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  2. Raf

    Why did you take "THE CLASS?"

    Yeah. Sumbitch witnessed to me and was convincing. In seriousness i blame myself and no one else
  3. Grace Valerie Claire

    Why did you take "THE CLASS?"

    Raf, for what? Taking PFAL?
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  5. Raf

    Why did you take "THE CLASS?"

    I blame WordWolf
  6. waysider

    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    Yeah, that's my point. If there really is such a thing as speaking in tongues, what we learned in PFAL is not it. We placed an awful lot of expectation on something that wasn't real. But, I'm getting off topic here. Any discussion of speaking in tongues, specifically, would probably be better suited for one of the threads that already exists.
  7. Raf

    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    That was meaningless. Seriously. You're babbling.
  8. TLC

    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    Given I'm not part of the "we" in your statement, I don't have any sort of answer to such a question other than the most obvious. IF it is indeed fraudulent for a particular individual, why would it be expected to enhance an understanding anything, much less that which is spiritual?
  9. TLC

    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    Depending on what or how something is asked, yes, it can be... even as yours is. Take, for example, your last question... as I didn't write or speak of "ascertaining spiritual information" as though it were just an extra piece of the puzzle, yet you put in quotes as though it were something which I definitely said, or at least meant (apparently as another attempt to draw or squeeze some sort of missing "revelation" into the equation). What else would you call it, if not spin? Furthermore, I've already described what I did say (about ascertaining spiritual realities) in another way, which evidently you seemed to have missed or chose to ignore. So, given we obviously don't see the same thing when looking at the paint, you want me to describe... what? What you can't or don't see?
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  11. Raf

    Thus Saith Paul

    Jesus told them to make disciples of all the nations. They didn't. TLC is not convinced they didn't follow his instruction. Good lord. You said you wouldn't discuss it with "the likes of" me. Be a person of your word, mk?
  12. GeorgeStGeorge

    Name that Actor/Actress (or Role)

    Of course. George
  13. engine

    Why did you take "THE CLASS?"

    Ohhh, Ex. Me, too. Sigh.
  14. Raf

    Name that Tune

    Plant a seed, plant a flower, plant a roseYou can plant any one of thoseKeep planting to find out which one growsIt's a secret no one knowsIt's a secret no one knowsOh, no one knows
  15. Raf

    Name that Tune

    I said three Beatles were alive AT MOST. That gives you a span of more than 20 years. it's a 90s song. And peppy. upbeat. Not that you can tell from these depressing lyrics
  16. Raf

    Name that Tune

    move up. Paul Young is not peppy!
  17. GeorgeStGeorge

    Name that Actor/Actress (or Role)

    Time to give this one away. Even though he won an Oscar for the role Marty Piletti, he's probably best remembered as Quinton McHale Trucker Cobb Gen. Sam Worden Dutch Engstrom Emmett Clemens Marty Piletti Mike Rogo Dominic Santini Shack Harry Booth George
  18. GeorgeStGeorge

    Triple Movie Links Game

    Unlawful Entry Kurt Russell Guardians of the Galaxy II George
  19. Raf

    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    The reason we don't accept "spiritual information" as evidence is as follows: 1. You cannot demonstrate objectively that such a thing exists. Really the list should stop right there. 2. You have no way to objectively evaluate the reliability of the information. Comparing it to the Bible doesn't count because it's the book's reliability that is in question. That would be begging the question (aka circular reasoning). 3. You have demonstrated no means of determining the source of the spiritual information. Is it from God? Allah? Ra? Vishnu? Thor? Satan? Calling it "spiritual information" demands an answer as to its source, which for the sake of presenting evidence you must identify. An objective observer is not obliged to assume the Christian God is any more or less real than any other deity. 3a. You have demonstrated no means of distinguishing between spiritual information and your own predetermined conclusion (aka, made up sh*t). Unless you can address those issues, those who evaluate evidence are under no obligation to put your "spiritual information" on the same plane as actual evidence.
  20. Raf

    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    Ascertaining spiritual information means drawing a conclusion and then examining the evidence, tossing out evidence that does not conform to the conclusion you already reached before you started looking at the issue. Calling it "ascertaining spiritual information" is simply an appeal to emotion, trying to frame this fundamentally dishonest tactic in terms that elicit sympathy from fellow believers in opposition to the atheist bogeyman who won't let you get away with using made-up sh*t as facts.
  21. Human without the bean

    Name that Tune

    Maybe you ought to give a poor dog a bone Raf and narrow this down. Are we playing hardball with a wiffle bat?
  22. Human without the bean

    Name that Tune

    *So 1980 and onward from there. Everytime You Go Away Paul Young
  23. Human without the bean

    Triple Movie Links Game

    Christopher Plummer Twelve Monkeys Madeleine Freaking Stowe
  24. Rocky

    Did Jesus Rise from the Dead?

    So, even when I ask you for clarification, you take issue with it? Asking for clarification, in the form of "is this what you mean... ?" is now "spin?" Oh, heck no. I don't think you're crazy. I think you're needlessly defensive and paranoid. So, how would YOU describe the process of "ascertaining spiritual information?"
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