JustThinking

So then there is/was someone reviewing every order? I guess when you're as small as they are now, it shouldn't be too hard to pick out non-members.

Does JL have a job? Or do the folks at CES or whatever group he hangs with support him? Personally, I don't know him nor ever met the man. He has done nothing to me. Just curious how one can spend two decades contemplating one's navel. My electricity would have been turned off...oh, 19 years and 10 months ago. Maybe I'm doing this whole thing wrong... ;) JT

Good grief Charlie Brown!!!! How long are these guys going to milk this thing? Wierwille died over 20 years ago. His family (the rock of TWI) is scattered and his enterprise is a little shell of itself. And TWI still has more going for them than these has-beens. "I used to be somebody." If all you have to do is ponder of events from a quarter of a century ago, how shallow was your life in the first place? JT

I believe I remember hearing that at least once. It may have been a class or ROA. Not sure. Same thing about his family. Some sort of connection between the Werewolf family standing and TWI. There are others around who can do the quote justice. JT

Sigh... I absolutely can identify. For all the criticism TWIt leader.... take, some of us rank and filers could be pretty bad too. One of my "shining moments": Telling a Greek Orthodox priest he was wrong about a Greek translation. He was a native speaker trained in classical greek and Hebrew. He looked at me like I was an idiot. Seems he was right on that point too! JT

Who is/are the miniMOG?

Did the FC call you or file a report with the higher-ups? Just curious. If it was put in writing, it's probably in a file somewhere. JT I think the fetish thing was reserved for Way Corps only. JT

OMG, I remember that! It was even suggested to some WOWs (or whatever they were called by then) to "move to where the WORD was." Then the corpse moved because they found a cheaper house. So the WoWs were just kicked to the curb. Nice, huh? I can't remember any real life in the twig past the mid 90s. Maybe early 90s. JT :biglaugh: :biglaugh: :biglaugh: That's hysterical!!!! Really?!!! How lame can you GET?! JT

It's four. Rozilla, her "assistant" Ms Craig, their account and lawyer. :unsure: JT

I don't remember even seeing anyone keep track of attendance. The ONLY focus was on the money generating activities such as running classes. That's about it. There was never any tracking of how the existing people were doing. It was actually embarrassing to see how impoverished they were. (On many levels) A new person came with me once and said "your friends all look like losers. Nothin' personal. Why do they talk about abundance and look like they don't have a pot to p**s in?" No wonder TWI was shrinking... JT

In our area, people were kicked out at the beginning for the smallest things. However, once the fellowships got pretty small, it seemed like they were less prone to toss folks out the door. When they got down to just three people, they would hang onto you for dear life. A branch coordinator had to have two fellowships to keep his/her job. Minimum three people in each. Kick just one out and, poof, no more BC. IF that did happen, we would just shuffle one of the deck chairs on the LieTannic to shore up the two person fellowship and move on. Eventually, we got down to a gag-gle of very small, boring fellowships. Couldn't combine though. That would "limit the opportunities for growth." Hahahahahaha.... BTW, my last three years were full of weekly and very mandatory "outreach" sessions. No one new at fellowship? MUST go out witnessing after fellowship. Even on a school night with little kids. At nine o'clock at night. (7:30 fellowship followed by mandatory refreshments) I did not see one new single person start coming, take a class and stay for even a month. The only "growth" was through way kids. Most classes were 2/3 full of 12 year olds. It got so bad they lowered the minimum number of students twice. If they hadn't, way kids would have waited as much as two to three years just to pull together one foundational class with seven recruits. They had people come from as far as two hours away just to make it work. Talk about being on life support. As for reasons to get booted, it was usually one of two big things. Debt was numero uno. If you had a house that was bought 20 years ago with a 30 year loan, you had to sell it NOW to get out of debt. No matter the financial impact or how old you were. Refuse and you would be tormented, oops, "counseled." Any back talk and you'd likely be labelled a "homo" and tossed on your rear. No kidding. The other was not allowing the local corpse to jump into your life and run it. NO question was too personal. Fail to comply and you were "spiritually suspect." That's one step away from "homo." Sort of like a sliding scale. :( JT

So back to the question at hand... I knew Claudette AFTER the POP and meltdown, etc. She never expressed an opinion on such matters to me but then we weren't long time friends either. She did get sent on the field for a while but not sure why. If she had major heartburn, it sure didn't show. And as I'm not the searcher of hearts... JT

I had the privilege of getting to know Claudette and spending time in her home on many occasions. I care how she feels and how she's doing. Going by how she treated me and how I saw her live, I love her very much. She taught me many life lessons that I use today. I also saw her do things when nobody else could see that were an inspiration. And that includes for non-wayfers and people that others wouldn't give the time of day. Even a homeless person. If you didn't know her personally, please be careful of making assumptions. And, yes, I know there could be bad things about her, what did she know, etc. I can't comment there. Just going by my own two eyeballs. JT

THAT is an insightful statement. (IMHO) JT

Seth, I seem to remember the same thing. There were a few folks like Dave Lutz who were still in but packed up and moved out of the cornfield. Dave was given the great honor of performing once while I was at HQ visiting. Not sure if Bob's circumstances were. I ran into him at a ROA while he was in FL and had a brief nice chat. Seems like a very nice guy. Approachable, without the 1990s "bow down, I'm WAY CORPS" attitude. JT

So was the program in Utah called FLU?

I'm good. This is actually good info. (IMHO) It also gives me a better answer than just a poll. I really was curious what the lasting impact was. It is a bit surprising to see that more people gained interest than lost. For those who came into TWI as a christian, I'm glad to see there were some positive outcomes. JT

Waysider, What was FLO? JT

I hate to nitpick but... To me, Wayworld was more like communist Russia. Hitler was pretty upfront about his intentions. Wrote a book, announced it on the radio and pretty much said "we're going to get rid of Jews, etc." Stalin was a monster who killed millions too but he was much better at PR and crafting a public image. He had many in the U.S. believing in his "workers paradise." In Germany, you could see the undesirable types being loaded on trains. In Russia, they just disappeared. With the exception of Craig's temporary stint announcing dropped Corpse, folks were just...gone. It was actually creepy. One day they were there and then...not. And the management at TWI just pretended not to notice. Singing for WayProd one day (Dave Lutz) and the next your tapes were gone from the bookstore. When Stalin purged you, he actually had photos retouched to remove you completely. ...now we return to our regularly scheduled programming... JT

I'm very glad. Hopefully, it's constructive. How ironic! Sorry to hear about the splinter group. I'm almost joined one after TWI but saw a room full of bitter former corpse looking for someone to boss around. The Little Napoleans Club. ;)JT Funny, he doesn't LOOK like an atheist...

So, it's not that you made a conscious decision then to read it less? Out of curiousity, do you still attend a place of worship or Bible study of some kind? I ask because (only in my opinion) it seemed that the Bible was only secondary to some in TWI. The social aspect came first. (Looking for somewhere to belong?) The Bible "stuff" was secondary. Lose the social aspect and maybe the rest goes away too. Not sure if I'm saying that well... Hope it makes sense. JT

No more annoying that the "just thank you" prayers... "Father, I want to just thank you for..." Over and over and over and over and over and...." JT

Despite all the problems I saw in TWI, I did end up with more respect for the Bible than before. Just curious if others did as well. I'd love to hear where you are now. Call it research, reading or whatever. If someone sparked an interest or desire that remains, what did it? JT

Uhh...a BC do physical work? You must have left a LOOONNNGGG time ago. That practice ended in the 90s when the corps became full-time, absolute rulers of all they surveyed. Wasn't Mel Brooks in that? ;) JT

Only a TWI flashback could put this thought in my head: Do you mean dating between two SINGLE people? :)