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It's evident that God established giving according to the heart in the New Testament. Calling it a law is complex, because if it fails in any case, it would no longer be a law, since laws "are always fulfilled." In TWI, at least in recent years, when a person tithed and didn't get results, contradictory excuses arose, such as: "They are giving without the love of God in the renewed mind in manifestation." "They are giving without believing" "They are giving out of compulsion." Ultimately, it's a vicious circle, because TWI's entire belief system is based on another principles that VPW developed (or plagiarized). Tithing and Abundant Sharing are based on the "law of believing" and the love of God in the renewed mind in manifestation, and others. If one fails, it's because the other is failing, and so on. The central issue is that these three main beliefs or principles are not 100% biblical and generate condemnation in people.

Thank you for confirming that they call it the law of giving which lines up with their law of believing. In both cases, however, when the law doesn't work then the giver/believer must be doing something wrong (not cheerful enough, not generous enough, not trusting enough). Been there, done that. Yet, the promises are there in the bible. For tithing, there's Malachi 3:10 10Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food in My house, and put Me to the test now in this,” says the LORD of armies, “if I do not open for you the windows of heaven and pour out for you a blessing until it overflows. For giving, there's 2 Corinthians 9:7-8 7Each one must do just as he has decided in his heart, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver. 8And God is able to make all grace overflow to you, so that, always having all sufficiency in everything, you may have an abundance for every good deed; Is a biblical promise and a law not similar in some way?

This sounds like a Mac Davis song to me. But I don't have any clue.

Oh, I can see There ain't no room for me You're only holding out Your heart in sympathy If there's another man Then girl, I understand Go on and take his hand I'll be blue (Baby blue) And I'll be crying, too (Crying, too, crying, too) But girl, you know I only want What's best for you What good is all my pride If our true love has died? Go on and be his bride George

Well, I adhere to the main post here. However, publicly TWI is teaching about GIVING not Tithing (If you watch their current STS they do not mention tithe) - unless you are in a private circle where they still expect 10% or more from "leaders" and "faithful believers". TWI is full of contradictions...they still sell "Christians Should be Prosperous", in that book VPW says..."Do not pray for prosperity if you do not tithe". But....check TWI's description on their website: "This booklet opens the doors to prosperous living. Biblically established keys, such as the law of giving and receiving, unlock true prosperity for the believer" THE LAW OF GIVING OR TITHING?

Apparently. Not Leatherheads. Adrien Brody Paul Gleeson Jarod Leto Elias Koteas Ben Chaplin Tim Blake Nelson Thomas Jane George Clooney Woody Harrelson John Cusack John C Reilly John Savage Jim Caviezel

December, 1963 The legend lives on from the Chippewa on down of the big lake they call Gitchigumi.

Apparently, George Clooney played a major role. Leatherheads? George

Yes. I remember all of the hubbub about the occasional buttock on the show. Boring by today's standards but considered pretty racy back then. Dennis Franz was Det. Andy Sipowicz on NYPD Blue. He was Lt. Norman Buntz on Hill Street Blues a decade earlier. (Early on in Hill Street, he played a jerk cop, Sal Benedetto. That character disappeared (killed off? I don't remember) and Franz returned to the show a couple of years later as Buntz. He then had the spin-off Beverly Hills Buntz, co-starring Peter Jurasik.) WW is up. George

Oh it's me, right. I'll come up with something soon.

Adrien Brody Paul Gleeson Jarod Leto Elias Koteas Ben Chaplin Tim Blake Nelson Thomas Jane George Clooney Woody Harrelson John Cusack John C Reilly John Savage George Clooney

NYPD Blue????

This show is often thought of as having brought nudity to broadcast TV, though it was actually predated by "Steambath," with a topless Valerie Perrine on PBS. Also prior to this show, "M*A*S*H briefly showed Radar O'Reilly's naked behind when he loses his towel running from a sniper. The main star played a similar character on another show (with a similar name) a decade earlier. George

"I know what you're thinking: Did he fire six shots, or only five?" George

"Oh, what a night!" George

Yeah that's one. Also used in "The Godfather" and "Man on Fire".

That's it.

Three ministers were discussing how they used the weekly offering: Rev#1: I draw a big circle on the floor and toss the money high into the air. Whatever lands inside the circle, I give to the Lord. Whatever lands outside is my salary. Rev#2: I draw a big circle on the floor and toss the money high into the air. Whatever lands outside the circle, I give to the Lord. Whatever lands inside is my salary. Rev#3: I draw a big circle on the floor and toss the money high into the air. If the Lord wants any of it He can grab it while it's up there.

Good point. I delved into what I called "God's standard for giving," but I never got to the part of God's standard for getting. What to do with money collected from the church would make a great Doctrinal thread.

The reason for this collection in 2 Corinthians 8 is given in Romans 15. 25 but now, I am going to Jerusalem, serving the saints. 26 For Macedonia and Achaia have been pleased to make a contribution for the poor among the saints in Jerusalem. 27 For they were pleased to do so, and they are indebted to them. For if the Gentiles have shared in their spiritual things, they are indebted to do them a service also in material things. How does this compare to what twi does with their collections from the saints?

IOW, if the organization badgers you about how much you need to give them, it's a cult. BTW, Mormon churches do that too.

When we were in our teens, WordWolf once had a bunch of notes from which I used to study, and one of them was "Things in Which Christians Are to Abound," or something close to that. The list was believing, the Word, knowledge, diligence, love and grace. It was drawn from II Corinthians 8:7. It took me years to realize what II Corinthians 8 was doing. To really grasp it, you HAVE to let go of the tithe. Only then does the section make sense. A group of Christians was exceedingly generous to Paul, and he was using that group as an example to the Corinthians for how to approach giving. Their gift was both generous and entirely voluntary. The percentage was not discussed. And then v. 7 makes total sense. As you abound in one thing, abound in the other. A standard is being set. As you about in A, abound in F. As you abound in B, abound in F. As you abound in C, abound in F. It's not just a list of things in which we are to abound. It is a standard that is supposed to underscore our motivation to give. You call yourself a Christian who believes? Give accordingly! You call yourself a speaker of the Word? Give accordingly! You call yourself knowledgeable of the Word? GIve accordingly. You call yourself committed to the spread of the Word? Give accordingly. You say you love? Give accordingly. Our giving, according to the Bible, is to be motivated by these attributes. Not a percentage. A reflection of your commitment, of your dedication, of your seriousness about this whole Christian thing. The tithe is not a minimum or a maximum. It's not even a reference point. Abraham tithed ONE TIME, best as we can tell from scripture. No one told him to do it. No one asked him to do it. He wasn't setting a pattern. If he was, the pattern was this: YOU choose when to give. YOU choose who receives it. YOU choose how much. There is no place in scripture where ALL believers are instructed to tithe. It is simply NOT the big deal churches make it out to be. I've long forgotten my deep dive into tithing. But I do remember this much: believers should give, and give generously. NO ONE defines "generously" but you. Just don't be a hypocrite about it. When something's important to you, you invest in it.

Fifty Ways to Leave Your Lover (?) George

And it is very cold in space. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan Not sure of the other two. George

"The problem is all inside your head she said to me"