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I usually lock horns with Mike - I agree with what you said about him

Mike has a tendency to talk out of both sides of his mouth…it reminds me of wierwille’s contradictory ideas. He’d talk about God’s ineffable greatness on one hand but then he’d put God in a box with what He can and cannot do.

We already were. Goof goof.

And whose fault is that? you are the author of your reputation

Funny and sad. Martindale, Corps and Corps Nazis are of the seed of victor paul wierwille. There is no Corps or Martindale without victor paul wierwille. PERIOD. I've read accounts from people who knew LCM before he was inseminated by vpw. The difference is a white-heart-black-heart kind of difference. LCM, the Corps, and everyone else were spiritually raped by vpw. Even the hippies of Rye and the House of Acts were spiritually raped by victor's wicked phallus. I wonder how far they might have gone. I wonder what kind of continued impact they might have had, if they had not been stolen by the thief who came to steal, kill and destroy. Mike has admitted on other threads that bias is a good thing. He has also admitted to not understanding confirmation bias. He has admitted to clutching and clinging to his bias. He beleeves in his bias.

On the other hand - many of your theories are untenable - and you’re mischaracterizing the Socratic method as a bias by others…you’ve had MANY opportunities to provide evidence to support your suppositions - but you have a PATTERN of dodging and redirecting the discussion - if you have something that is truly of merit it should be able to stand up to the toughest close scrutiny… this is such a disappointment- when shown you are wrong or negligent in providing evidence for your theory - you whine and complain people are biased - and you seem to shrink from ever admitting you’re wrong…or just say you’ve got the info somewhere…maybe that’s your way of admitting you’re ill-prepared - and that’s okay - but don’t criticize others for inadvertently proving you are merely offering up some half-baked bull-$hit - I want that bull-$hit fully cooked! The percentage of your happiness is irrelevant to validation

It seem that mike has no actual respect for scripture or actual faith that God is capable of having a book written that can just be read for what it says. No secret numerical code, no secret word games, etc, all that stuff is occultic in nature. Also, no wierwille needed. Nobody needs wierwille's faulty intrepretations of scripture that are rooted in the occult and from charlatans like EW Kenyon, name it and claim it garbage. Mike's defence mechanisms are so strong around his illogic that not one shred of humility shines through. Its just mike's way and when we try and tell him "yo, mikey, scripture diesnt say that" it's always our fault because "we just don't get it". Sad part is mike probably thinks we actually can't understand spiritual matters because were so out of fellowship and hate filled around here...ya ok. Mike: you need a closed society like the way international that's heavily controlled and that lacks basic honesty to be able to function with some of this junk. You can present a topic and everyone can say "wonderful, tremendous, oh thats so spiritually deep, and so forth". But when any level of critical thiking is applied to your theories they fall flat by all standards, well, except your standards but you can move those all you need. Its sad really. You seem to be an intelligent, kind hearted individual.

With wierwille it may have been a perfect storm of some unpredictable factors. wierwille tapped into the zeitgeist of youthful counterculture of the 60s and 70s, with new dynamic subcultures that celebrated experimentation and the rise of alternative lifestyles. He was an opportunist besides being a flagrant plagiarist and liked to steal from the fruit of other people’s hard work. He even set his sights on the evangelical Christian movement of “Jesus people” or “Jesus freaks” - there have been some discussions on Grease Spot about wierwille’s attempts to hijack the Jesus movement in 1968 & 69 - note a few pertinent links: Jim Doop the Way West and VPW brief timeline of wierwille’s career about Doop and Heefner Jimmy Doop's post Sept. 8 2005 about The Way West and wierwille wanting to control the money

Still - you assume God has rules - just saying your premises are so categorically unbiblical and untenable any reasonable person would reject them right off the bat! your argument is weak everywhere because it has no strength of support anywhere! Your “theories” of limitations about God or the devil are asinine - since you don’t know what you’re talking about and ignore scripture presented to debunk your goofy ideas - like earlier I Peter 5:8 …please review previous posts before you go spinning up more bull-$hit.

Yep....always blame the victim.

Excellent point, So-crates!!!!! That’s where wierwille’s stipulations come in handy! Didn’t receive what you were believing for? Maybe it wasn’t available. Maybe you weren’t really believing – you just had mental assent. I know - you haven’t been abundantly sharing. You ninny, you were probably out of fellowship.