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I agree with everyone. Is that really Ol' Jurry there? huh. I recall the Nazi's at the Nuremberg trials, and how a US Military Prosecutor said that as they all were in the Courtroom, and the history of their Reich was being told, that those Officers smiled, smirked, looked at each other with looks that said, "Yes. Do you remember? Ah, those were the days." They stayed like that until the charges were read, photographic evidence shown, and they became stoic. No emotion. And, for the most part, closed mouthed, and unrepentant. I thought about all that junk in that link. Audios of The Holy Spirit class in 1967. Transcripts and records to 1955. That clever way corpse brochure....slick. The tiles of the teachings. The warm lovey dovey all-welcome atmosphere. ALL good. I contrast that with what was happening, from DWBH's accounts (thanks!), then, and in the 70's and 80's, especially the sexual abuse, and I clearly see what we had then was: A living white washed sepulchre. Just like He said. And some walked deep into that blackness. Ughhh. That's enough for me for a bit. Bye. Love

In my opinion, it is a disgrace for anyone to consider VPW as anything other than a con man, plagiarist, and narcissistic womanizer. This Charlene, a.k.a. Penworks. I met Gera#d Wre#n at ECU in 1970. I graduated from the 2nd Way Corps with him, and in my opinion, unfortunaly he is lost in his delusional adoration of VPW. We were all brainwashed back then. It is clear that Ger#ald has not sought to snap out of it. P.S. The Ger#Ald I refer to is the Jurry that DWBH refers to.

It also just occurred to me that both... sitting through 40 years of boring twig fellowships AND listening to those tapes and transcribing them are failures of imagination. IOW, whoever has done either of those things can't IMAGINE anything better to do or think about. Are the things of God really that boring?

I don't think one has to be a con man to have fooled himself into thinking he has spoken in tongues. To the contrary, I believe that every last one of us fooled ourselves into thinking we did it. It wasn't because we were liars or dishonest. It was because we: 1. genuinely wanted to do what we felt the Bible said was possible for us to do. 2. sincerely believed we were taught a method for doing it. 3. Basked in the mutual encouragement that congratulated each other for doing it once we got over hump of letting the sounds out. 4. Sincerely believed our teachers when they said not to believe that "Satanic" voice in the backs of our heads saying this was "just us." We talked ourselves into it. And we did it for SO MANY YEARS that to this day, some of us are unwilling to admit that we fooled ourselves as readily as we tried to fool each other. At no point do I believe this is a matter of malice. It was "wanna" beefed up by massive doses of "God said it, that settles it." But ask them what language they produced, and then sit back and wait for the excuses to fly.

I bet! All new to me. Some of the stuff by an "An#ho#y G#lm#re. 1981. If you go up to "Eternally Blessed", one step up in the menu, all the SNS tapes, tons and tons, texts, transcriptions. Like someone with OCD, an Albert Speer type, has gone nuts. This cataloging has been occurring for year for years. I glanced over transcripts of KC Pillai going through Genesis, Exodus and Leviticus. Someone transcribed the tapes....how'd they get'em...where....typed up and all. There is a treasure trove there: junk to some, valuable to others. . Anyone who wants timelines and so on should look. Transcripts, pages and pages, of the UOL courses, some SNS, and on and on. Audios. It's crazy. Who would listen to tapes from 40 years ago and transcribe them and post them? Or even the Audios? The 16 page "Way Corps" brochure is on that first link....16 pages....color. No wonder I was hooked. So cozy. For Historians and Timeline seekers, et al: http://eternallyblessed.org/archive/ I get curious about this because in all my years I never knew it existed. Sorry if this is "old hat" to some of you.