Exactly, Roy! :)--> With most any orgainized religion you're able to see through the "teachings" to the pleas for money. Would that they would be more honest about just wanting money like the joke about the bum on the corner with the sign he wants money for alcohol research.
to demand your loyalty, time, commitment, blood, sweat and tears.
Some want your children, and will merely put up with you, or go to extraordinary lengths to get them. The only chance for survival often is to recruit the next generation.
The Vey was just another church. An abusive one, for sure..
Interesting.. haven't thought about it for a while, but..
Der Vey would recieve my kids into their little cornfield outfit, with open arms, if they could. No pressure, no confrontation, no commitment, at least at the beginning.
They tried. Un friggin believable.
My kids know about the abuse, the abusive doctrine, and the abusers in that stupid organization, and others like it. They can see the stupidity- thank God.
Der Vey doesn't stand a chance.
They are doomed, and they know it.. the next generation is running away from that as fast as they can.
Sure churches are good for some people. Some of my fondest memories growing up are from church activities.
And yeah, they need money to operate, but I feel that IF they are doing their job then people are giving from a pure heart and because they want to, not because they have to listen to teachings on it consistently. If a church is preaching about money and tithing and giving all the time then they should look at what needs the church isn't meeting instead of trying to pound doctrine into their brains.
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Belle
Exactly, Roy!
:)--> With most any orgainized religion you're able to see through the "teachings" to the pleas for money. Would that they would be more honest about just wanting money like the joke about the bum on the corner with the sign he wants money for alcohol research.
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coolchef1248 @adelphia.net
well you know in order to have a church you must have money to run it and many people find much comfort in church who am i to disagree with them?
i know when my mother comes home from church she feels very uplifted and comforted
i agree the church should not profit for any individuel
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Roy, I agree.. but the worst don't stop there.
Some make themselves the way they are:
to demand your loyalty, time, commitment, blood, sweat and tears.
Some want your children, and will merely put up with you, or go to extraordinary lengths to get them. The only chance for survival often is to recruit the next generation.
The Vey was just another church. An abusive one, for sure..
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Interesting.. haven't thought about it for a while, but..
Der Vey would recieve my kids into their little cornfield outfit, with open arms, if they could. No pressure, no confrontation, no commitment, at least at the beginning.
They tried. Un friggin believable.
My kids know about the abuse, the abusive doctrine, and the abusers in that stupid organization, and others like it. They can see the stupidity- thank God.
Der Vey doesn't stand a chance.
They are doomed, and they know it.. the next generation is running away from that as fast as they can.
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Belle
Chef, I agree. That's why I said "MOST"
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Sure churches are good for some people. Some of my fondest memories growing up are from church activities.
And yeah, they need money to operate, but I feel that IF they are doing their job then people are giving from a pure heart and because they want to, not because they have to listen to teachings on it consistently. If a church is preaching about money and tithing and giving all the time then they should look at what needs the church isn't meeting instead of trying to pound doctrine into their brains.
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Belle
Ain't that the truth? Hoooray for intelligent, thinking kiddos!!
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year2027
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Beloved Belle, Coolchef1248@adelphia.net, and Mr Hammeroni
God loves all of yall my friends
thanks
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
PS they talk about George Muller who raised about 10,000 kids without asking for money but just trusting God for each days need
Why could not a church just trust God and stop begging
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Yes he did, and that is the big difference between him, and these modern day outfits (twi included).
George Mueller belived in God's ability to do, and everyone else seems to believe in *their ability to do*.
You go to the source for your support, and if ya go to the source of humanity, you will end up begging forever for them to give.
If you don't go to the Father, it's like a, it's like a, it's like ----
hmmm -- why am I thinking of *broken cisterns* all of a sudden??
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David
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Beloved David
God bless your loving hearts
broken cisterns So that is why they break up and lose believers every so many years or so
I wonder how many leaks are in their cisterns that they are try-ing to close with lies
having fun here
thanks
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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def59
Could it be that we are so wrapped up in money because we are greedy ourselves, or we just see giving as payment for services rendered?
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Beloved Def59
God bless your heart
I do not know
But I can say I am not greedy I all so say after knowing you Def59 that you are not greedy either
I guess I see giving as stewardship to take care of the lights and etc
But if everyone in most churches of 1,000 people gave 1.00 a month you have a $1,000.00
In using a building that would hold 3,000 people would not cost for Elec, water, gas and tel the $1,000.00 a month
But if some one has a building that would be the size of a chuch tell me about what it would run for bills
but no labor because the member could share the work
Now the repairs would cost extra when needed
But a new roof would be less than $20,000.00 costing $20.00 a person extra the month its needed
Even if you had to build a new church
It cost would not be over 1,000,000.00 being would be no more than 1,000.00 a person
Could be reach in 12 months for less than 100.00 a person per month or 25.00 for week per person
There would extra and it could be used to rent space until its build
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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