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When we were having the Great SIT Debate, I noticed that I was able to change minds by sticking to the facts and evidence while others resorted to wishful thinking and distortion of expert testimony. That's how I feel about this excuse for a debate. People are reading, and if they are being honest, they know who is presenting evidence and who is presenting excuses. But I appreciate your input, DWBH. You certainly have a point.

Raf and Rocky...... I admire your patience in continuing to debate with those who have clearly renounced the use of reason. It is an exercise in futility, imho, and as Thomas Paine said, it’s like “administering medicine to the dead.” LOL! i say this not as a matter of condescending sarcasm, but as an objective view of the numerous grand debates throughout the course of mankind's history regarding the fundamentally contrary positions of reason versus faith. Oftentimes, the conclusion on both “sides” is that they tend to be mutually exclusive, precisely because their definition of terms is contradictory. For example, take the word “evidence”. The “spiritual” definition of the bastardization of the meaning of “evidence” is epitomized by dictor paul’s incessant repetition of, ”Speaking in tongues is the manifestation in the senses realm, of the internal reality and presence of holy spirit. The evidence that you are born again from on high and that you’re going to heaven and all hell can’t stop you!”. This is a slick cover-up of the old logical fallacy of false equivalence. DP gets the “student” to equate speaking in tongues as MATERIAL EVIDENCE in the “senses realm” of holy spirit present in the person speaking. The cognitive dissonance of the illogic is smoothed over by the invention of a non-existent “spiritual realm” equal, if not superior to, the realm of the incomplete “natural man” which is unfortunately limited to only what she/he can see, hear, smell, taste, or touch. However, every mammal on Earth learns everything it ever knows like that, so limiting mankind to the realm of incomplete “body and soul”, discounts or eliminates that which really sets humanity apart from all the other mammals....THE ABILITY TO THINK/REASON at a higher level than any other species on the planet. Once you can get a human being to equate being “limited to the 5 senses” to the need for the superior “spiritual knowledge” that SOMEONE ELSE owns the secret to, you diminish that person’s ability to THINK, and convince that person that she/he NEEDS the completion that only “God” can bring in order to really “know that you know that you know!” what the TRUTH is and what the meaning and purpose of life is. Neat trick used by every successful snakeoil salesman in history. LOL! So, for the statement I quoted at the opening of this post to even be put forth as a meaningful, substantive, or rational topic for discussion or consideration is, imho, absurdly ludicrous. Hence, my admiration of your patience! Good luck in your medication administration to the intellectually dead walking among us under the guise of “spiritual” ANYTHING, let alone insight or wisdom............peace fellas!