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Thank you for the education.

Then you will be intentionally derailing the conversation and it will be handled accordingly.

This carries with it a couple of interesting thoughts at least: (1) The Douay Rheims version says "vomit". This to me conveys the idea that Jesus' reaction to an unconcerned or disinterested churchgoer is one of nausea and disgust. (2) Preterists believe all this already happened, sometime around 70 A.D. and/or shortly thereafter, and the whole bible already has been fulfilled (full preterism); Jesus REALLY meant "I come quickly" he didn't mean 2000+ years later; and talk of "end times" today is BS. "Gathering together" is BS. Preterists also believe the 'millenial kingdom' already happened, but don't ask me how. (Catholics, who have been described as "partial preterists" also think the "rapture" is BS.) Preterism - Wikipedia added for reference purposes

The fact that Jesus would say to any believer, at any time or any place, that he would spit them out of his mouth for being lukewarm is sick stuff. Besides, there are plenty of other verses in the gospels where Jesus lays out what it takes to be a follower of his and being lukewarm is nowhere in the mix.

Then how about "Lay Your Hands On Me", by The Thompson Twins. (A band of 3 people, none of whom were twins, none of whom were named Thompson, all of whom were named after supporting characters in "TinTin." For the record, those guys, Thomson and Thompson, were not related by blood, but appeared like identical twins, making them "twin" but not "twins.")

yeah, the definition of a cult for sure, nothing to do with nature naturism or humanism you can label it anything you want, but I will use the terms as they were correctly intended

Well in the context of this conversation that is not the meaning. A naturalist in philosophy is someone who believes the natural world is all that is. It is incompatible with spirit or the supernatural. All these words have histories and overlapping definitions. Best bet is to allow people to label themselves and articulate what they mean by these labels.

Gerard Butler

the terms of naturalist and naturism has its beginnings in art and paintings of nature of course, today the terms have been perverted

WordWolf knows the answer but has chosen not to give it. It is not Bob Dylan or To Make You Feel My Love.

One person in this conversation is actually a naturalist by definition. The one bloviating about what naturalists would know, while saying something no naturalist would say, is not that person.

That's "Faith Healing," by Thomson and Thompson. Something like that.

or a clear definition of what it is to die? not meaningless at all, but it is the subject....or object

Is it To Make You Feel My Love by Bob Dylan?

Um. No. Not without a clear definition of what you mean by born again. No naturalist would say this meaningless drivel

It was mishearing the lyrics. Next song: When it almost seems too much I see your face and sense the grace And feel the magic in your touch

Says who? Pleasing unto which lord? Plus, to/for. ThIs was written TO the angel of the ekklesia in Laodicea. It was not written TO you.

a naturalist would know that which dies will be born again does the humanist see the same? doubt it

I just finished quickly reading through a prophecy given by an old poster on this forum. I am sharing his website if anyone is interested in reading it. On it, there is also a link for his YouTube channel where he reads the prophecy. https://www.eyesupandopen.org/index.php/prophecies-from-jesus-christ/sinners-come-to-me-in-this-last-time Why am I sharing it? Because it shows how two Christians, who became close online friends over the past year and a half ago, went in two extreme opposite directions within the past two months - me deciding to walk away from Christianity and him starting to share his fundamentalist prophecies online. I'm pretty sure most on this thread will reject this all-or-nothing way of thinking. So what is left? How does one decide for themselves which parts are allegories, fiction, myths, hyperboles, etc. and still believe the Bible is God's word? As it was pointed out to me in Revelation 3:15-22, being lukewarm is not pleasing unto the Lord.

Was that intentional, or did you just not understand the lyrics? Sometimes we hear very weird things. George

I used to call this song "Aunt Bunny Love." As opposed to "Can't Buy Me Love" by The Beatles.

Naturalism is a motive for humanism. You can be a naturalist and a nihilist, but I can't imagine any humanist would put up much of a fight if you equated humanism with naturalism.

Yes he's funny and very bold. Obviously he threw away the idea a long time ago that he will be meeting the lord when he dies, LOL. BTW Raf, wanted to ask you: is "humanism" the same as "naturalism". Please advise, thx.

Say you don't need no diamond rings And I'll be satisfied Tell me that you want the kind of things That money just can't buy George

Nope. But you'll probably get it now: Tomorrow Never Dies Tale of the Mummy Fast Food The Cherry Orchard Dracula 2000 Lara Croft Tomb Raider: The Cradle of Life The Phantom of the Opera Beowulf & Grendel The Ugly Truth Hunter Killer 300 London Has Fallen George