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I was in the 15th corps and it was an unwritten,unspoken accecptance that having sex with the MOG was o.k.(If you could handle it)

I know of two of my corps sisters that had this type of relationship with the BOT. One was an eX-hooker from N.Y and the other was well-endowed.

This type of unspoken doctrine originated in PFAL. When it was taught that King David could have any women in the kingdom and that his "sin" was having Urriah murdered, it set a non-verbal open door on the subject. After all David was choosen of God and even the prophet Nathan was at risk of death for speaking up about it. (V.PE interpretation) This type of crap puts in the mind of the young beleiver that sex was o.k for the MOG to have anyone he chooses and only God can reprove that man.

I too know by experiance this crap. One of the most loving men I knew at H.Q, I blew. He had a wife and two kids and was on the Pres. cabinate and/or was head of a dept.

How did I get to this mind set that nothing was sacrad, but only the word of God. How did I get to the place that my own self respect takes a back seat when it comes to MOG and his needs. Where did this .... come from? Well for me I believe it started with PFAL.

This is the first time I have spoken anything about this and it is frightening. Frightening because I am not a slut and wanted more than anything to be a WOG. I wanted to be a spiritual women and I believed at the time it was my obligation. Reflecting back I am sad and grieve my loss of spiritual innocence.

Putting your life in word form is challanging enough. Having to put it in a public forum is stressful and makes you valnerable.

YOUR STORY forum is one of thr most theraputic tools in prosessing. It like a support group. You speak your truth and avail yourself to the folks that have had the same experiance. It is cathartic and healing. It is a place to embrace one anothers journey, not to be the critic of it.

Well said OAK.

Your in my thiughts snd prayers

Well said Shaz,

OM... I think you're having a challange accepting responcibility for your part in this Cult thing. I sence you do not like to acknowledge your valnerability to a system that was not so honest or forth right. Hey, we all got duped and that is o.k.

"I WISH I WHERE THE MAN I KNOW TO BE" speaks volumes to me. I think on a fraudian sub-conscience level V.P was aware of the contol he had on people and the self proclaimed MOGOAT effect.

I know when I was in a leadership position I believed I represented the absent Christ when I walked the word. That God talked to me 24-7 and that I could do no wrong. That when things did not go my way(as i Saw it)it was a personal attact from the advisary.

I grew into a grandious...my stuff don't stink,"WOG". Arragance was over flowing and I had forgotten more Bible then most people will ever know. Sound familure?

This is A closed system type behavior modifacation that prevailed in TWI. On one side of the coin you were brow beat. On the otherside you could join the "Called of God" to His "HOUSEHOLD". God's Crack troops.I took tke Bait.

Yes, VePe was a complicated man and his complication has had residgual affects on the masses.

I do have to ask one question. What happened in his life that made him NOT the man he knew to be?

VICTIM AND VICTIMIZER...As for me I have had to prosess the duality of being both. I know there were many examples to follow and I did my best to walk in there wake. I lost my whole since of self and became the next higher ups clone.REMEMBER: "Imatation is the highest form of flattery".

I still come back to intent and motive to keep the shame at bay. I know my actions were because I did not know any better and expected the leadership to pave a pathway (example) of what was right and "HOW TO" walk the talk. The higher up the ladder I went the more uncomfortable things got..internally.

YES, we were all victims and yes in some cases... victimizers. Weither willingly and knowingly aware or just following, hoping it was the right thing to do,personal acountability is in store.

How much blame goes on the cult and how much you take ownership for is a privat matter and to be handled honestly with kind gloves.

I was introduced to this kind of disorder befor I got into TWI. My father had his own little cult following and held on tight till the day he lost his marbles. (Dementia) His wife and kids were his cult.

I cycled right in TWI without missing a beat. After much therapy I can easily recognize the red flags of narcissism. VPW/LCM were the "kings" of the heep. There was and is, much more of this disorder prevalent at TWI. And I must say some ex-TWI folks have this disorder too. In order to be a TOP NOTCH cult leader you have to be narcissistic first. This has nothing to do with those of us who had a heart of gold and really wanted to serve.

For me there where a bunch of good times and horrible times. The good times were with people that loved me and whom I loved.

I remember sharing a 1/2 pint of Brandy with my TC for her birthday, she was totally cool. I hid my stash in a wood pile at Emporia. Palma Driscol was my favorite "bag lady" cause she always dressed in antique vintage clothing. She made corps life laughable.

Another memorable moment was taking Dean Don's motorcycle for a spin with a good friend on the back. We stoped at an old abandend farm house and took a peek inside. In the basement was a copla stems of pot hanging to dry out. When I touched it was dust.

My final year was spent at Gunnison. I spent 4 months in a library reading the gospels like a novel. I fell in love with Jesus Christ. I was suppose to be organizing the book shelves.

It seems the times most precious were not around a program but around people...and quiet connection with God.

I wish my 3 years in residence was all healthy but it wasn't. Along with my fond memories is alot of emotional pain. What I know about the Way Corps now,if I had known of the residual effects on my life... I woudn't have gone in.

JF,

Even though the 7th is past, I hope that today goes well for you too.

Like ex-10 said, God communicates in different ways. I know when I have a rough day I just let the universe take care of me. I ask my higher power to use what ever means to reach me and nurture myself in the intrime. Listen to some healing music or go play with a pet. That will bring your anxiety level down so you can receive. Hope today is better, you are in my thougts.

Cherished Child,

Your mention of the lust affair beteen Eve and the serpent really made me laugh. Is this for real? Did LCM really teach that non-sence? OH my... I'm saddened that not only has his seared thinking (logic) been so twisted but the delusional insight into the "SCRIPTURES" scream loudly of insanity. I'm so glad I left in 89.

If you want real research read "Reading the Bible again for the first time" by Marcus J. Borg. What he has done is stimulating,challanging and thought provoking. Research that inspires the reader to concider and think for themselves. His work makes VeePee's "research" seem unrealistic and down right childish.

NOMAD888, Boy am I glad this kid turned out o.k.

I fear to think what could happen if this man's anger was not theraputiclly handled. I really hope he is truly healed up amotionally.

This really upsets me to think TWI would stup so low as to have a cyber hit list of posters. They have gone to being Biblical(?) to being Religious to being a 21th Century inqusition.

I feel sad for the folks that continue to be dooped by this organization. This is not Democracy but Terraney with a religious twist. Sounds like a Middle Eastern country don't it.

Ex, It has been difficult to ask for help. In my head that means I'm weak or am imperfect. TWI really screw me up for years with that one. There was always an emotional consequence to asking for help. Thank God I joined the rest of the world and allowed myself to "be human". What a relief it is to say,"I don't know,I can't do this,I'm not sure,I don't understand,I'm not that strong and I'm in pain".

It is good to be alive with imperfections. That is a part of my uniqueness and I embrace it all.

diazbro, ;)--> ;)--> :D--> ;)--> :)--> that made mw laugh out loud.

I work with kids that have been treated like animals. Let me tell you what becomes of their lives.

1. When a child is not nurtured well and is emotionally and phisically neglected,and or abused (he/she) go into survival mode. This causes a whole slue of cemistry embalances in the brain. IRREVERSABLE

2. When that child starts to devolope mentally, there is a level of fight or flight that happens 24-7. Part anxiety, part anger. Anxiety steaming from the next moment of neglect or bout of violence. Anger because the child is helpless and is continually fustrated about his/her condition.

3. By the time this child this child is 5-6, there is no human bonding(lacks any kind of trust), lack social skill, is uncontrolably angry and is still in a survival mode. Also is not sad for someone elses misfortune. Little or no remorse.

4. Usually this child is so disruptive they cannot attend public school. He/She take delight in provoking peers and learns real quick the can do about anything they want. They become very edepth at not getting caught at minor offense.

4. By the time they are adults if there has been no intervention, they become criminal in there lifestyle and or addicts which leads to criminal behavior. Prognosis is incarceration or death by cicumstances.

The best we can do on a social level is give them Meds to augment the chemical embalance, provide a safe enviorment to live in and do some intensive behavior modification. But unfortunatly some residential are abusive in there management of these kids too.

Train your child like a dog? VePeW thank God your wife raised your kids. While you were to busy "Working the Word" your kids escaped the best of your training. If I was your child I would be totally embarrased by you

and your lunatic methods.

My first love was in 7th grade. We went into a janators closet fot the first kiss. I was scared to have the lights on so we kissed with them off. He kissed my eye, I kissed his nostril.(nose) After that I didn't kiss again till I was 20. That was my first reality of romance.

Thanks for the info. Where I live sending smoke signals would be a faster way to communicate then a cell phone. I live where there is a lot of Granite and Iron deposits.

I'm more concern about my water supply then my phone. In my area they put levels of arsnic to purify the water. So i get bottled water.

I use a speaker ear phone when I'm in the cordless. It's nice to be reminded again of why the small inconviences in my life. With my Mother and Uncle dying of lung cancer and brain cancer I am sensitivly aware of my odds and refuse to leave this earth in that fasion. It is a horrible way to die. I know first hand.

Good article!

Hey Daryl,

Thanks for you story. Your invited to dinner over at my place and bring your boyfriend with you.

You are always welcomed. :D--> --> :)-->

Unchanined Melody... by Rightious Brothers

Just Breath... by Faith Hill

Friends in low places...Garth Brooks for the party

In the other post(TWI and abuse) I mentioned a book by Alice Miller "FOR YOUR OWN GOOD", [Hidden cruelty in child-rearing and the roots of violence.]

I think this book will do wonders to open up your undestanding to why TWI taught parenting like they did.

Be advised that those of us who followed there teachings had hearts of gold in wanting to be the best parents possible.

AS for me I believe God has covered a multitude of ignorance with a whole lot of GRACE AND LOVE.

Child-rearing is more inspiried help from God then it is a wooden spoon suppliment or replacement for God.

The book I mentioned in the previous post is by Alf or Olf Miller, "For your on good". Shellon you made a good point that weither it is as "harmless" as calling a child stupid or "Beating" the tar out of them....Abuse is abuse". It never is acceptable and never will be no matter how gentle it may appear. {{{{{{{{PERIOD}}}}}}}}}

I just started reading this thread today.4/2/04 WWWOOOOOWWWW. My love and support goes out to the families that were so effected by this level of deciet not to mention criminal coverup. For all those that have spoken their truth, thank you for your courage. I know how painful at times it has been.

Weither the BOT new or not,(I believe they did) they are liabe and ultimatly responcible for the continued abuse that incured. Much like the catholic church it is a prevlent tactic to denie and bury harmful factual truth.

OM after viewing your responce to what has been posted here, I gather that you are in your 50's and possibly from a german background. I know the generation that was born of the 1940's-1950's came from the experiance of harsh and silent upbring. That was acceptable behavior and treatment for raising children. I am a product of that generation.

There has been a huge up swing of folk in our generation to be on psycotic meds, have black and white thinking and into addictions.

VPW was German and had a charisma that was captivating. He employed alot of his upbring into his teachings. You could probly trace back most of his family teachings to his Idelic Patriarcle Germatic influences. Children should be seen not heard. There is a book out on this that discribes this mind set and its origins. Not to mention the lasting effects on folks like us. At present I do not remember it. I will post it on this thread.

Om... I also gather that your particapation with children is very limlited or that your hiding a possible character flaw that is harmful. You speaking your truth with no reference point other your interpretation of the Bible. There is something bigger behind the scenes here that your not saying. So with that I suspect...... That something has happened to you and you minimize the events or somthing happened to someone eles and your part ownership of it. Well that is my spin.

WC, you have been incredably tolerant on this thread and think you for you imput. You have a right to be strong in your opinion, if down right angry. You too Templelady. Lindy thanks.

Aside from the Bible ,I believe it is a move to reinforce Patriaricle Dominance over a female body in the long run. I'm not in favor of abortion as a form of birth control.

I do beleive that there should be a capital consquence to the ending of a fetus potentiallity of life when violent conditions like Lacy Perterson occures. I know it sounds contidictory but this issue of fetus life or lack of life will never be black or white.

What was denied was a "wanted child" by Lacy and that changes the whole dynamics of this case. It's hard to say why, it just does.

Dear PJ

I am new to cyberspace and can barly type. More than anything I wish you well, give them h*ll.