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I think there are a lot of time lags in the Bible and even more time lags between events and when their history is written. Given all these time lags and additional ones I can come up with personally like the time lag warp I entered into last Tuesday lol I would say that whatever the time lag was between Gen 1:1 and 1:2 it was real as well as perceived. Captain Obvious out lol.

I mean like is it OK for me to view it as foreshadowing scriptures about the promise of the Messiah? Every single one of them is metaphorical so there is not one single literal reference. The idea being that Christians could look at Jesus Christ like the saving latter rain in Hosea for the crops as to similar to the Saviors effect in their life. But nobody would think he literally melts into clouds and his blood transforms into rain or anything (except maybe one Christian sect) I mean Oral had another logic jump to associate all that with the 4th man in the furnace. But whattarryougonnado? Preachers gonna string together pictures. People gotta be inspired by something. Fundamentalists dictating others lives is a different story they can shut it.

Moot point. Wrong administration. Unforgivable sin was TO and FOR the Judean's, remember? What would it matter anyway? Paul said all (without exception or distinction) sin is forgiven. He said God wasn't imputing sin anymore. Ask Victor or Loy. Would they agree? Besides, is the Household of God anything other than spiritual? One of the most beautiful stories in all (without exception or distinction) scripture. HOWEVER, it is in the Old Testament. It was instruction TO the Judeans. Got get your TO's and FOR's rightly divided. Again, Old Testament. Wrong administration. To/For. No one here is a Judean.

Your premise, that what you wrote was specifically the Word of God and was inspired by God the Father, is not provable. You COULD rephrase your comment to simply call on readers to accept your encouragement absent the arrogant claim that you spoke/wrote God's thoughts. You could alternatively rephrase your comment as an "I" statement to indicate YOU are/were inspired to write what you wrote, and leave it up to readers to assess the degree of providence the statement might have.

God bless you Household of God. i am LCDIAZ WC 17; WHY JUDGE, WHY NOT RESTORE AND FORGIVE AND LOVE AND PRAY FOR ONE ANOTHER; WHY JUDGE: NO ONE IN THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD HAS COMMITTED THE UNFORGIVABLE SIN: NOR CAN ANYONE ONE BE KICKED OUT OF THE HOUSHOLD SPIRITUALLY John 8:7 says...he that is without sin among you cast a stone at her. Matthew 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men. Romans 2;1-4; ..Therefore thou are inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest does the same things. 2- But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3- And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and does the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4- Or despiest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and long-suffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? RESTORE Galatians 6:1 Brethren, if a man be overtaken in a fault, ye which are spiritual, restore such an one in the spirit of meekness; considering thyself, lest thou also be tempted. FORGIVE Ephesians 4: 24 And that ye put on the new man. which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 26 Be ye angry. and sin not: 32- and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. LOVE 1 Peter 4:8 ...for charity(agape) shall cover the multitude of sins.. PRAY Ephesians 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all the saints. Thank you for taking the time to read the Word of God the Father has inspired me to write, I pray: He sent his Word, and healed them, and delivered them from their destruction.

Thanks. I listened to an interview yesterday about how the verses used in the Gospels to show the fulfillment of OT prophecies about the Messiah are not accurate. The Rabbi Tovia Singer appears to know the Hebrew bible very well. He was pretty critical of how NT writers took Hebrew verses out of context as well as misinterpreted and/or changed them so they seemingly look like they've been fulfilled in Jesus. This makes sense with what you are both saying above. For anyone interested, the website is below. (I have only listened to the video - I have not studied it yet.)

That's it.

Dr. W, a Priest and a Rabbi are on a sinking boat. Priest gets out, walks on water to the shore and survives. Dr. W gets out, walks on water to the shore and survives. Rabbi tries it and drowns. Priest says "We should have told him about the rocks' Dr. W says "What rocks?" Hardy har. Heard this joke a million times in TWI. To review. Dr. W is a diety, the Priest used a trick and the Jewish guy dies. None of this is a funny joke. This is an antisemitic joke. Funny how time reveals a different perspective. "At least the priest was a Christian."

RAF is more succinct than I.

No. The two principal stars of this film appeared in 10 movies together. This was the sixth. The sequel was another. At the end of the theatrical trailer, there is an outtake of one of the stars in the bath tub saying directly into the camera "If I'd known there was going to be a nude scene, I would've asked for an extra million." The crew found this so hilarious, they ended up using it as a post credits scene. My favorite line: "Then one day you wake up and you realize that you're not 81 any more." During a scene where two of the characters are walking through the ice fishing shacks, you can see a signpost like the one in M*A*S*H (1972) had in the center of camp pointing out distances to member's home towns. The one in this movie (1993) shows "Kenosha, WI 250 miles," "Fair Banks, AK 3130 miles," and "Rosies, Seoul 6750 miles." This is an homage to the TV show M*A*S*H (1972), which lists this in its trivia: "Rosie's Bar" was inspired by a real bar in Seoul called "Rose's Bar." Located just outside Camp Mosier in Seoul, Rose's Bar was located in an area which had a thriving night life catering primarily to U.S. military personnel. After the war, this section of Seoul turned into a residential area, but Rose's bar continued to exist till 1971 when it was brought down to build small apartments. George

yu vThe red thread is, um, how to put it politely... Bulls hit. It's a way for Christians to force their interpretation of scripture onto the O.T. when it's just not there. Like that verse about "he shall be called a Nazarene," which had flupall to do with Jesus. Yeah, the song in Psalm 119:54 his not Christ. Neither is Hosea's latter rain

"Paperback Writer" by Richard, James, John and George.

I can only think of a handful of stars who made that many films together. I'm going to guess that this pair was Woody and Diane Keaton. How about "Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex (but were too afraid to ask)?"

"Dear Sir or Madam, will you read my book?"

Well, it was worth a shot... oh, it was RIGHT? Ok, hang on.....

The original was from Oral Roberts, I think. This idea may go back to the early church fathers - Augustine, maybe? Maybe not. I don't know. Someone does. The gospels deliberately linked their narratives and theologies to the OT (and to Virgil and Homer, according to D.R. MacDonald, et.al.) The writers of the epistles did the same. This is obvious, right? Connect it backwards so you can now connect it forward. It's an interpretive framework. It's reading into the text something not conceived by the OT authors and editors. It's a theological perspective. It's academic. Pretty neat way of looking at it. But it doesn't mean God wrote anything. It just means the writers were clever, as was Oral Robert's. I'm not knocking this interpretive perspective. That's just what it looks like to me. Again, it's academic. It's a glove. If it fits, wear it.

Yes, but I heard it taught in twi without, I think, any mention of Oral Robert. The thought just came to me that this topic was discussed on GSC and with a search, it shows 160 places where it has. So, my question was how did the continuity of this idea make its way all through the OT. This is one of the points that was used to show God had to have been its author.

Like the Oral Robert's sermon?

Somehow people were convinced (hoodwinked?) into accepting vague claims as god-breathed, IMO. There may have been [edit: likely was SOME] some divine inspiration, but I no longer believe that holy men wrote what God told them to write, verbatim. Religion, is generally about finding ways to get humans to act in concert as groups to do what some faction wanted them to do or believe.

Yes, I also see that Genesis 3 is a story and a lot more than just that one chapter as well. What I still wonder about is how the man-made story called the "red thread" of the messiah was kept going through all the years of the OT writings. Any comments or suggestions?

The serpent is Christ

It is a STORY.

There's actually a rather simple, but very logical, answer for that if really you want to hear it. Of course, whether anyone choses to believe it is another matter altogether, as there's never going to be an sort of empirical proof for it. So, I'll merely preface it with some "if's." If in the beginning God created the heavens and the earth... and, as noted elsewhere in scripture, he is the Father of all (Eph. 4:6).. and even more specifically, the Father of spirits... then with that is it not clear that He also the Father of Lucifer? Furthermore, without going too deep into the weeds here... perhaps you'll allow me to continue with some "what if's." What if God needed (or perhaps wanted) a replacement for Lucifer (in reference to the devil, prior to the aspiration to "be like the most High"), who was second (only to God) over all of creation. He could just create another replacement to fill the position Lucifer once held... yes? But, why suppose that there was some imperfection in God's initial creation of Lucifer, that God was going to somehow "do better" the next time around? Do you see the problem with that? If so, then perhaps it will make more sense why God came up with a two step replacement plan that wouldn't ever have the same issue that Lucifer had. The first step involved the creation of man, and a proving period (an appointed time, so to speak.) But the first Adam failed. The second did not. We, as the progeny of the first man Adam, were all subjected to the failures of the first. The law, given many hundreds of years after that first failure, was not given to save anyone. It was given that "every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God." Was the law harsh? Very harsh. It is called the law of "sin and death" for a reason. Yes, the first Adam made a horrendously bad choice. Yet, the second man made a far greater good choice... that we can likewise freely participate in, should we choose to believe it.

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