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My personal take on the entire concept and practice of "ordination" in twit is that it was manufactured by Vic. It is completely his interpretation, or rather misinterpretation, of yet more Pauline doctrine. Twit is a Pauline church, not a Christian church IMO. "We take the place of the ABSENT CHRIST" was the definition of a SOGWAP......remember that acronym? Paul is the head of vic's "ministry" not Jesus Christ. Vic assumed the place of his fantasy of what Paul must have been like and that became the model of the mog. Then, Vic pounded away at the ultradispensationalist teaching that ONLY the Pauline Epistles and a few others (like Peter, John) are "god breathed" TO the church. EVERYTHING in their version of the bible is either TO Israel, The Gentiles, or FOR our learning. Most of the splinters teach exactly the same thing, and thus I say they are all Pauline ministries and not Christian per se. ALL the definitions of the so-called (by vic) "5 gift ministries" allegedly listed in Ephesians are made up by vic! Please show me any place in the bible where these "definitions" are given. Show me any place in the bible where anything at all resembling twit's ordination rituals are presented as vic performed them. No one can do so. The entirety of vic's "man of gawd" fantasy is based on vic's own perverted sociopathic narcissism and his "revelatory understanding" of what Paul and gawd really meant is as good as Paul's revelation in the first century. It's all delusional folks. There is no shred of biblical or Godly "accuracy and integrity". It is simply make believe. So, I place absolute no credence, biblical, spiritual, Christian, Pauline or otherwise in ANYTHING vic taught or practiced with his so called ordinations. I don't presume to have ANY "gift ministries" or "helps and governments" to or for any church. I am not a dispensationalist in my overall view of the bible, so I reject the emphatic elevation of the Pauline Epistles above the rest of scripture. I do not think Jesus Christ, nor the Heavenly Father had any more to do with twi ordinations than other ordinations in any denominations or independent churches, and really, IMO, far less. We're there actual Christian ministers faux ordained by Vic during the course of his 40 year charade? Yes! I agree with Sunesis re: Steve Heefner, Jimmy Doop, and Donnie Fugit. They had Christ goini' on and it had absolutely nothing to do with vic or his ordination hooey. It had everything to do with God and Christ and Holy Spirit......the real deal. As for the rest of us? Who knows. It became more like a fraternity door prize than anything meaningful. Probably it was always that way, I just didn't know it. I am a Christian. No more and no less than any other Christian. I am no one special in my mind. I'm an RN, not a clergyman. I don't believe or accept one thing as truth regarding vic'n'twit's interpretation or practice of what they called "ordination to the Christian ministry". It's as real as Harry Potter to me.

I'll take "Threads that no one wants to see resurrected" for $2,000, Alex.

Awesome post by DWBH. I don't believe VP knew Christ. If he did not know Him, how could he possibly have taught him to others? He didn't. Christ was glossed over. He was reduced to an incantation at the end of a prayer. TWI was always about God and the Bible. God's heart - Christ - was missing. I have often thought over the years, the biggest disservice done to people who wanted to know God, who came to TWI, was that they were not taught who truly Christ is. I remember during my time in TWI hearing other Christians, not in TWI, talk about their relationship with Christ. I always wondered - what are they talking about? What am I missing? When I left TWI, the very first thing God taught me was who Christ is. I mulled over this idea, this strange thought for months. I had put my Bible down and also hadn't read it in months. One rainy day, in my little studio apartment on E. 95th Street in Manhattan I read the Gospel of John - fireworks went off in my mind - Oh, I see... I have heard, but now I see. Now, I understand when people talk about their relationship with Christ. He is God's heart, he is the mediator between God and Man. We had God, we had the "Word," but we didn't have the Heart - Christ. Many people can know the Bible, preach it and yet still not believe it, not really. False teachers come from within the body, not from without. The Bible can give the one preaching a nice moral framework to live by, nice things to think about and one can try and make his flesh live by it, but without Christ - God's heart and the Holy Spirit dwelling in us - the flesh and its sin nature will always win, in the end. You cannot change your nature, your will cannot change your nature, your flesh cannot change your nature, your cat cannot change its nature - its nature is cat - our nature is fallen. It is the Holy Spirit that Christ gave that transforms our flesh and nature and conforms us, regenerates us and reconstitutes in us the Image of God we were originally created in. It is Christ who gave us back our lost Holiness. It is the Holy Spirit, the Breath of God, dwelling in us, who gets down and dirty with us in the depths of our souls and transforms us into a new creature in ways our flesh cannot. We become a new creation. A masterpiece of God to be unveiled one day in Glory. VP focused on Paul. His sin he could not keep hidden - not in the long run.