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Hi Rocky - Nothing I know about. I have one of his paintings and was just looking for info on it's value.

For those arriving late, this is Mike. He said that when Jesus returns, he will be holding a copy of the Orange Book in his hand and will be teaching you from it. He confirmed this was NOT a joke, and that he'd "seen him many times this way." He also has a proven record of rewriting the contents of events at the GSC as well as twi. To be brief, he thinks that "vpw's" books and other reading material have replaced the Bible. Let's see what he's on about today. There’s no way I have the time to get involved in debate here, but I couldn’t help but notice two interesting items are missing here. The first missing item is what did VPW himself say about his use of other people’s material? His words on this topic are conspicuously missing here. Why is that? [That's because it was irrelevant to the discussion. However, I'll humor you in the interest of completeness. Among all the plagiarism where vpw made out that he was working with God Almighty only and nobody else, and places like the introduction to the Orange Book where vpw said exactly that, there was a single book with a single comment made in it. For people who had access to a copy of "the Way-Living in Love", and made it about 200 pages in, there was a passing comment by vpw.] "Nothing I do is original. Putting it together in this format-that was the original part." [That sole statement has been creatively interpreted by a handful of people- all people who insist vpw had a special connection to God Almighty- to mean that vpw was admitting that he was ripping off the work of others. It is nothing of the kind. It is a casual comment, rather vague, about not being original. It said nothing about taking Leonard's work and passing it off as his own, Stiles' work and passing it off as his own, and so on. In fact, vpw took Stiles' book oh the Holy Spirit and retyped it, then rephrased some words in later editions, to conceal that it was plagiarized from Stiles (with Bullinger inserted in the Appendices.) In the first few editions, the intro said that vpw "FOUND" a man who taught hm the Holy Spirit field, and in the later editions, vpw rephrased it so that he and he ALONE figured all this out. It's all a CONSISTENT case of INTENTIONAL plagiarism. vpw definitely did his best to pass off the work of others as his own work. ] I also noticed this crucial information missing EVERY TIME the issue of plagiarism comes up. I think it dampens a lot of theories. [This irrelevant comment has been mentioned many times on this subject- and has been raised by myself more than once. Naturally, Mike never remembers that little detail. It's rewritten, just as what the comment actually MEANS was rewritten. And it "dampens" nothing. There's also no "theories." There's a very clear trail showing vpw plagiarized and did his best to hide his tracks. So, he knew what he was doing was wrong, and did it anyway. For those wondering, we've heard "vpw didn't plagiarize", and "God told him to plagiarize" and a few other little things that a handful of people might actually believe to this day. However, they're dying out of old age. Very few kids are buying this tripe.] Does anyone remember what he said? It’s in print. It was widely distributed, starting in 1972. I’ve posted this item about 10 times here (if not more) since Oldiesman found it around 2003. [It was "widely distributed" in that one book, buried more than 100 pages in. It also was no great "discovery." It was posted, and as many as 4 posters claimed it had significance.] Because I have to limit my time here, so I’ll just leave this item hanging. I’ve written reams on it already. [Mike's definitely written a lot here. When asked, he's never actually GOTTEN TO A POINT. Mike's style is to drop oblique comments, make vague statements, claim he knows more than he's telling, then get offended when either nobody cares, or they get irritated he could spend pages and pages to say he didn't have time to address even ONE direct question. (Lots of time to post filler, not one paragraph of substance.] *** The next conspicuously missing item is B.G. Leonard’s visit to the Rock of Ages 1985. I think it was 1985. I was told about this by a 6th Corps clergy member. What BG told an audience there was that The Way was damned for teaching that SIT was not a gift but a manifestation. [There was an account posted here of someone meeting BGL when he appeared on campus. Leonard flipped out when he heard rock and roll (by Takit) played on campus. He claimed it was the devil's music. ] "This ministry will not stand! It cannot stand! That music is the music of Baal! This ministry is going to fall!" ""Sir! This ministry will fall down because of idolatry, you mark my words!" [More than one person recalled his reaction to that rock music. Absolutely NOTHING was posted about Leonard angry that vpw changed "gift" to "manifestation." That's the kind of ridiculous story that's made up to try to make someone look incompetent or some sort of crank. Here, it looks like someone invented it to try to make Leonard look bad- so they could try to say vpw was better or at least of the same calibre.] In other words, he was angry that VPW did not copy him WELL ENOUGH. [In those few steps, we go from "Leonard thought rock music was the devil's music" to "Leonard objected to minutiae about the class but was fine with it otherwise" to "Leonard was angry vpw didn't rip him off more precisely." That was fast. And we can all see how we got there. Why did we get there? It's all to try to preserve the fable that vpw was a legitimate minister and even more- an exceptional minister. Some people have made that a cornerstone of their lives (a few), and there's no reasoning with them.] Also, him being there at the Rock suggests a much closer relationship between VPW and BG than we are generally aware of. [Steve S@nn invited Leonard , according to accounts. This "much closer relationship" has just been manufactured in front of you.] All of my knowledge of this event came from one person, who is SO much a Gear/Martindale clone that he will no longer talk to me. I’m simply trying to verify what I was told. [Sorry, but there was more than 1 poster who said that, and their accounts agreed. Yours did not. Also, you're not "simply trying to verify". You put forth your claim about this ersatz "relationship" and hoped people would buy it. Let's be honest.] I’m extremely thankful that, although BG was not of the temperament to move his revelations over the globe, VPW was. There was no way BG could have moved the Word with the Hippies. No way. [Leonard was of the temperament to empower existing men of God to make them more effective for God Almighty. He was successful enough that- in pre-internet days- his simple class had gotten international attention (that's how vpw found out- people in the US writing about Leonard.) Leonard didn't think of it as "HIS REVELATIONS" either- which is why he just did the work and didn't focus on getting his name around the world. Frankly, if left alone, Leonard would have kept teaching full-steam, and either a minister he taught would have been sent by God to the hippies, or one of those called by God AMONG the hippies would have taken Leonard's class, and that's all it would have taken. Supposing that Leonard's class was the be-all and end-all you're imagining pfal was.]