To me, the wierd part is, that Jeff/John's model of heaven and earth is loaded with pantheism, which, of course, to them, is a sign of deception in all others.
Regardless as to whether Christianity uses the word "pantheon" or not, the cast of character/beings are quite specific, and each play a specific role in the affairs of heaven and earth, all having first come from a father-God. There are even dragons, serpents, wierd creatures and ten-headed monsters.
And, of course, they'll say that this false pantheon idea is a counterfiet of the true pantheon idea, meant to deceive "God's special people."
So, does that mean it really is a pantheon, then?
What say you Jeff?
We are all little gods and angels in this thing, no?
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Good Angels
Bad Angels.
Do the Bad Angels wear Black and the Good Angels wear White so when they appear to us we would know the differences between these billions year old entities? Do these Billions year old entity's ride around in ice cream trucks and play that theme to PopEye?YukYukYukYukYuk TooT TooT
What about those angels that that just wanna hang out somewhere else in the universe (s) or other dimensions, powers and mights and dominions? Ya know those who prefer peace. Are there those who protest with signs written "No More WAR!" and chant the same?
What about those that love the beaches on Nirvana 7 in the 9th Dimention? Or just dig to walk the Himalyas and develope Gurus.
Now we have believers and non-believers, and God favors the believers? I had no freedom of will ,that I know of, to be born in this life. Nor to choose my parents and so on. I got stuck with a Body Full Of Sin? I had nothing to do with whatever Adam and Eve!!!! And in God's Foreknowledge "He" knew who would be good or bad, so he sends the Good Angels to the Good Folk of this world as Guardian Angels? And all these Bad Angels get to perform their badness on both those the rain freely falls upon. Smoehting is aiisms hree
And God is limited as well the Devil? Who made those rules? Is this God Omnipotent or sometimes OmniIMpotent?
And ya know what really sucks about my Guardian Angel, don't even know the entity's name. Can I talk to my Guardian Angel? Or would I know which one I am talking to?
"I don't own a telephone because every time it rang and i picked up~~~ I heard voices." Tommy Chong That 70's Show.
Anyway, I thought it was written that the "Ring that ruled them all" was thrown into Mount Doom.
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Enjoyed the simplicity of the "excellent research". Whew Man I thought my Gaurdian Angel left me. Why didn't my own GA just tell me that?
Thanks for the effort, but I was hoping for some documentation, I thought you were getting ready to provide it when I read your last line!
I'll do a little checking myself later, but I thought that the word for "angel" in the OT was the same as one of the words for "prince": mlk or something like that.
I'd forgotten about the reference to Michael as an archangel in Jude.
It looks like the rest is nothing but assumptions.
Regarding your question about Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer:
It appears that they are the only three angels specifically mentioned in Scripture. Revelation 12:7 speaks of "Michael and his angels" and "the dragon and his angels," indicating that they have a command relationship with other angels. His being called an "archangel" (Jude 9) that is, a ruling angel, follows suit.
The few references to Michael indicate that he is a warrior, while the few refs to Gabe indicate that he is a messenger. The many references to Lucifer indicate that he is a creep.
I see no verse saying that M & G are each in charge of 1/3 of the angels.
quote: The few references to Michael indicate that he is a warrior, while the few refs to Gabe indicate that he is a messenger. The many references to Lucifer indicate that he is a creep.
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That an angel-mediator is required to communicate with John Lynn on a public forum (?)
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To me, the wierd part is, that Jeff/John's model of heaven and earth is loaded with pantheism, which, of course, to them, is a sign of deception in all others.
Regardless as to whether Christianity uses the word "pantheon" or not, the cast of character/beings are quite specific, and each play a specific role in the affairs of heaven and earth, all having first come from a father-God. There are even dragons, serpents, wierd creatures and ten-headed monsters.
And, of course, they'll say that this false pantheon idea is a counterfiet of the true pantheon idea, meant to deceive "God's special people."
So, does that mean it really is a pantheon, then?
What say you Jeff?
We are all little gods and angels in this thing, no?
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(I was gonna copy some parts of that links article and comment, but I found this at the bottom
So I'll just Comment.
Good Angels
Bad Angels.
Do the Bad Angels wear Black and the Good Angels wear White so when they appear to us we would know the differences between these billions year old entities? Do these Billions year old entity's ride around in ice cream trucks and play that theme to PopEye?YukYukYukYukYuk TooT TooT
What about those angels that that just wanna hang out somewhere else in the universe (s) or other dimensions, powers and mights and dominions? Ya know those who prefer peace. Are there those who protest with signs written "No More WAR!" and chant the same?
What about those that love the beaches on Nirvana 7 in the 9th Dimention? Or just dig to walk the Himalyas and develope Gurus.
Now we have believers and non-believers, and God favors the believers? I had no freedom of will ,that I know of, to be born in this life. Nor to choose my parents and so on. I got stuck with a Body Full Of Sin? I had nothing to do with whatever Adam and Eve!!!! And in God's Foreknowledge "He" knew who would be good or bad, so he sends the Good Angels to the Good Folk of this world as Guardian Angels? And all these Bad Angels get to perform their badness on both those the rain freely falls upon. Smoehting is aiisms hree
And God is limited as well the Devil? Who made those rules? Is this God Omnipotent or sometimes OmniIMpotent?
And ya know what really sucks about my Guardian Angel, don't even know the entity's name. Can I talk to my Guardian Angel? Or would I know which one I am talking to?
"I don't own a telephone because every time it rang and i picked up~~~ I heard voices." Tommy Chong That 70's Show.
Anyway, I thought it was written that the "Ring that ruled them all" was thrown into Mount Doom.
Enjoyed the simplicity of the "excellent research". Whew Man I thought my Gaurdian Angel left me. Why didn't my own GA just tell me that?
Hmmm
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Where does it say in the bible that Michael, Gabriel & Lucifer were the top ranking angels?
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Oak -- The 1991 september/october tape from CES "Ministry of Angels To Beleivers" does a good job of answering your question.
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you can PT me with your mailing address -- and I'll send you a copy, or you can order one from CES for 4 bucks.
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It is a good tape.
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if you want to order it from CES, their bookstore is open to all.
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AFAIK,
The doctrine that there were exactly 3 angels in charge of all other
angels comes from Revelation 12: 4 and 7.
The doctrine that Michael is one of them comes from his mention in
Revelation 12:7-8. Further, it's substantiated with references
from Daniel, which refer to Michael as "one of the chief princes".
Referring to Michael as "archangel" comes from his being called that
when disputing over the body of Moses.
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I don't know of documentation that settles that Michael runs 1/3
and Gabriel runs 1/3. Gabriel passed along the announcements of
the coming Messiah in the Gospels, and he "stands in the presence
of God".
Generally, it's taken as assumptions that:
-Michael is in charge of 1/3 the originals-the warriors
-Gabriel is in charge of 1/3 the originals-the announcers
-all spirit-beings under God are called "angel" ("messenger"),
regardless of their function.
-Archangel is the title given to exactly 3 angels in history
-the 3 angels (Gabriel, Michael, Lucifer) mentioned in the Bible
are the 3 ruling angels=Archangels.
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I'd be THRILLED if anyone here can provide documentation disproving
me about those last points being "assumed" and not DOCUMENTED.
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Word Wolf:
Thanks for the effort, but I was hoping for some documentation, I thought you were getting ready to provide it when I read your last line!
I'll do a little checking myself later, but I thought that the word for "angel" in the OT was the same as one of the words for "prince": mlk or something like that.
I'd forgotten about the reference to Michael as an archangel in Jude.
It looks like the rest is nothing but assumptions.
dmiller:
I really hope you're not serious
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actually, I was.
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I kinda figured you wouldn't want it, but it never hurts to ask - eh?
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From John Lynn
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Regarding your question about Michael, Gabriel, and Lucifer:
It appears that they are the only three angels specifically mentioned in Scripture. Revelation 12:7 speaks of "Michael and his angels" and "the dragon and his angels," indicating that they have a command relationship with other angels. His being called an "archangel" (Jude 9) that is, a ruling angel, follows suit.
The few references to Michael indicate that he is a warrior, while the few refs to Gabe indicate that he is a messenger. The many references to Lucifer indicate that he is a creep.
I see no verse saying that M & G are each in charge of 1/3 of the angels.
God bless you.
John Lynn
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