Paul: The Day of the Lord: 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 5:1-10
Paul began his prophecy of the Rapture in 1 Thess. 4:13 and ended his prophecy by declaring Christ’s kingdom is saved from the wrath (1 Thess. 5:9, 10). Thus, the “effect” of being saved from the wrath has an unmistakable “cause,” the Rapture.
In the midst of the prophecy, Paul prophesied about the day of the Lord—just as Peter did on Pentecost.
Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. (1 Thess. 5:1, 2)
When Paul prophesied about the day of the Lord coming like a thief in the night, he prophesied about “times and dates,” not the lack of signs.
When Christ prophesied of His return, He said: “Behold, I come like a thief!” (Rev. 16:15).This prophecy is in the context of Armageddon, which is “the battle on the great day of God Almighty” (Rev. 16:14). As prophesied,God will save Israel in this battle.
Who among us would say Armageddon is a “signless” event?
If Christ doesn’t use “thief” to mean a “signless” event, then what right does anyone in His church have to claim that Paul’s use of “thief” means the Rapture is a “signless” event?
Christ and Paul are referring to the same subject, “timing,” not the lack of the signs.
Christ’s reference to a thief speaks not of a quiet return, but of the sudden surprise of His return—just as Paul prophesied of the sudden nature of events pertaining to Christ’s descent during the Rapture: “While people are saying,“Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly,as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape (1 Thess. 5:3).
This thread has applied Christ’s precedent to the prophecies of Peter, Paul, and John. Christ’s precedent is a systematic approach to the New Testament that has no exceptions.TLC: That was a revelation.
From this biblical truth, this truth is evident: the Rapture, accompanied by dramatic heavenly and earthly signs, prior to the wrath, is sound doctrine. Peter, Paul, and John all quoted Old Testament prophets, and each provided different pieces of the prophetic puzzle, painting a unified picture.
If you choose to embrace Christ's precedent, you have His interpretation of our present tense salvation and our future tense salvation.
I will finish this thread by circling back to Matt. 24.
The debate about Matthew 24 concerns the timing of the fulfillment of prophecy: "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Is the "generation" of the first century or a future century? And we know Christ quoted Daniel in Matthew 24.
This thread started by applying Christ’s precedent to Peter, Paul, and John to discern the timing and nature of the Rapture, and will continue by applying the same principle.
We as Christ’s kingdom have the precedent of Christ quoting Old Testament prophets to show the present tense and future tense fulfillment of prophecy. We also have the unmistakable testimony of two witnesses—Christ and Peter—as to why an Old Testament prophet is quoted:
Christ: “This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.” Luke 4.
Peter: “this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.” Acts 2.
Old Testament prophets are quoted in the New Testament to demonstrate the fulfillment of prophecy in light of New Testament revelation. Thus, Christ quoted Daniel in Matthew 24 to show the fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy in the light of Christ’s New Testament revelation.
Yet, also debated is Daniel’s prophecy: Was it 100% fulfilled in the first century or is a portion of Daniel’s prophecy yet to be fulfilled? This adds another layer to the debate.
Thankfully, Christ gave additional revelation to Paul expounding upon His own prophecies in the Gospels. In Romans, Paul quoted an Old Testament prophet and he did so in the light of New Testament revelation—only this revelation speaks of the mystery (the church) and Israel in the same breath. Paul’s prophecy quotes Isaiah which is directly connected to Joel, and all these prophecies tie right into Luke 21, which tie right into Matthew 24. Herein, the prophets and Paul answer the question of the "generation" and the content of the generation. In other words, the answer is already given in the Old Testament, and Paul directed us where to look.
As we know, Paul knew the Old Testament. Christ taught Paul what those Old Testament prophecies meant—for the mystery (the church) and Israel—and Paul (along with Peter and John) taught us.
After Paul’s quote, the thread will go to Matthew 24, and how Christ quoted Isaiah, who prophesied of the day of the Lord.
There will be multiple witnesses from within the Old and New Testaments who are in agreement regarding how to understand Matthew 24, and how it fits with the rest of the Bible. All that reveals this: “This generation shall not pass” cannot be from the first century, but rather, is the generation associated with the fulfillment of end-time prophecy associated with the day of the Lord.
The thread will also look at Peter’s prophecy on Pentecost, how he quoted Joel to answer the question he received, and how it mirrors how Christ responded to the questions He received.
Finally, the thread will end with Daniel’s prophecy.
“Jerusalem will be trampledon by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.At that time they will see the Son of Mancoming in a cloudwith power and great glory.When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (Luke 21: 24b-28)
The question is: when are the times of the Gentiles fulfilled?
In Romans, Christ gave revelation to Paul when he quoted Isaiah, and simultaneously Paul issued a prophecy, and he spoke of the mystery and Israel in the same breath.
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israeluntil the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:“The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;For thisisMy covenant with them, When I take away their sins.” (Rom. 11:25–27)
Paul said, “As it is written…” Christ taught Paul.
The mystery pertains to Christ’s kingdom/church—those who are born again.
Israel, in essence, refers to the followers of Moses (and has nothing to do with the followers of the Christ/the mystery). And Israel is partially blind during the times of the Gentiles.
Note: Jacob was renamed Israel: “And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed” (Gen. 32:27, 28).
Paul revealed this about when the “fullness of the Gentiles has come in”:
1.All Israel will be saved
2. The Deliverer will come out of Zion
3. He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob
4. For thisisMy covenant with them when I take away their sins
Back to what Paul said, “As it is written…”
In Romans 11, Paul quoted Isaiah 59 and Isaiah 27. First Isaiah 59:
So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord.As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith theLord.(Isa. 59:19-21)
The Deliverer/Redeemer shall come out of/to Zion, and deliver Jacob/Israel when the enemy shall come like a flood. This is when the “fullness of the Gentiles come in,” or as Christ prophesied, “whenthe times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.”
Now, look at the greater context of Isaiah’s prophecy of the Redeemer, which identifies when the Deliverer will deliver Israel:
And thou shalt know that I theLordam thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob….The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound;To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; (Isa. 60:16; 61:1, 2)
As we know, Jesus quoted Isa. 61:1, 2a in Luke 4 to proclaim His earthly ministry (the acceptable year of the Lord), but He never quoted “and the day of vengeance of our God” because it was future tense.
And, Paul and Isaiah said the Deliverer come to/out of Zion. When?
Joel already prophesied of it:
Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk…(Joel 3:13-18)
When the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled, “Thy people also shall be all righteous,”“then shall Jerusalem be holy.”
Was Jerusalem made holy in the first century? No. The temple was destroyed.
Finally, in Romans 11, Paul also quoted Isaiah 27: “When I take away their sins.”
Isaiah 27
By this, then, will Jacob’s guilt be atonedfor, and this will be the full fruit of the removal of his sin: (Isa. 27:9)
The context is this:
In that day theLordwill threshfrom the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt,and you, Israel, will be gatheredup one by one.And in that daya great trumpetwill sound. Those who were perishing in Assyria and those who were exiledin Egyptwill come and worshiptheLordon the holy mountainin Jerusalem. (Isa. 27:12, 13)
What will sound? The great trumpet (not the last trumpet).
Christ’s prophecy in Matthew 24 contains prophecy already given in the Old Testament:
Immediately after the distress of those days“‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earthwill mournwhen they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven,with power and great glory.And he will send his angelswith a loud trumpet call,and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. (Matt. 24:29-31)
Christ quoted Isaiah:
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. (Isa.13:9, 10)
Matthew 24:29-31 is in the context of the Day of the Lord. The generation of “this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened” isthe generation of the day of the Lord—which is still future tense.
Peter and Jesus were both questioned. Their responses mirror one another: each presented the present tense fulfillment of prophecy and the future tense fulfillment of prophecy.
Peter
Acts 2:12-21 begins with Peter being asked a question, “What meaneth this?”
PRESENT TENSE FULFILLMENT
Peter answered directly by quoting Joel: “I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh…”
FUTURE TENSE FULFILLMENT
Peter also gave the crowd prophecy that went into future tense fulfillment: “the day of the Lord.”
“What meaneth this?” This is what it means: Our present salvation means future salvation which will come to pass with the arrival of the day of the Lord.
Peter answered a question providing present tense fulfillment, and continued to future tense fulfillment. Christ did likewise. He set the precedent.
Christ
In Luke 21, Christ gave us another precedent: Christ answered the questions of the disciples that addressed the first century fulfillment of prophecy (the destruction of the temple), and he gave them prophecy that would be fulfilled in a future century: Israel’s redemption.
Luke 21
Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, “As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.” “Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?” (Luke 21:5-7)
PRESENT TENSE FULFILLMENT: FIRST CENTURY
Christ answered their questions, culminating in this:
“When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies,you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.For this is the time of punishment in fulfillmentof all that has been written.How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampledon by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21:20-24)
Judgment upon Israel was catastrophic in the first century.
PRESENT TENSE TO FUTURE CENTURY
In one prophecy—“Jerusalem will be trampledon by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled”—Jesus took the crowd from the present century to a future century. Why? Judgment was not the end of God’s plan; redemption would follow in a future century.
FUTURE TENSE FULFILLMENT
“There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.At that time they will see the Son of Mancoming in a cloudwith power and great glory.When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (Luke 21:25-28)
Israel’s redemption will come—with the fulfillment of the times of the Gentiles—and it will come by way of its redeemer: “And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord” (Isa. 59:20)—just as Paul prophesied in Rom. 11.
Just as Christ’s revelation to Paul in Romans 11 shed light on Luke 21 and Matthew 24, Christ’s revelation to Paul in 1 Corinthians did likewise.
Paul said:
[W]e speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (1 Cor. 2:7, 8)
What was the hidden wisdom that Christ revealed to Paul in 1 Corinthians, which—if the rulers of this age understood it—they would not have crucified the Lord of glory?
Christ’s prophecy in Matthew 24 contains prophecy already given in the Old Testament:
Immediately after the distress of those days“‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’“Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earthwill mournwhen they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven,with power and great glory.And he will send his angelswith a loud trumpet call,and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. (Matt. 24:29-31)
Christ quoted Isaiah:
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. (Isa.13:9, 10)
Matthew 24:29-31 is in the context of the Day of the Lord. The generation of “this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened” isthe generation of the day of the Lord—which is still future tense.
Next: Luke 21 Narrative.
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Brother revvel,
In Matthew 24 Christ said in verse 15 : “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),"
Let us take a look at Daniel chapter 9 verse 24 thru 27:
Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, [j]to finish [k]transgression, and [l]to make an end of sins, and to [m]make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and [n]prophecy, and to anoint [o]the most holy. 25 Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto [p]the anointed one, the prince, shall be [q]seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times. 26 And after the threescore and two weeks shall the anointed one be cut off, and [r]shall have nothing: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined. 27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the [s]oblation to cease; and [t]upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
Here are the verses containing Daniel's prophecy of the seventy weeks (of years). It describes the time frame of the second temple being rebuilt in troubled times to the time that the city and sanctuary (Jerusalem & temple) is destroyed and left desolate. So that meansif this is in our future that verse 24 starts out by mentioning the rebuilding of the (second) temple during the time of the release of Israel by the Persians and then in the middle of verse 26 jumps way into the future 2000+years where a 3rd temple is to be built and then destroyed by "the people of the prince that shall come"(supposedly the Antichrist) completely ignoring the destruction of Jerusalem & the second temple(THAT VERSE 24 DESCRIBES AS BEING REBUILT!!!) by the Romans in 70AD. I don't buy it! Talk about confusion. No wonder Jewish people think we're uneducated: http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/daniel-9-a-true-biblical-interpretation/
The city and sanctuary that was destroyed by the people of the prince that shall come was the exact same temple that was mentioned in verse 24...the second temple. The city and sanctuary was destroyed by the Romans under Titus in August of 70AD. So my conclusion is "this generation" mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24 was the same generation he was speaking to at that time. Some there would have been alive & witnessed the destruction of the second temple by the Romans in 70AD.
Always good to hear from you… At the end of this thread we may agree to disagree, but let me continue quoting Christ, the apostles, and prophets. I will get to Daniel right after 1 Corinthians. I will conclude with Daniel and the prophets who prophesied of the same time. In essence, there are multiple witnesses who prophesied of the same time (regarding the abomination)—including Christ Himself.
Paul directly addressed the mystery in 1 Corinthians, just as he did in Romans. In Romans, Paul let us in on the composition of the mystery.
Paul said:
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets,according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith. (Rom. 16:25, 26)
The revelation of the mystery is composed of:
1. What “now is made manifest”
2. “and by the scriptures of the prophets”
And that is exactly what Christ revealed to Paul in 1 Corinthians.
The Mystery in 1 Corinthians
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (1 Cor. 2:6-8)
What was the mystery that Christ revealed to Paul in 1 Corinthians, which—if the rulers of this age understood it—they would not have crucified the Lord of glory?
Paul said:
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass thesaying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (1 Cor. 15:51-55)
Paul revealed a mystery, some of which was revealed to Paul, and some of which was hidden in plain sight in the Old Testament scriptures, “thesaying that is written” (Isaiah and Hosea).
Yet, there is so much more to what Christ revealed in 1 Corinthians—and it’s all tied to the mystery. The bigger picture of what Paul revealed in 1 Corinthians is this: The holy days.
The “last trumpet” sounds on the Feast of Trumpets. It is the first fall holy day (Rosh Hashanah), and speaks of our future tense salvation: “the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
Rosh Hashanah is referred to as Yom Teruah: the “Day of the Sounding of the Shofar (trumpet),” or the “Day of the Awakening Blast.” Teruah means “an awakening blast” and is also translated as “shout.” This day is also referred to as Yom Hakeseh, or the “Day of Hiding” because it was the only holy day that began with a lunar signal: the seventh new moon. No one knew when it would actually appear.
This revelation of the mystery (1 Cor. 15:51-55) is our future tense salvation, but Christ didn’t start and stop with the Feast of Trumpets (the fifth holy day). He revealed God’s plan as found in the Hebrew calendar. Paul revealed four other holy days which speak to our present tense salvation.
For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. (1 Cor. 5:7)
The Feast of Unleavened Bread
For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. (1 Cor. 11:26)
The Feast of First Fruits
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead,the first fruitsof those who have fallen asleep.For since death came through a man,the resurrection of the deadcomes also through a man.For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.But each in turn: Christ, the first fruits;then, when he comes,those who belong to him. (1 Cor. 15:20–23)
The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)
For we were all baptizedbyone Spiritso as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. (1 Cor. 12:13)
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people. (1 Cor. 14:21)
Is it any wonder that Paul declared the prophetic holy days in the very letter that affirms God’s enemies were outwitted and defeated?
The first four holy days are the spring holy days. With His first coming, the Messiah fulfilled them: Jesus, the “Lamb of God” (John 1:29), was sacrificed on Passover. He was in the burial tomb on the Feast of Unleavened Bread; He was resurrected from the dead on the Feast of First fruits; and, finally, Christ sent the Holy Spirit to His apostles on the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), which was 50 days after the Resurrection. These events occurred as appointed by God.
In the future, Christ’s kingdom will be raptured according to the same divine timetable. The kingdom will be transported to Heaven on the fifth holy day: the Feast of Trumpets.
Satan was clueless that a mystery was hidden in the holy days, and had he known….
Compare Moses (Leviticus 23) to Paul’s terminology.
Note: the seventh holy feast is the Feast of Tabernacles. It applies to the millennial kingdom, which comes to pass after Israel’s redemption. As Zechariah prophesied: “And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one….Then the survivorsfrom all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worshipthe King,the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles” (Zech. 14:9-16).
Note: This subject of the holy days is in Treasures in Heaven: Chapter 8 and in the Epilogue. The book is free on my site: thetimeline.org.
Next: Just as Paul's revelation in Romans 11 shed light on Luke 21 and Matthew 24, so this revelation of 1 Corinthians sheds light on Christ’s prophecies in Luke 21 and Matthew 24... especially Christ's quote of Daniel.
Christ revealed a mystery: The plan of salvation and redemption is, and will be, according to the Hebrew calendar.
The holy day after the Feast of Trumpets is the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). The Old Testament prophets who prophesied of Israel’s future redemption and removal of sins, all use terminology and prophecies that tie into this holy day of Atonement—as does Daniel’s prophecy that Christ quoted in Matthew 24. In essence, the Day of Atonement speaks of Atonement for Israel.
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israeluntil the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For thisisMy covenant with them, When I take away their sins.” (Rom. 11:25–27)
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For thisisMy covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”
On a future Day of Atonement, this prophecy will come to pass.
Next and finally: Christ, Daniel, Jeremiah, and Joel
Looking back, from the vantage point of the Old Testament...
just as the spring holy days would have a future tense fulfillment (fulfilled in the first century), so the fall holy days would have a future tense fulfillment (beyond the first century).
The end of this thread is about this: Christ’s quote of Daniel’s prophecy in Matthew 24 is directly connected to the future fulfillment of the sixth holy day: the Day of Atonement, atonement for Israel. And this cannot come to pass until after the future fulfillment of the fifth holy day: the Feast of Trumpets, which is the Rapture.
Terminology and prophecy about the Day of Atonement is throughout the Bible, and sets the stage to understand Matthew 24.
MOSES: ANNUAL DAY OF ATONEMENT
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you: For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the Lord. It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever. And the priest, whom he shall anoint, and whom he shall consecrate to minister in the priest's office in his father's stead, shall make the atonement, and shall put on the linen clothes, even the holy garments: And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation. And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the Lord commanded Moses. (Lev. 16:29-34)
This annual Day would ultimately have a future fulfillment.
The future tense fulfillment of the Day of Atonement is in the Old Testament—which includes Daniel’s prophecy, along with Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Joel.
THE DAY OF ATONEMENT: FUTURE TENSE FULFILLMENT
On a future Day of Atonement, Christ the high priest will make atonement for Israel—once and for all. Prophecies associated with Christ’s second coming to Israel include atonement, a resurrection (of Israel), judgment, and renewal. This includes Christ’s prophecies in Matthew and Luke:
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19:28)
When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table.And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.” After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”… “And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Luke 22:14-18; 29, 30)
The apostles will judge the 12 tribes. They will sit at the table of their Lord when He sits upon the throne of His glory in His kingdom—which is still future tense.
This judgment of Israel will come to pass in the “regeneration.” This judgment will follow the resurrection of the twelve tribes, as prophesied by Daniel and Ezekiel. Ezekiel’s prophecy is in the context of the future fulfillment of the Day of Atonement, and thus so is Daniel’s prophecy of Israel’s resurrection.
Prior to receiving questions in Matthew 24, Christ prophesied of the time of “regeneration” and future judgment of Israel.
Matthew 19
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19:28)
Christ connected regeneration/restoration with judgment (which follows the resurrection of Israel).
Acts 1
Christ receives a question from the apostles regarding the same subject: Restoration/Regeneration of the Kingdom of Israel:
Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.” (Acts 1:6, 7)
Christ had already prophesied of the restoration, and now the apostles were looking to see if this (the first century) was that time. Obviously, it is still future tense to this day.
Between Matthew 19 and Acts 1 there is Matthew 24—and 3 questions, and a quote from Daniel.
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be?and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (Matt. 24:1-3)
1. Tell us, when shall these things be?
The temple destruction occurred in the first century.
The apostles asked 2 more questions:
2. what shall be the sign of thy coming?
Why did the apostles ask this question?
Because Christ had just issued this prophecy: Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord (Matt. 23:39).
……The apostles asked, what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?...
And Christ issued prophecies, and quoted 2 of Daniel’s prophecies in the process:
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened…. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven.(Matt. 24:15-22, 29, 30)
Christ quotes Daniel from Chapters 9 and 12.
Daniel (Dan. 9:24-27)
“Seventy ‘sevens’are decreed for your people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy…..After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to deathand will have nothing.The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood:War will continue until the end, and desolationshave been decreed.He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’In the middle of the ‘seven’he will put an end to sacrifice and offering.And at the templehe will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreedis poured out on him.” (Dan. 9:24-27)
“Seventy ‘sevens’are decreed for your people.” This is Daniel’s people, Israel.
What Daniel describes is exactly what comes to pass on the most solemn day of the Hebrew calendar: The Day of Atonement, which is to make reconciliation for iniquity.
Daniel’s prophecy is the same as Paul’s prophecy in Romans 11 and Isaiah’s prophecy.
Daniel: to make reconciliation for iniquity
Paul: turn away ungodliness from Jacob, when I shall take away their sins. (Rom. 11:25-27)
Isaiah: Jacob’s guilt be atoned for, the removal of his sin, Israel, will be gathered (Isa. 27:9-13)
Isaiah and Daniel are both prophesying of atonement, looking forward… but the fact that a mystery was hidden in the holy days kept the Old Testament prophecies from being fully understood—until Paul revealed it to us in Romans and 1 Corinthians (the holy days). Paul is giving us perspective looking back in time through the lens of the mystery.
All of this comes to pass at the fulfillment of the seventieth seven, which will coincide with the future fulfillment of the Day of Atonement.
On a future Day of Atonement, Christ’s prophecy will come to pass: “Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.” That is His second coming to Israel to restore the kingdom.
This is only half the story of the future Day of Atonement. Christ completes the story of the Day of Atonement by quoting Daniel 12 in Matthew 24. By quoting Daniel 12, Christ Himself marks the “time” of the fulfillment of the seventieth seven—and it cannot be the first century.
Christ had already prophesied of the coming “regeneration” (Matt. 19) and in Matt. 24, He did so again.
Next: Mathew 24 & Daniel 12: Israel’s Resurrection and Judgment and Atonement
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened…. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven. (Matt. 24:21-30)
Christ quoted Daniel 12
Daniel (12:1-3)
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. (Dan. 12:1-3)
By connecting Daniel Chapter 12 with Daniel Chapter 9, Christ Himself revealed when the seventieth seven will be fulfilled/when the abomination that causes desolation shall come to pass: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
At this unprecedented time, this will come to pass:
1. “and at that time thy people shall be delivered."
2. “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
Awaking from sleeping in the dust of the earth is a resurrection of “thy people,” followed by judgment (by the 12 apostles).
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19:28)
Judgment follows the resurrection of Israel, which is at the time of regeneration, which is still future tense.
By quoting Daniel, Christ marked time: a unique, unprecedented time. It is the time of:
1. The Abomination that causes desolation
2. His coming (in the name of the Lord)
3. Israel’s gathering, resurrection, and judgment
4. Atonement for Jacob/Israel (The Day of Atonement fulfilled)
5. Regeneration/Restoration of Israel’s Kingdom
To show all this, Christ quoted Daniel, and in doing so, expounded upon this prophecy: Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord... This prophecy will come to pass with the fulfillment of the seventieth seven... which is still future tense.
Next: Daniel and Ezekiel: The Resurrection of Israel and The Day of Atonement
Daniel & Ezekiel: The Resurrection of Israel and the Day of Atonement
Of the many prophecies that refer to the second coming of Christ to the Holy Land, one given by the prophet Ezekiel makes specific reference to the priestly responsibility that takes place on the sixth holy day, the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). God prophesied of Israel’s gathering and cleansing:
For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land.I will sprinkleclean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanseyou from all your impuritiesand from all your idols.I will give you a new heartand put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stoneand give you a heart of flesh.And I will put my Spiritin you and move you to follow my decreesand be careful to keep my laws.Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors; you will be my people,and I will be your God. (Ezek. 36:24–28)
Ezekiel then prophesied of Israel’s resurrection:
The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest. Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord… Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves,O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord. (Ezek. 37:1-14)
Daniel issued the same prophecy of the future resurrection of Daniel’s people, Israel (Dan. 12:1-3).
Daniel is the one prophet who specifically marks time about this event: “and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time,” which Christ did as well (Matt. 24:21).
In Revelation, there is a seven-year prophecy that commences with the two prophets of God:
“And I [God] will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth” (Rev. 11:3). (1260 days is exactly 3.5 years on the Hebrew calendar: 30 days/month x 42 months = 1260 days.)
The second 3.5 years is the reign of the Antichrist (beast) and second beast (false prophet): “The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months” (Rev. 13:5).
Daniel: 7-year prophecy
He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’In the middle of the ‘seven’he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the templehe will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreedis poured out on him.” (Dan. 9:27)
Daniel’s seven-year prophecy is divided by 2: 3.5 years + 3.5 years.
John’s seven-year prophecy is divided by 2: 3.5 years + 3.5 years.
Coincidence?
The testimony of Christ and Peter—as discussed earlier in this thread—say otherwise.
Matthew 24
Christ quoted Daniel 9 and 12 in Matthew 24 to show the fulfillment of prophecy—the seven-year prophecy that ends with Israel being gathered, resurrected, and judged.
Revelation 19
Revelation 19 is the end of the Antichrist’s reign, and it is the end of John’s seven-year prophecy.
Seven-year Prophecy
Matthew 24 and Revelation 19 both mark the end of a seven-year prophecy: the same one.
Christ’s Precedent
This thread started with Christ’s precedent: His testimony. In Luke 4, Christ quoted Isaiah 61:1, 2a to herald the fulfillment of prophecy (His first coming to Israel). He never read 61:2b, because it heralds His second coming to Israel: “the day of vengeance of our God.”
Christ is the one who handed us this precedent in Isaiah of splitting a prophecy to demonstrate the differing times of the fulfillment. If he did it once, He can do it again—and He did in Matthew 24.
At the beginning of His ministry, Christ quoted Isaiah to reveal His first coming to Israel. At the end of His ministry, He quoted Daniel to reveal His second coming to Israel when Israel is resurrected as revealed in Daniel 12.
The last verse of Daniel Chapter 12 speaks to Daniel directly: “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”The resurrection of Daniel and Israel is “at the end of days” and that marks the fulfillment of the seventieth seven in Matthew 24 and the Day of Atonement for Israel.
In Revelation, there is a seven-year prophecy that commences with the two prophets of God:
“And I [God] will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth” (Rev. 11:3). (1260 days is exactly 3.5 years on the Hebrew calendar: 30 days/month x 42 months = 1260 days.)
The second 3.5 years is the reign of the Antichrist (beast) and second beast (false prophet): “The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months” (Rev. 13:5).
Daniel: 7-year prophecy
He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’In the middle of the ‘seven’he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the templehe will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreedis poured out on him.” (Dan. 9:27)
Daniel’s seven-year prophecy is divided by 2: 3.5 years + 3.5 years.
John’s seven-year prophecy is divided by 2: 3.5 years + 3.5 years.
Coincidence?
The testimony of Christ and Peter—as discussed earlier in this thread—say otherwise.
Matthew 24
Christ quoted Daniel 9 and 12 in Matthew 24 to show the fulfillment of prophecy—the seven-year prophecy that ends with Israel being gathered, resurrected, and judged.
Revelation 19
Revelation 19 is the end of the Antichrist’s reign, and it is the end of John’s seven-year prophecy.
Seven-year Prophecy
Matthew 24 and Revelation 19 both mark the end of a seven-year prophecy: the same one.
Christ’s Precedent
This thread started with Christ’s precedent: His testimony. In Luke 4, Christ quoted Isaiah 61:1, 2a to herald the fulfillment of prophecy (His first coming to Israel). He never read 61:2b, because it heralds His second coming to Israel: “the day of vengeance of our God.”
Christ is the one who handed us this precedent in Isaiah of splitting a prophecy to demonstrate the differing times of the fulfillment. If he did it once, He can do it again—and He did in Matthew 24.
At the beginning of His ministry, Christ quoted Isaiah to reveal His first coming to Israel. At the end of His ministry, He quoted Daniel to reveal His second coming to Israel when Israel is resurrected as revealed in Daniel 12.
The last verse of Daniel Chapter 12 speaks to Daniel directly: “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.”The resurrection of Daniel and Israel is “at the end of days” and that marks the fulfillment of the seventieth seven in Matthew 24 and the Day of Atonement for Israel.
The End
God bless you.
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revvel,
I just want to point out something mentioned in Luke 21 and how it parallels the passage that you mentioned in Luke 4 where Christ quoted Isaiah 61: 1,2 but left out the last part of verse 2 about the "day of vengeance." Here is Luke 21 verses 20 thru 23:
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
I could be wrong but most people seem to agree that these passages refer to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. Notice verse 22.
Peter: Peter was a lowerclass fisherman from Galilee, one of the most illiterate places in the world during a time when literacy was very low in general, even among town notaries. He could not write. He didn't write. There are a half dozen similarly dated books of Peter (Gospel of Peter, Apocalypse of Peter, etc). Writing books in the name of Peter was a cottage industry.
Paul: Only 7 of the Pauline epistles were penned by the same person (Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, and Philemon), the remainder are either likely forgeries or certain forgeries. At any rate, Paul was not a witness to the acts of words of Jesus and never met Jesus. He saw him in a vision much later.
John: John had his own competing ministry according to the earliest manuscripts. He is not named as the author of the gospel in his name. The only mention within the text of an author is "the beloved disciple" at the crucifixion. The only person who was referred to as that anywhere was Lazarus. The book of John dates no earlier than c. 95 AD and has a very different view of Jesus than the earlier texts, including Paul's letters. It has a different trial for Jesus and the only "high" view of Jesus's divinity. Anything that might suggest Jesus was divine, or rather, claimed to be divine, comes from this very late book.
In short, I would be cautious of basing any belief on the latest, most dubious, most different texts of the modern New Testament alone. It's ok to say "I don't know".
Luke 21:24b is the transition to a future century.. as understood through the lens of the mystery as given to Paul in Romans 11. During this time Israel is partially blind.
Luke 21:25-28 is yet to be fulfilled
I addressed that earlier on this page:
On 6/21/2017 at 9:09 PM, revvel said:
In Luke 21, Christ gave us another precedent: Christ answered the questions of the disciples that addressed the first century fulfillment of prophecy (the destruction of the temple), and he gave them prophecy that would be fulfilled in a future century: Israel’s redemption.
Luke 21
Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, “As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.” “Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?” (Luke 21:5-7)
PRESENT TENSE FULFILLMENT: FIRST CENTURY
Christ answered their questions, culminating in this:
“When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies,you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city.For this is the time of punishment in fulfillmentof all that has been written.How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people.They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampledon by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21:20-24)
Judgment upon Israel was catastrophic in the first century.
PRESENT TENSE TO FUTURE CENTURY
In one prophecy—“Jerusalem will be trampledon by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled”—Jesus took the crowd from the present century to a future century. Why? Judgment was not the end of God’s plan; redemption would follow in a future century.
FUTURE TENSE FULFILLMENT
“There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.At that time they will see the Son of Mancoming in a cloudwith power and great glory.When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (Luke 21:25-28)
Israel’s redemption will come—with the fulfillment of the times of the Gentiles—and it will come by way of its redeemer: “And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord” (Isa. 59:20)—just as Paul prophesied in Rom. 11.
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On 6/17/2017 at 11:22 PM, revvel said:
In Luke 21, Christ issued this prophecy:
“Jerusalem will be trampledon by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea.People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken.At that time they will see the Son of Mancoming in a cloudwith power and great glory.When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (Luke 21: 24b-28)
The question is: when are the times of the Gentiles fulfilled?
In Romans, Christ gave revelation to Paul when he quoted Isaiah, and simultaneously Paul issued a prophecy, and he spoke of the mystery and Israel in the same breath.
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israeluntil the fullness of the Gentiles has come in.And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written:“The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;For thisisMy covenant with them, When I take away their sins.” (Rom. 11:25–27)
Paul said, “As it is written…” Christ taught Paul.
The mystery pertains to Christ’s kingdom/church—those who are born again.
Israel, in essence, refers to the followers of Moses (and has nothing to do with the followers of the Christ/the mystery). And Israel is partially blind during the times of the Gentiles.
Note: Jacob was renamed Israel: “And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed” (Gen. 32:27, 28).
Paul revealed this about when the “fullness of the Gentiles has come in”:
1.All Israel will be saved
2. The Deliverer will come out of Zion
3. He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob
4. For thisisMy covenant with them when I take away their sins
I want you to know, brothers and sisters,that the gospel I preachedis not of human origin.I did not receive it from any man,nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelationfrom Jesus Christ. (Gal. 1:11, 12)
Regarding the Scriptures (including Peter), Paul testified:
All Scripture is God-breathedand is useful for teaching,rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness,so that the servant of Godmay be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Tim. 3:16)
Regarding God and the Scriptures:
This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord,was confirmed to us by those who heard him.God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles,and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will. (Heb. 2:3, 4)
The supernatural (Creator) testifies to the natural realm via the supernatural: signs, wonders and various miracles,and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will. I can testify to it.
We can agree to disagree on the authority of the Scriptures, and God testifying to it.
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Haha, I bet those 3 at the time didn't realize they were doing themselves a favor. If anyone else who knew Fanning and the other 2 please reply. I'm interested in knowing what the "odd" belief wa
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Peter: Peter was a lowerclass fisherman from Galilee, one of the most illiterate places in the world during a time when literacy was very low in general, even among town notaries. He could not write.
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so... when do you get to the part about your revelation?
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TLC: The answer to your question is in my first post.
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Paul: The Day of the Lord: 1 Thess. 4:13-18; 5:1-10
Paul began his prophecy of the Rapture in 1 Thess. 4:13 and ended his prophecy by declaring Christ’s kingdom is saved from the wrath (1 Thess. 5:9, 10). Thus, the “effect” of being saved from the wrath has an unmistakable “cause,” the Rapture.
In the midst of the prophecy, Paul prophesied about the day of the Lord—just as Peter did on Pentecost.
Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. (1 Thess. 5:1, 2)
When Paul prophesied about the day of the Lord coming like a thief in the night, he prophesied about “times and dates,” not the lack of signs.
When Christ prophesied of His return, He said: “Behold, I come like a thief!” (Rev. 16:15). This prophecy is in the context of Armageddon, which is “the battle on the great day of God Almighty” (Rev. 16:14). As prophesied, God will save Israel in this battle.
Who among us would say Armageddon is a “signless” event?
If Christ doesn’t use “thief” to mean a “signless” event, then what right does anyone in His church have to claim that Paul’s use of “thief” means the Rapture is a “signless” event?
Christ and Paul are referring to the same subject, “timing,” not the lack of the signs.
Christ’s reference to a thief speaks not of a quiet return, but of the sudden surprise of His return—just as Paul prophesied of the sudden nature of events pertaining to Christ’s descent during the Rapture: “While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape (1 Thess. 5:3).
This thread has applied Christ’s precedent to the prophecies of Peter, Paul, and John. Christ’s precedent is a systematic approach to the New Testament that has no exceptions. TLC: That was a revelation.
From this biblical truth, this truth is evident: the Rapture, accompanied by dramatic heavenly and earthly signs, prior to the wrath, is sound doctrine. Peter, Paul, and John all quoted Old Testament prophets, and each provided different pieces of the prophetic puzzle, painting a unified picture.
If you choose to embrace Christ's precedent, you have His interpretation of our present tense salvation and our future tense salvation.
I will finish this thread by circling back to Matt. 24.
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For those who might not know, this thread came out of my other thread: Treasures in Heaven.
Treasures in Heaven is free book on my site thetimeline.org
Chapter 4 of the book addresses the details of the Rapture.
“The Epilogue: The Chronology of Prophecy” addresses the numbered chronology in Revelation, which includes the Rapture and Armageddon.
I’ll be back next week on Matt. 24.
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The debate about Matthew 24 concerns the timing of the fulfillment of prophecy: "this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened." Is the "generation" of the first century or a future century? And we know Christ quoted Daniel in Matthew 24.
This thread started by applying Christ’s precedent to Peter, Paul, and John to discern the timing and nature of the Rapture, and will continue by applying the same principle.
We as Christ’s kingdom have the precedent of Christ quoting Old Testament prophets to show the present tense and future tense fulfillment of prophecy. We also have the unmistakable testimony of two witnesses—Christ and Peter—as to why an Old Testament prophet is quoted:
Christ: “This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.” Luke 4.
Peter: “this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel.” Acts 2.
Old Testament prophets are quoted in the New Testament to demonstrate the fulfillment of prophecy in light of New Testament revelation. Thus, Christ quoted Daniel in Matthew 24 to show the fulfillment of Daniel’s prophecy in the light of Christ’s New Testament revelation.
Yet, also debated is Daniel’s prophecy: Was it 100% fulfilled in the first century or is a portion of Daniel’s prophecy yet to be fulfilled? This adds another layer to the debate.
Thankfully, Christ gave additional revelation to Paul expounding upon His own prophecies in the Gospels. In Romans, Paul quoted an Old Testament prophet and he did so in the light of New Testament revelation—only this revelation speaks of the mystery (the church) and Israel in the same breath. Paul’s prophecy quotes Isaiah which is directly connected to Joel, and all these prophecies tie right into Luke 21, which tie right into Matthew 24. Herein, the prophets and Paul answer the question of the "generation" and the content of the generation. In other words, the answer is already given in the Old Testament, and Paul directed us where to look.
As we know, Paul knew the Old Testament. Christ taught Paul what those Old Testament prophecies meant—for the mystery (the church) and Israel—and Paul (along with Peter and John) taught us.
After Paul’s quote, the thread will go to Matthew 24, and how Christ quoted Isaiah, who prophesied of the day of the Lord.
There will be multiple witnesses from within the Old and New Testaments who are in agreement regarding how to understand Matthew 24, and how it fits with the rest of the Bible. All that reveals this: “This generation shall not pass” cannot be from the first century, but rather, is the generation associated with the fulfillment of end-time prophecy associated with the day of the Lord.
The thread will also look at Peter’s prophecy on Pentecost, how he quoted Joel to answer the question he received, and how it mirrors how Christ responded to the questions He received.
Finally, the thread will end with Daniel’s prophecy.
Next: Paul’s quote of Isaiah.
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In Luke 21, Christ issued this prophecy:
“Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (Luke 21: 24b-28)
The question is: when are the times of the Gentiles fulfilled?
In Romans, Christ gave revelation to Paul when he quoted Isaiah, and simultaneously Paul issued a prophecy, and he spoke of the mystery and Israel in the same breath.
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.” (Rom. 11:25–27)
Paul said, “As it is written…” Christ taught Paul.
The mystery pertains to Christ’s kingdom/church—those who are born again.
Israel, in essence, refers to the followers of Moses (and has nothing to do with the followers of the Christ/the mystery). And Israel is partially blind during the times of the Gentiles.
Note: Jacob was renamed Israel: “And he said unto him, What is thy name? And he said, Jacob. And he said, Thy name shall be called no more Jacob, but Israel: for as a prince hast thou power with God and with men, and hast prevailed” (Gen. 32:27, 28).
Paul revealed this about when the “fullness of the Gentiles has come in”:
1. All Israel will be saved
2. The Deliverer will come out of Zion
3. He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob
4. For this is My covenant with them when I take away their sins
Back to what Paul said, “As it is written…”
In Romans 11, Paul quoted Isaiah 59 and Isaiah 27. First Isaiah 59:
So shall they fear the name of the Lord from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the Lord shall lift up a standard against him. And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord. As for me, this is my covenant with them, saith the Lord. (Isa. 59:19-21)
The Deliverer/Redeemer shall come out of/to Zion, and deliver Jacob/Israel when the enemy shall come like a flood. This is when the “fullness of the Gentiles come in,” or as Christ prophesied, “when the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled.”
Now, look at the greater context of Isaiah’s prophecy of the Redeemer, which identifies when the Deliverer will deliver Israel:
And thou shalt know that I the Lord am thy Saviour and thy Redeemer, the mighty One of Jacob….The Spirit of the Lord God is upon me; because the Lord hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord, and the day of vengeance of our God; (Isa. 60:16; 61:1, 2)
As we know, Jesus quoted Isa. 61:1, 2a in Luke 4 to proclaim His earthly ministry (the acceptable year of the Lord), but He never quoted “and the day of vengeance of our God” because it was future tense.
And, Paul and Isaiah said the Deliverer come to/out of Zion. When?
Joel already prophesied of it:
Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision. The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining. The Lord also shall roar out of Zion, and utter his voice from Jerusalem; and the heavens and the earth shall shake: but the Lord will be the hope of his people, and the strength of the children of Israel. So shall ye know that I am the Lord your God dwelling in Zion, my holy mountain: then shall Jerusalem be holy, and there shall no strangers pass through her any more. And it shall come to pass in that day, that the mountains shall drop down new wine, and the hills shall flow with milk… (Joel 3:13-18)
When the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled, “Thy people also shall be all righteous,” “then shall Jerusalem be holy.”
Was Jerusalem made holy in the first century? No. The temple was destroyed.
Finally, in Romans 11, Paul also quoted Isaiah 27: “When I take away their sins.”
Isaiah 27
By this, then, will Jacob’s guilt be atoned for, and this will be the full fruit of the removal of his sin: (Isa. 27:9)
The context is this:
In that day the Lord will thresh from the flowing Euphrates to the Wadi of Egypt, and you, Israel, will be gathered up one by one. And in that day a great trumpet will sound. Those who were perishing in Assyria and those who were exiled in Egypt will come and worship the Lord on the holy mountain in Jerusalem. (Isa. 27:12, 13)
What will sound? The great trumpet (not the last trumpet).
Who will be gathered? Israel.
Next: Matthew 24:29-31
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Christ’s prophecy in Matthew 24 contains prophecy already given in the Old Testament:
Immediately after the distress of those days “‘the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from the sky, and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.’ “Then will appear the sign of the Son of Man in heaven. And then all the peoples of the earth will mourn when they see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory.And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other. (Matt. 24:29-31)
Christ quoted Isaiah:
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it. For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine. (Isa.13:9, 10)
Matthew 24:29-31 is in the context of the Day of the Lord. The generation of “this generation will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened” is the generation of the day of the Lord—which is still future tense.
Next: Luke 21 Narrative.
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Acts 2 & Luke 21: Christ’s Precedent
Peter and Jesus were both questioned. Their responses mirror one another: each presented the present tense fulfillment of prophecy and the future tense fulfillment of prophecy.
Peter
Acts 2:12-21 begins with Peter being asked a question, “What meaneth this?”
PRESENT TENSE FULFILLMENT
Peter answered directly by quoting Joel: “I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh…”
FUTURE TENSE FULFILLMENT
Peter also gave the crowd prophecy that went into future tense fulfillment: “the day of the Lord.”
“What meaneth this?” This is what it means: Our present salvation means future salvation which will come to pass with the arrival of the day of the Lord.
Peter answered a question providing present tense fulfillment, and continued to future tense fulfillment. Christ did likewise. He set the precedent.
Christ
In Luke 21, Christ gave us another precedent: Christ answered the questions of the disciples that addressed the first century fulfillment of prophecy (the destruction of the temple), and he gave them prophecy that would be fulfilled in a future century: Israel’s redemption.
Luke 21
Some of his disciples were remarking about how the temple was adorned with beautiful stones and with gifts dedicated to God. But Jesus said, “As for what you see here, the time will come when not one stone will be left on another; every one of them will be thrown down.” “Teacher,” they asked, “when will these things happen? And what will be the sign that they are about to take place?” (Luke 21:5-7)
PRESENT TENSE FULFILLMENT: FIRST CENTURY
Christ answered their questions, culminating in this:
“When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! There will be great distress in the land and wrath against this people. They will fall by the sword and will be taken as prisoners to all the nations. Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled. (Luke 21:20-24)
Judgment upon Israel was catastrophic in the first century.
PRESENT TENSE TO FUTURE CENTURY
In one prophecy—“Jerusalem will be trampled on by the Gentiles until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled”—Jesus took the crowd from the present century to a future century. Why? Judgment was not the end of God’s plan; redemption would follow in a future century.
FUTURE TENSE FULFILLMENT
“There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. People will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near.” (Luke 21:25-28)
Israel’s redemption will come—with the fulfillment of the times of the Gentiles—and it will come by way of its redeemer: “And the Redeemer shall come to Zion, and unto them that turn from transgression in Jacob, saith the Lord” (Isa. 59:20)—just as Paul prophesied in Rom. 11.
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Just as Christ’s revelation to Paul in Romans 11 shed light on Luke 21 and Matthew 24, Christ’s revelation to Paul in 1 Corinthians did likewise.
Paul said:
[W]e speak of God’s secret wisdom, a wisdom that has been hidden and that God destined for our glory before time began. None of the rulers of this age understood it, for if they had, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (1 Cor. 2:7, 8)
What was the hidden wisdom that Christ revealed to Paul in 1 Corinthians, which—if the rulers of this age understood it—they would not have crucified the Lord of glory?
Next: 1 Corinthians, then Daniel.
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Brother revvel,
In Matthew 24 Christ said in verse 15 : “So when you see the abomination of desolation spoken of by the prophet Daniel, standing in the holy place (let the reader understand),"
Let us take a look at Daniel chapter 9 verse 24 thru 27:
Seventy weeks are decreed upon thy people and upon thy holy city, [j]to finish [k]transgression, and [l]to make an end of sins, and to [m]make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up vision and [n]prophecy, and to anoint [o]the most holy. 25 Know therefore and discern, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto [p]the anointed one, the prince, shall be [q]seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: it shall be built again, with street and moat, even in troublous times. 26 And after the threescore and two weeks shall the anointed one be cut off, and [r]shall have nothing: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and even unto the end shall be war; desolations are determined. 27 And he shall make a firm covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the [s]oblation to cease; and [t]upon the wing of abominations shall come one that maketh desolate; and even unto the full end, and that determined, shall wrath be poured out upon the desolate.
Here are the verses containing Daniel's prophecy of the seventy weeks (of years). It describes the time frame of the second temple being rebuilt in troubled times to the time that the city and sanctuary (Jerusalem & temple) is destroyed and left desolate. So that means if this is in our future that verse 24 starts out by mentioning the rebuilding of the (second) temple during the time of the release of Israel by the Persians and then in the middle of verse 26 jumps way into the future 2000+years where a 3rd temple is to be built and then destroyed by "the people of the prince that shall come"(supposedly the Antichrist) completely ignoring the destruction of Jerusalem & the second temple(THAT VERSE 24 DESCRIBES AS BEING REBUILT!!!) by the Romans in 70AD. I don't buy it! Talk about confusion. No wonder Jewish people think we're uneducated: http://jewsforjudaism.org/knowledge/articles/daniel-9-a-true-biblical-interpretation/
The city and sanctuary that was destroyed by the people of the prince that shall come was the exact same temple that was mentioned in verse 24...the second temple. The city and sanctuary was destroyed by the Romans under Titus in August of 70AD. So my conclusion is "this generation" mentioned by Jesus in Matthew 24 was the same generation he was speaking to at that time. Some there would have been alive & witnessed the destruction of the second temple by the Romans in 70AD.
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Hello Brother Infoabsorption,
Always good to hear from you… At the end of this thread we may agree to disagree, but let me continue quoting Christ, the apostles, and prophets. I will get to Daniel right after 1 Corinthians. I will conclude with Daniel and the prophets who prophesied of the same time. In essence, there are multiple witnesses who prophesied of the same time (regarding the abomination)—including Christ Himself.
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Romans & 1 Corinthians
Paul directly addressed the mystery in 1 Corinthians, just as he did in Romans. In Romans, Paul let us in on the composition of the mystery.
Paul said:
Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith. (Rom. 16:25, 26)
The revelation of the mystery is composed of:
1. What “now is made manifest”
2. “and by the scriptures of the prophets”
And that is exactly what Christ revealed to Paul in 1 Corinthians.
The Mystery in 1 Corinthians
Howbeit we speak wisdom among them that are perfect: yet not the wisdom of this world, nor of the princes of this world, that come to nought: But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (1 Cor. 2:6-8)
What was the mystery that Christ revealed to Paul in 1 Corinthians, which—if the rulers of this age understood it—they would not have crucified the Lord of glory?
Paul said:
Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory. O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory? (1 Cor. 15:51-55)
Paul revealed a mystery, some of which was revealed to Paul, and some of which was hidden in plain sight in the Old Testament scriptures, “the saying that is written” (Isaiah and Hosea).
Yet, there is so much more to what Christ revealed in 1 Corinthians—and it’s all tied to the mystery. The bigger picture of what Paul revealed in 1 Corinthians is this: The holy days.
The “last trumpet” sounds on the Feast of Trumpets. It is the first fall holy day (Rosh Hashanah), and speaks of our future tense salvation: “the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.”
Rosh Hashanah is referred to as Yom Teruah: the “Day of the Sounding of the Shofar (trumpet),” or the “Day of the Awakening Blast.” Teruah means “an awakening blast” and is also translated as “shout.” This day is also referred to as Yom Hakeseh, or the “Day of Hiding” because it was the only holy day that began with a lunar signal: the seventh new moon. No one knew when it would actually appear.
This revelation of the mystery (1 Cor. 15:51-55) is our future tense salvation, but Christ didn’t start and stop with the Feast of Trumpets (the fifth holy day). He revealed God’s plan as found in the Hebrew calendar. Paul revealed four other holy days which speak to our present tense salvation.
Next: 1 Corinthians: The holy days
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1 Corinthians: The Holy Days
Passover
For Christ, our Passover lamb, has been sacrificed. (1 Cor. 5:7)
The Feast of Unleavened Bread
For whenever you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death until he comes. (1 Cor. 11:26)
The Feast of First Fruits
But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. But each in turn: Christ, the first fruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. (1 Cor. 15:20–23)
The Feast of Weeks (Pentecost)
For we were all baptized by one Spirit so as to form one body—whether Jews or Gentiles, slave or free—and we were all given the one Spirit to drink. (1 Cor. 12:13)
In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people. (1 Cor. 14:21)
Is it any wonder that Paul declared the prophetic holy days in the very letter that affirms God’s enemies were outwitted and defeated?
The first four holy days are the spring holy days. With His first coming, the Messiah fulfilled them: Jesus, the “Lamb of God” (John 1:29), was sacrificed on Passover. He was in the burial tomb on the Feast of Unleavened Bread; He was resurrected from the dead on the Feast of First fruits; and, finally, Christ sent the Holy Spirit to His apostles on the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), which was 50 days after the Resurrection. These events occurred as appointed by God.
In the future, Christ’s kingdom will be raptured according to the same divine timetable. The kingdom will be transported to Heaven on the fifth holy day: the Feast of Trumpets.
Satan was clueless that a mystery was hidden in the holy days, and had he known….
Compare Moses (Leviticus 23) to Paul’s terminology.
Note: the seventh holy feast is the Feast of Tabernacles. It applies to the millennial kingdom, which comes to pass after Israel’s redemption. As Zechariah prophesied: “And the Lord shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one Lord, and his name one….Then the survivors from all the nations that have attacked Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, and to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles” (Zech. 14:9-16).
Note: This subject of the holy days is in Treasures in Heaven: Chapter 8 and in the Epilogue. The book is free on my site: thetimeline.org.
Next: Just as Paul's revelation in Romans 11 shed light on Luke 21 and Matthew 24, so this revelation of 1 Corinthians sheds light on Christ’s prophecies in Luke 21 and Matthew 24... especially Christ's quote of Daniel.
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Christ revealed a mystery: The plan of salvation and redemption is, and will be, according to the Hebrew calendar.
The holy day after the Feast of Trumpets is the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). The Old Testament prophets who prophesied of Israel’s future redemption and removal of sins, all use terminology and prophecies that tie into this holy day of Atonement—as does Daniel’s prophecy that Christ quoted in Matthew 24. In essence, the Day of Atonement speaks of Atonement for Israel.
For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: “The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.” (Rom. 11:25–27)
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion, And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob; For this is My covenant with them, When I take away their sins.”
On a future Day of Atonement, this prophecy will come to pass.
Next and finally: Christ, Daniel, Jeremiah, and Joel
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Matthew 24: The Day of Atonement
Looking back, from the vantage point of the Old Testament...
just as the spring holy days would have a future tense fulfillment (fulfilled in the first century), so the fall holy days would have a future tense fulfillment (beyond the first century).
The end of this thread is about this: Christ’s quote of Daniel’s prophecy in Matthew 24 is directly connected to the future fulfillment of the sixth holy day: the Day of Atonement, atonement for Israel. And this cannot come to pass until after the future fulfillment of the fifth holy day: the Feast of Trumpets, which is the Rapture.
Terminology and prophecy about the Day of Atonement is throughout the Bible, and sets the stage to understand Matthew 24.
MOSES: ANNUAL DAY OF ATONEMENT
And this shall be a statute for ever unto you: that in the seventh month, on the tenth day of the month, ye shall afflict your souls, and do no work at all, whether it be one of your own country, or a stranger that sojourneth among you: For on that day shall the priest make an atonement for you, to cleanse you, that ye may be clean from all your sins before the Lord. It shall be a sabbath of rest unto you, and ye shall afflict your souls, by a statute for ever. And the priest, whom he shall anoint, and whom he shall consecrate to minister in the priest's office in his father's stead, shall make the atonement, and shall put on the linen clothes, even the holy garments: And he shall make an atonement for the holy sanctuary, and he shall make an atonement for the tabernacle of the congregation, and for the altar, and he shall make an atonement for the priests, and for all the people of the congregation. And this shall be an everlasting statute unto you, to make an atonement for the children of Israel for all their sins once a year. And he did as the Lord commanded Moses. (Lev. 16:29-34)
This annual Day would ultimately have a future fulfillment.
The future tense fulfillment of the Day of Atonement is in the Old Testament—which includes Daniel’s prophecy, along with Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and Joel.
THE DAY OF ATONEMENT: FUTURE TENSE FULFILLMENT
On a future Day of Atonement, Christ the high priest will make atonement for Israel—once and for all. Prophecies associated with Christ’s second coming to Israel include atonement, a resurrection (of Israel), judgment, and renewal. This includes Christ’s prophecies in Matthew and Luke:
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19:28)
When the hour came, Jesus and his apostles reclined at the table. And he said to them, “I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you before I suffer. For I tell you, I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in the kingdom of God.” After taking the cup, he gave thanks and said, “Take this and divide it among you. For I tell you I will not drink again from the fruit of the vine until the kingdom of God comes.”… “And I appoint unto you a kingdom, as my Father hath appointed unto me; That ye may eat and drink at my table in my kingdom, and sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Luke 22:14-18; 29, 30)
The apostles will judge the 12 tribes. They will sit at the table of their Lord when He sits upon the throne of His glory in His kingdom—which is still future tense.
This judgment of Israel will come to pass in the “regeneration.” This judgment will follow the resurrection of the twelve tribes, as prophesied by Daniel and Ezekiel. Ezekiel’s prophecy is in the context of the future fulfillment of the Day of Atonement, and thus so is Daniel’s prophecy of Israel’s resurrection.
Next: Daniel & Ezekiel, then Christ & Daniel
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Matthew 24
Prior to receiving questions in Matthew 24, Christ prophesied of the time of “regeneration” and future judgment of Israel.
Matthew 19
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19:28)
Christ connected regeneration/restoration with judgment (which follows the resurrection of Israel).
Acts 1
Christ receives a question from the apostles regarding the same subject: Restoration/Regeneration of the Kingdom of Israel:
Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or dates the Father has set by his own authority.” (Acts 1:6, 7)
Christ had already prophesied of the restoration, and now the apostles were looking to see if this (the first century) was that time. Obviously, it is still future tense to this day.
Between Matthew 19 and Acts 1 there is Matthew 24—and 3 questions, and a quote from Daniel.
Next/tomorrow: Matthew 24
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Matthew 24
And Jesus went out, and departed from the temple: and his disciples came to him for to shew him the buildings of the temple. And Jesus said unto them, See ye not all these things? verily I say unto you, There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down. And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? (Matt. 24:1-3)
1. Tell us, when shall these things be?
The temple destruction occurred in the first century.
The apostles asked 2 more questions:
2. what shall be the sign of thy coming?
Why did the apostles ask this question?
Because Christ had just issued this prophecy: Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord (Matt. 23:39).
……The apostles asked, what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?...
And Christ issued prophecies, and quoted 2 of Daniel’s prophecies in the process:
And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened…. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven. (Matt. 24:15-22, 29, 30)
Christ quotes Daniel from Chapters 9 and 12.
Daniel (Dan. 9:24-27)
“Seventy ‘sevens’are decreed for your people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy…..After the sixty-two ‘sevens,’ the Anointed One will be put to death and will have nothing.The people of the ruler who will come will destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end will come like a flood: War will continue until the end, and desolations have been decreed. He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’In the middle of the ‘seven’he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the templehe will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” (Dan. 9:24-27)
“Seventy ‘sevens’are decreed for your people.” This is Daniel’s people, Israel.
What Daniel describes is exactly what comes to pass on the most solemn day of the Hebrew calendar: The Day of Atonement, which is to make reconciliation for iniquity.
Daniel’s prophecy is the same as Paul’s prophecy in Romans 11 and Isaiah’s prophecy.
Daniel: to make reconciliation for iniquity
Paul: turn away ungodliness from Jacob, when I shall take away their sins. (Rom. 11:25-27)
Isaiah: Jacob’s guilt be atoned for, the removal of his sin, Israel, will be gathered (Isa. 27:9-13)
Isaiah and Daniel are both prophesying of atonement, looking forward… but the fact that a mystery was hidden in the holy days kept the Old Testament prophecies from being fully understood—until Paul revealed it to us in Romans and 1 Corinthians (the holy days). Paul is giving us perspective looking back in time through the lens of the mystery.
All of this comes to pass at the fulfillment of the seventieth seven, which will coincide with the future fulfillment of the Day of Atonement.
On a future Day of Atonement, Christ’s prophecy will come to pass: “Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.” That is His second coming to Israel to restore the kingdom.
This is only half the story of the future Day of Atonement. Christ completes the story of the Day of Atonement by quoting Daniel 12 in Matthew 24. By quoting Daniel 12, Christ Himself marks the “time” of the fulfillment of the seventieth seven—and it cannot be the first century.
Christ had already prophesied of the coming “regeneration” (Matt. 19) and in Matt. 24, He did so again.
Next: Mathew 24 & Daniel 12: Israel’s Resurrection and Judgment and Atonement
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Matthew 24 & Daniel 12
For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened…. Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven. (Matt. 24:21-30)
Christ quoted Daniel 12
Daniel (12:1-3)
And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book. And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. (Dan. 12:1-3)
By connecting Daniel Chapter 12 with Daniel Chapter 9, Christ Himself revealed when the seventieth seven will be fulfilled/when the abomination that causes desolation shall come to pass: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
At this unprecedented time, this will come to pass:
1. “and at that time thy people shall be delivered."
2. “And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.”
Awaking from sleeping in the dust of the earth is a resurrection of “thy people,” followed by judgment (by the 12 apostles).
And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel. (Matt. 19:28)
Judgment follows the resurrection of Israel, which is at the time of regeneration, which is still future tense.
By quoting Daniel, Christ marked time: a unique, unprecedented time. It is the time of:
1. The Abomination that causes desolation
2. His coming (in the name of the Lord)
3. Israel’s gathering, resurrection, and judgment
4. Atonement for Jacob/Israel (The Day of Atonement fulfilled)
5. Regeneration/Restoration of Israel’s Kingdom
To show all this, Christ quoted Daniel, and in doing so, expounded upon this prophecy: Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord... This prophecy will come to pass with the fulfillment of the seventieth seven... which is still future tense.
Next: Daniel and Ezekiel: The Resurrection of Israel and The Day of Atonement
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Daniel & Ezekiel: The Resurrection of Israel and the Day of Atonement
Of the many prophecies that refer to the second coming of Christ to the Holy Land, one given by the prophet Ezekiel makes specific reference to the priestly responsibility that takes place on the sixth holy day, the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur). God prophesied of Israel’s gathering and cleansing:
For I will take you out of the nations; I will gather you from all the countries and bring you back into your own land. I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you will be clean; I will cleanse you from all your impurities and from all your idols. I will give you a new heart and put a new spirit in you; I will remove from you your heart of stone and give you a heart of flesh. And I will put my Spirit in you and move you to follow my decrees and be careful to keep my laws. Then you will live in the land I gave your ancestors; you will be my people, and I will be your God. (Ezek. 36:24–28)
Ezekiel then prophesied of Israel’s resurrection:
The hand of the Lord was upon me, and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, And caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry. And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest. Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord… Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord. (Ezek. 37:1-14)
Daniel issued the same prophecy of the future resurrection of Daniel’s people, Israel (Dan. 12:1-3).
Daniel is the one prophet who specifically marks time about this event: “and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time,” which Christ did as well (Matt. 24:21).
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Daniel & John/the Book of Revelation
John: 7-year prophecy
In Revelation, there is a seven-year prophecy that commences with the two prophets of God:
“And I [God] will give power to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for 1,260 days, clothed in sackcloth” (Rev. 11:3). (1260 days is exactly 3.5 years on the Hebrew calendar: 30 days/month x 42 months = 1260 days.)
The second 3.5 years is the reign of the Antichrist (beast) and second beast (false prophet): “The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for forty-two months” (Rev. 13:5).
Daniel: 7-year prophecy
He will confirm a covenant with many for one ‘seven.’In the middle of the ‘seven’he will put an end to sacrifice and offering. And at the templehe will set up an abomination that causes desolation, until the end that is decreed is poured out on him.” (Dan. 9:27)
Daniel’s seven-year prophecy is divided by 2: 3.5 years + 3.5 years.
John’s seven-year prophecy is divided by 2: 3.5 years + 3.5 years.
Coincidence?
The testimony of Christ and Peter—as discussed earlier in this thread—say otherwise.
Matthew 24
Christ quoted Daniel 9 and 12 in Matthew 24 to show the fulfillment of prophecy—the seven-year prophecy that ends with Israel being gathered, resurrected, and judged.
Revelation 19
Revelation 19 is the end of the Antichrist’s reign, and it is the end of John’s seven-year prophecy.
Seven-year Prophecy
Matthew 24 and Revelation 19 both mark the end of a seven-year prophecy: the same one.
Christ’s Precedent
This thread started with Christ’s precedent: His testimony. In Luke 4, Christ quoted Isaiah 61:1, 2a to herald the fulfillment of prophecy (His first coming to Israel). He never read 61:2b, because it heralds His second coming to Israel: “the day of vengeance of our God.”
Christ is the one who handed us this precedent in Isaiah of splitting a prophecy to demonstrate the differing times of the fulfillment. If he did it once, He can do it again—and He did in Matthew 24.
At the beginning of His ministry, Christ quoted Isaiah to reveal His first coming to Israel. At the end of His ministry, He quoted Daniel to reveal His second coming to Israel when Israel is resurrected as revealed in Daniel 12.
The last verse of Daniel Chapter 12 speaks to Daniel directly: “As for you, go your way till the end. You will rest, and then at the end of the days you will rise to receive your allotted inheritance.” The resurrection of Daniel and Israel is “at the end of days” and that marks the fulfillment of the seventieth seven in Matthew 24 and the Day of Atonement for Israel.
The End
God bless you.
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I just want to point out something mentioned in Luke 21 and how it parallels the passage that you mentioned in Luke 4 where Christ quoted Isaiah 61: 1,2 but left out the last part of verse 2 about the "day of vengeance." Here is Luke 21 verses 20 thru 23:
20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.
I could be wrong but most people seem to agree that these passages refer to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70AD. Notice verse 22.
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Peter: Peter was a lowerclass fisherman from Galilee, one of the most illiterate places in the world during a time when literacy was very low in general, even among town notaries. He could not write. He didn't write. There are a half dozen similarly dated books of Peter (Gospel of Peter, Apocalypse of Peter, etc). Writing books in the name of Peter was a cottage industry.
Paul: Only 7 of the Pauline epistles were penned by the same person (Romans, 1 and 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philippians, 1 Thessalonians, and Philemon), the remainder are either likely forgeries or certain forgeries. At any rate, Paul was not a witness to the acts of words of Jesus and never met Jesus. He saw him in a vision much later.
John: John had his own competing ministry according to the earliest manuscripts. He is not named as the author of the gospel in his name. The only mention within the text of an author is "the beloved disciple" at the crucifixion. The only person who was referred to as that anywhere was Lazarus. The book of John dates no earlier than c. 95 AD and has a very different view of Jesus than the earlier texts, including Paul's letters. It has a different trial for Jesus and the only "high" view of Jesus's divinity. Anything that might suggest Jesus was divine, or rather, claimed to be divine, comes from this very late book.
In short, I would be cautious of basing any belief on the latest, most dubious, most different texts of the modern New Testament alone. It's ok to say "I don't know".
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Infoadsorption:
I agree with you about Luke 21:20-24a.
Luke 21:20-24a is fulfilled in the first century
Luke 21:24b is the transition to a future century.. as understood through the lens of the mystery as given to Paul in Romans 11. During this time Israel is partially blind.
Luke 21:25-28 is yet to be fulfilled
I addressed that earlier on this page:
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Longhunter:
Regarding Paul, he testified:
I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ. (Gal. 1:11, 12)
Regarding the Scriptures (including Peter), Paul testified:
All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work. 2 Tim. 3:16)
Regarding God and the Scriptures:
This salvation, which was first announced by the Lord, was confirmed to us by those who heard him. God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will. (Heb. 2:3, 4)
The supernatural (Creator) testifies to the natural realm via the supernatural: signs, wonders and various miracles, and by gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will. I can testify to it.
We can agree to disagree on the authority of the Scriptures, and God testifying to it.
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