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socks I really enjoyed reading your post and logic and reasoning. I love the conclusion arriving at serendipity as a common goal. Polar opposites to force feeding a new Plaffy down the worlds throat with a trademark.

Yes this is interesting. It is hard to find a middle ground on this topic. It either progresses to a Dan Brown type novel where you have Franciscan monks vs the Illuminati or the rejecting of anything not observable by your 5 senses. One angle to this argument or discussion to consider is how does mankind realize the benefit of superior intellect? How is higher reasoning constructed in the philosophical realms? The Greeks had a high degree of superstition even to the point of not allowing unknown gods introduced at Mars hill. Anyway no answers but interesting discussion.

Yeah there’s probably a better way. Non-verbal autism is well known. It seems that non verbal would make it very strong on that spectrum. This is a known mental challenge that is genetic usually and due to missing chemicals in a body that requires treatment and maintenance. The ignorant have always flocked to superstition to explain away the unexplained. A native witch doctor with completely different beliefs would possibly come up with the same superstitious conclusion.

Yes this is the dilemma it seems. Is there anything spiritual out there or in there that inspires from the outside? Or the inside? There is a real challenge here. Mankind needs a muse. People need heroes to inspire them to greater acts. What is this muse? I view it as a spark of the divine. Where I look for inspiration as there is little of it in the world arising of itself. Only if you condition yourself to look for it. In your scenario you describe what does it matter whether the inspiration is a new view of your personal experience or that same view possibly introduced by a loving Father? People will view the words I wrote here as either inspirational or devil spirit inspired depending on their mindset. Or illogical lol. My inspiration is rejecting the Pharisee approach to controlling things and amassing power and simply looking to the simple truths in writings for inspiration. A favorite inspirational quote for me about fundamentalist mindset is actually from Ralph Waldo Emerson “a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds”. That inspires me almost as much as Jesus words to those hypocrites.

This feels like a drive by shooting. We have had a number of these. I would suspect it’s a fake account of a leader that is somewhat unhappy with the details we discuss here so need to come here and reprove us with PLAF quotes. They usually last a short period of time until the poster realizes it will take actual logic and discussion to make any headway then they leave.

Yeah you aren’t seeing any divine spark. I guess religion to you consists of an illogical social construct that people use to explain the unexplained or try to. I can respect that position but personally find it a touch too cynical for me. YMMV. Yes I’ll take some leaf oolong. I have a friend with a tea shop who made a special blend for the eclipse and sold a ton.

There is so much “label soup” in this post I really don’t know what to do with it. I am really just trying to work out my own salvation truly as instructed. Some things about certain labels ring true to me. Other things about other labels. I am getting to the point of saying screw the labels as they are not particularly helpful in identifying philosophy or belief.

I would agree that the fulfilling prophecy part of Christs life and the fulfilling prophecy idea in general has been very problematic for certain Christian groups. One in particular has a history of multiple failed prophecies and still people listen to them, which itself contradicts scripture guidance.

What happens when the yoke of bondage consists of the wrong interpretation of the scripture you quote? The “household of God” is one of these. There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one body of Christ. There are many “households” each having different man made rules for living under their roof. “Household of God” thinking is separatist thinking which is contrary to Paul’s image of one body of Christ. Until you break the yoke of bondage of false teaching you are held by this bondage which is in “the flesh”. Therefore you cannot truly seek the things of the spirit. The Pharisees and scribes were caught up in this trap making the things of God the things of the flesh. What I believe a true minister of Jesus Christ is consists of someone who leads people away from bondage not into it. The law never reconciled anyone to God that took a Savior. My Lord Jesus Christ. I stand fast in this liberty and let no one bring me into their slavery with man’s words not Gods words. The only perfect thing you can do is SIT? Yet scripture says in 1Cor 13 that there are conditions around it or it becomes a clanging cymbal right? More bondage from VP doctrine.

Yes probably part of removing material from those no longer with the Way. Similar to other solo musical artists as well as other authors. The Way Living in Love is singularly unique as it is the only place where the supposed revelation to VPW with the snow on the gas pumps story and God supposedly telling VP that he would teach him “the Word” like it hasn’t been known since the first century. That rumor was responsible for deifying the PFAL direction and the isolation of the Way off from the rest of the body of Christ. Young minds all over were duped by this message. And the leadership of the Way love the rumor. But they hate any scrutiny on the rumor because of their decision to not pursue Biblical research in a department any more other than regurgitation of earlier VPW works. Because of the rumor. The rumor goes right along with the brass statues of VP on all TWI clergy desks as well as his brazen image in the entrance to teaching centers referred to as the “Timothy statues” I mean you can almost see Moses Aaron and the molten calf standing right there.

Hey hiway29, By unsanctioned I was referring to them removing it from their bookstore for sale. Also along those lines it is notably missing from MrsVPWs work. The Way prefers to have it spread as rumors and jokes as in this thread. Yes Elena sounds like a seasoned wayfer in the book.

Yeah the whole salt water thing and tying it to amniotic fluid in a woman giving birth was even more of a stretch to sanity. But Okie daddy never did excel in plausible dreams or Biblical research lol.

Hey karateka Nice to meet you. Inspiration from scripture is great. People using that as a means to control you is not. I dunno what any of this has to do with Donna whose thread you posted in. You might consider starting another thread to talk about a topic or introduce yourself more and start talking. Just a suggestion.

I find remarkably little provable evidence in most critical textualism. https://study.com/learn/lesson/euclidean-geometry-overview-history-examples.html#:~:text=Euclidean geometry refers to the,around the year 300 BCE. I look at Euclid and his concepts. He wrote down a few observations. Years later they were turned into postulates and people derived whole semesters of torture for students starting with his words lol. Now we can manufacture and print amazing objects in 3D geometry. However in direct contrast most philosophical and religious discussions devolve into a sheer waste of time with no notable progress anywhere. Faith in Jesus Christ would be the only postulate to form the correct math to me anyway. But the garbage people derive from that and call geometry or Christianity is missing logic and inspiration.

I would respond that the authors themselves had no knowledge about how their words would be foreshadowing the Messiah. If there was any element of inspiration from God in their words (way different from the theopneustos trap of every word being automatic writing from God) then God as the orchestrator could be in charge of the foreshadowing. Hosea was just writing about a drought and tying it to Israel’s lifestyle. I would agree that they are human authors. I differ in viewing them of having a “spark of the divine” in their writings. I would contend that scripture is Gods intention for humans to connect with that spark for inspiration but was never designed for Pharisee and Scribe exercises in predicting the future or coming up with unfulfillable levels of detail in laws and customs. That would be man’s natural proclivity for controlling things and adding to the narrative. Others views may vary of course