugly devorce... there's infidelity, lies...all that ugly baggage that comes along with divorce. the broken family becomes disfunctional when wounds are not allowed to heal. they walk around saying that it was the biggest waste of their lives, all the heart and emotions invested in the relationship betrayed and gone down the tubes... they become bitter(and we know what that will do to ya!)and it starts to contaminate their children (the fruit of the relationship) as well. it gets to the point where they can't even look at their children without seeing their 'ex' in that child. pretty soon even the relationship with their children begins to deteriorate. its like that with this whole way thing. the 'fruit' we all walked away with was the word of God. that's what we got out of that relationship(or at least should have). (and let's not get on the subject here of whether it was all 'rightly devided' cause it certainly ain't any better prepared and served any where else! there is error any time man is involved... none of us is perfect yet!) there were some good solid principles and foundations laid, (like working the word to make it your own!) so... some walked away from this relationship having been more 'abused' than others... (and i've been in abbusive relationships before... its still the choice I made)but now its time to move on. its only a waste if you allow it to corrupt your relationship with God as well. i've seen that too. got a family member who can't even read the word any more, and won't go near ANY sort of believer. he can still throw a chapter or verse your way, but he's only going through the motions... the joy has been stolen from his heart... the joy that only God's word can bring. its a shame... back to the analogy, you got burned in a bad relationship... so maybe he(it) wasn't mr. right! but take care of that family,(the fruit, which is the word of God, and He promises it will never come back void...and that all things DO work together for him that loves Christ Jesus!) Focus on the good, remain thankful... you have'nt walked away with nothing... it only becomes a waste when you allow the advasary to corrupt what you have left! don't let him mess that up too. we're all still called to a family... and some family members are a little more dissfunctional than others... but we love 'em any ways, don't we! (maybe we wanna slap them around a little and knock some sence into them at times... corse we know that won't work, so we don't...)but God is still at work in you and me dispite the family we came from... dispite our upbringing! we ar'nt babes any more... and don't need to be taught whats right or wrong... we all know in our hearts, cause we have God in Christ in us,and if we stay humble to God, thankful and not arrogant... the seed... the fruit will not become bitter. life is like a box of chocolates... you come across a bad piece every now and then, but you keep looking for the good ones! there in there!!!
ginger... my ideas or thoughts(propaganda) were not meant to offend... they're no powerful influencial oppinions of some influencial somebody... just lil ole me! but... you've raised a few hairs on the back of my neck as well.. and as for that, i must repond... and i will, on another post... since, as you say, this is the 'friend tracker' and not a place to 'speel' my 'ugg'ly thoughts. but it was the thoughts and inspirations of the other posts in this post that inspired me to write in the first place. all this talk about legalism, gung-ho bible preachin splinter groups... and being one whose experienced some of this stuff first hand... (no offense jard...)i thought i may as well put my 2 cents in... sorry... yer right. this is a post on jerry carr's where-abouts and what abouts... P.S. i will respond further to your rebuttal ginger under "being thankful"
For what it's worth, I understand what you're trying to communicate about thankfulness. In other words, when wounds are still open, the slightest touch or irritation can be just as painful as the original injury, and cause a defensive reaction. In human relationships, like the broken family you're describing, lack of forgiveness causes those wounds to continue to fester, and whoever gets near the wound, and touches it, if not ever so gently, is treated as if they were the original offender. Maybe, like the child you mentioned, the only offense is to physically resemble the initial offender, which is all it takes sometimes to also be treated as an offender. I had a step-parent who once resented me for exactly that reason, but that's a story for another thread (maybe your "being thankful" thread, if you decide to post it). A classic case of projection. Most of us can relate, because we?ve also done that same thing in one form or another, though hopefully not to our children. We all have defense mechanisms, though, some healthy, some not, and it's not a bad idea to examine them, which I think is what you're suggesting.
You've stretched your analogy to include the "spiritual" family, saying that we should be stronger than those who offend us -- those who either caused our wounds or irritated them -- by extending forgiveness, thereby protecting our own investment in our relationship with God and others in the "family." Not a bad life's lesson, really, as long as it isn't mandated, and as long as you don't take on the role of the omniscient judge (God's job, right?) and decide for others when and how and if this process should proceed. I think it's enough to take that journey of forgiveness for ourselves without trying to "walk the walk" for others. And I suspect that you agree with me on that, especially if you're following your own path of humility, like you mentioned. Otherwise you'd just end up with a grudge all over again, except this time instead of holding a grudge against the original offender, the grudge is against the original offendee (or victim). It wouldn't make any sense to extend more forgiveness to the offender than to the victim, would it? I don't think you're suggesting that.
For me, the "fruit" I walked away with from The Way doesn't include the teachings, which I've since abandoned, or even the practices, which I've also abandoned. However, I don't regret my involvement. The Way provided a safety net, at a time when I was reeling from life?s indifference. I liked having a purpose, and answers, and formula for living, at least while I was young, before I felt comfortable living with ambiguity and paradox.
Anyway, I know many of the people you've mentioned on this thread, although I haven't been in contact with them for years. I'm glad you've found joy in their company. I once did, too. I see you've only posted a dozen times. I hope you stick around for awhile and get comfortable. Your views may change, as you begin interacting with people whose experiences differ from yours. Welcome to GreaseSpot.
[This message was edited by laleo on January 08, 2004 at 23:01.]
thanx laleo... for not jumping down my throat... and yes, analagies... helps when we look at things from different perspectives...we tend to think our own situations are the one exception, the one no one else could ever understand... and surely its the one thing God forgot to cover in his word... (no new thing under the sun right? ) but when your right smack dab in the middle, things get murky... we suffer from a clasic case of 'woe-ez me.' in desperation at times, we find ourselves comparing our own lives with those 'less fortuate' than us and then breath a sigh of relief, thinking 'at least my life is'nt as bad as that ones' you know... 'could be worse'...while that may get a through some tough times... its still focussing on negatives, and thats not what thankfulness is about...
and on the subject of projection, yes in one way or another we do find ourselves doing just that... so all lil ole me was trying to say was, take a step outside for a bit and reconsider why you feel the way you feel, and be 'criticle' (not fault finding),be bold (its o.k. to consider another belief or perspective... we arn't afraid of 'unbrainwashing' ourselves anymore, or opening our minds up to devil spirits(ha)!)and consider the other sides of the story. why does some one else believe or feel the way they do? there is sound reasoning behind the thoughts of others, even if you don't happen to agree with their views. in the end, you walk away with a broader perspective and you will either be more convinced in your own beliefs, or you will see that maybe in some areas, why you believe what you believe isn't really all that solid...and maybe its time to make a change... or move on.., or whatever...(all broad and not nesasarily specific to any given situation...)
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Ging,
Do you mean Jerry Carr? If so, he's been out for years. From what I understand (and I've heard this from numerous folks who have attended his group), does a very legalistic splinter group in NJ.
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Yep Gingie...
If you mean Jerry Carr, he's been out since the early to mid '90's I think.
I left Jersey in '91, so I think around that time.
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join his group. help support him....
join the show.... what a show>>>>>>>
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Does he have a ministry?
I'm curious about Jerry for my own personal reasons...not because I'd join him, for sure.
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GT--yes, he left when he, as many of the limb, region and area guys did, refused to sign loy's loyalty oath in March or April of 89.
He is involved with Geer's class ministry, as far as I know. How legalistic it is--not sure. Is it a gung-ho, "move the Word" kinda thing??? undoubtedly.....
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Yes Alfie;
It's Geer's group he's involved with and like many involved with that group, it's their way or the highway! They still think they have all the answers.
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My sister and brother in law are in New Jersey
and they are not at all legalistic. All the folks that I know there have a lot of love for people.
I know first hand that their fellowships are a blessing to folks. I have visited my sister often.
I also shun legalism.
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i shun geer
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no legalism there... and no "gun ho" move the word either... where do you get your info?
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lil ole me--can you disagree with the word of geer?? publicly?? guess it kind of depends on what one defines legalism and move the word to be....
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lil ole me, are you from jerry's fellowship?
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no... not from his fellowship.. directly, we've fellowshiped with people from that area like the Guarini's and have gotten together with the Zolezzi's(sp?) and such. great bunch of people. I hear Jerry's wife is pretty sick, so you can all keep her in your prayers.
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Why Lil Ole Me, I like the way you keep your head up and walk in love around here! Bless you!!
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they are all great people, just quote and worship wierwille a bit too much for my liking.
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no way... i agree that there are many people out there who were TRAINED to people worship, but others are just plain thankful. so many people go around in life frustrated, feeling unappreciated... for example,so many of us have lent a helping hand in one way or another to another, and that person never said so much as a thank you, let alone showed any sign of humility... point is, its human nature to crave appreciation.... i know i do.. even in my day to day functioning as a wife and mother. i can't count how many times i catch myself walking around grumbling that no body appreciates what i do around the house; cook, clean all that happy nonsence... thinking it would just FEEL so nice if some one would just say "thanx." the words do not not get spoken often enough! so, dropping the weirwille name here and there should'nt be a problem... people need to get over it already. its like a bad relationship... say your married for some twenty years and there a few children involved(your fruit), and the relationship ends in an ugly devorce... there's infidelity, lies...all that ugly baggage that comes along with divorce. the broken family becomes disfunctional when wounds are not allowed to heal. they walk around saying that it was the biggest waste of their lives, all the heart and emotions invested in the relationship betrayed and gone down the tubes... they become bitter(and we know what that will do to ya!)and it starts to contaminate their children (the fruit of the relationship) as well. it gets to the point where they can't even look at their children without seeing their 'ex' in that child. pretty soon even the relationship with their children begins to deteriorate. its like that with this whole way thing. the 'fruit' we all walked away with was the word of God. that's what we got out of that relationship(or at least should have). (and let's not get on the subject here of whether it was all 'rightly devided' cause it certainly ain't any better prepared and served any where else! there is error any time man is involved... none of us is perfect yet!) there were some good solid principles and foundations laid, (like working the word to make it your own!) so... some walked away from this relationship having been more 'abused' than others... (and i've been in abbusive relationships before... its still the choice I made)but now its time to move on. its only a waste if you allow it to corrupt your relationship with God as well. i've seen that too. got a family member who can't even read the word any more, and won't go near ANY sort of believer. he can still throw a chapter or verse your way, but he's only going through the motions... the joy has been stolen from his heart... the joy that only God's word can bring. its a shame... back to the analogy, you got burned in a bad relationship... so maybe he(it) wasn't mr. right! but take care of that family,(the fruit, which is the word of God, and He promises it will never come back void...and that all things DO work together for him that loves Christ Jesus!) Focus on the good, remain thankful... you have'nt walked away with nothing... it only becomes a waste when you allow the advasary to corrupt what you have left! don't let him mess that up too. we're all still called to a family... and some family members are a little more dissfunctional than others... but we love 'em any ways, don't we! (maybe we wanna slap them around a little and knock some sence into them at times... corse we know that won't work, so we don't...)but God is still at work in you and me dispite the family we came from... dispite our upbringing! we ar'nt babes any more... and don't need to be taught whats right or wrong... we all know in our hearts, cause we have God in Christ in us,and if we stay humble to God, thankful and not arrogant... the seed... the fruit will not become bitter. life is like a box of chocolates... you come across a bad piece every now and then, but you keep looking for the good ones! there in there!!!
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Thanks but no thanks ~
that was the, imho, the worst example of people I know and how they behave and feel after ANY bad experience...unless it made them sick!
thankful? do you really know what being thankful actually is?
the worst part about reading your speel is that people would hold it against their children that they loked like their ex...
they need HELP
Ugg is more like the best response I have to your participating on this thread with any info ~
(Sorry to hear J.C.'s wife is sick though.)
Other than that ~ take a hike with that negative teaching, would you?
Friend finder, as far as I know, isn't a propaganda forum...and not necessarily a friendly forum either.
Geez
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ginger... my ideas or thoughts(propaganda) were not meant to offend... they're no powerful influencial oppinions of some influencial somebody... just lil ole me! but... you've raised a few hairs on the back of my neck as well.. and as for that, i must repond... and i will, on another post... since, as you say, this is the 'friend tracker' and not a place to 'speel' my 'ugg'ly thoughts. but it was the thoughts and inspirations of the other posts in this post that inspired me to write in the first place. all this talk about legalism, gung-ho bible preachin splinter groups... and being one whose experienced some of this stuff first hand... (no offense jard...)i thought i may as well put my 2 cents in... sorry... yer right. this is a post on jerry carr's where-abouts and what abouts... P.S. i will respond further to your rebuttal ginger under "being thankful"
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i have also experienced this first hand. last i heard his wife was doing much better.
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lil ole me:
For what it's worth, I understand what you're trying to communicate about thankfulness. In other words, when wounds are still open, the slightest touch or irritation can be just as painful as the original injury, and cause a defensive reaction. In human relationships, like the broken family you're describing, lack of forgiveness causes those wounds to continue to fester, and whoever gets near the wound, and touches it, if not ever so gently, is treated as if they were the original offender. Maybe, like the child you mentioned, the only offense is to physically resemble the initial offender, which is all it takes sometimes to also be treated as an offender. I had a step-parent who once resented me for exactly that reason, but that's a story for another thread (maybe your "being thankful" thread, if you decide to post it). A classic case of projection. Most of us can relate, because we?ve also done that same thing in one form or another, though hopefully not to our children. We all have defense mechanisms, though, some healthy, some not, and it's not a bad idea to examine them, which I think is what you're suggesting.
You've stretched your analogy to include the "spiritual" family, saying that we should be stronger than those who offend us -- those who either caused our wounds or irritated them -- by extending forgiveness, thereby protecting our own investment in our relationship with God and others in the "family." Not a bad life's lesson, really, as long as it isn't mandated, and as long as you don't take on the role of the omniscient judge (God's job, right?) and decide for others when and how and if this process should proceed. I think it's enough to take that journey of forgiveness for ourselves without trying to "walk the walk" for others. And I suspect that you agree with me on that, especially if you're following your own path of humility, like you mentioned. Otherwise you'd just end up with a grudge all over again, except this time instead of holding a grudge against the original offender, the grudge is against the original offendee (or victim). It wouldn't make any sense to extend more forgiveness to the offender than to the victim, would it? I don't think you're suggesting that.
For me, the "fruit" I walked away with from The Way doesn't include the teachings, which I've since abandoned, or even the practices, which I've also abandoned. However, I don't regret my involvement. The Way provided a safety net, at a time when I was reeling from life?s indifference. I liked having a purpose, and answers, and formula for living, at least while I was young, before I felt comfortable living with ambiguity and paradox.
Anyway, I know many of the people you've mentioned on this thread, although I haven't been in contact with them for years. I'm glad you've found joy in their company. I once did, too. I see you've only posted a dozen times. I hope you stick around for awhile and get comfortable. Your views may change, as you begin interacting with people whose experiences differ from yours. Welcome to GreaseSpot.
[This message was edited by laleo on January 08, 2004 at 23:01.]
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looks like a few of us on here know the carrs and zoelezzis.
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thanx laleo... for not jumping down my throat... and yes, analagies... helps when we look at things from different perspectives...we tend to think our own situations are the one exception, the one no one else could ever understand... and surely its the one thing God forgot to cover in his word... (no new thing under the sun right? ) but when your right smack dab in the middle, things get murky... we suffer from a clasic case of 'woe-ez me.' in desperation at times, we find ourselves comparing our own lives with those 'less fortuate' than us and then breath a sigh of relief, thinking 'at least my life is'nt as bad as that ones' you know... 'could be worse'...while that may get a through some tough times... its still focussing on negatives, and thats not what thankfulness is about...
and on the subject of projection, yes in one way or another we do find ourselves doing just that... so all lil ole me was trying to say was, take a step outside for a bit and reconsider why you feel the way you feel, and be 'criticle' (not fault finding),be bold (its o.k. to consider another belief or perspective... we arn't afraid of 'unbrainwashing' ourselves anymore, or opening our minds up to devil spirits(ha)!)and consider the other sides of the story. why does some one else believe or feel the way they do? there is sound reasoning behind the thoughts of others, even if you don't happen to agree with their views. in the end, you walk away with a broader perspective and you will either be more convinced in your own beliefs, or you will see that maybe in some areas, why you believe what you believe isn't really all that solid...and maybe its time to make a change... or move on.., or whatever...(all broad and not nesasarily specific to any given situation...)
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