imbus

Alice Walker is a well known psychiatrist of Germany back in the 80s and wrote this book in german first. The world got a hold of it and since has been translated in English. Her work in the feild of violence is renown. It's worth owning and is a keeper.

Laleo,

Another well written peice. I can see from your perspective and it is "easy to be entreated".(James 3:17) However with some posters, using your anaogy... they have been very accusitory and have figuritivly stated, "You have diabeties because your a pig and have no self control". A stsement based on ignorance. When simply a pre-exisiting problem was the truth of the matter.(A predisposition for diabeties).Who would have guessed.

I know that the cake was not in Oldies cook book. But because it wasn't in his cook book does not mean it was not in mine, when in fact it was. He has leaned hard on the credability of the individuals who's cook book is different.

I know this post was in responce to anothers post. Thought I would jump into the mix.

MC, Glad you wrote, glad your here. :)-->

Just thinking,

You got it...Good for you! Awsome Book!

Nice going Dot. :D--> ;)--> :D-->

More validation.

More awareness.

More skills.

Dot...can I have your autograph? Well said, well put, well done.

Reality is ... we are all victims of TWI, one way or another. Some more severe than others.

Some have moved on, some have just started their journey of recovery and some, yes, will be stuck for years.

Even Oldie is a victim. He is so incased in TWI reality that he is not aware or just does't care, how it will effect anothers.

Shi@ happens and life is not fair but thank God there are loving folks out there that support and assist the process of healing.

As it has been said..."You are a part of the problem or part of the solution." I believe 98% of the folks that post want to heal and move on.

If a few get inspiried to be an avocate for the facts, let's not misread that as being stuck or unforgiving.

Oldies I have said in a previous post that you are the most hurt person I have come across on this web site.. I hope that one Day you heal. But I do understand that the reality of all that has been said, is very disturbing and can cause emotional deress. If your belief system keeps you safe than I support you. Although I don't like the way you treat people.

Smitty,

Well I guess that says it all. Boy when you look at your life factually it is rather sobering.

Not to sound redundent... but "For Your Own Good" by Alicwe Miller will substanctiate the Patton syndrome of V.P. Victors mind set for hierarchh was already astablished by the time he was a young adult. The Autocratic teachings that were a part of his germanic up bring played out in his organization.

This book I have mentioned explains Hitler, Weirwill and other individuals who have masterfully manipulated the masses.

Yes, according to this book V.P did fashion TWI and the WC like a militay power house, "spiritually speaking". Gods crack troops. Go figure. Another part of the puzzle put in place.

This is a great day at GS. Thanks :)-->

ML... I'm sorry about your situation. Bro , your in my thoughts and prayers. Hang out in the Cafe' for a spell and get all the support you need. Lots of encouragement here.

Sometimes you'll find yourself laughing over the silliest and stupidist things. I started to call you Moonie and thought otherwise. SEE :D-->

I wasn't around when M&A was activated. Thank God. I do know by experiance what is like to be emotionally cut off and physically isolated. My mother used this tatic over and over again and believe me it is effective. Great means of control and instills greater codependency. :(-->

Danny,

I guess in my mind, in comparison to V.Ps life of service, I didn't rate. No wonder why I pushed so hard for so long. It was my all in all and it still wasn't good enough.... Thanks for the aha! :D--> Comparing suck! :(-->

I have not spoken of TWI with anyone, with TWI experiance, close to 15yrs. My therapist yes. She has gone as far with me as she can go. She assisted with getting my core self to the surface of my life. Not buried anymore underneath layers of abuse and self destructive behavior.

With this site I am able to adress some of the doctrinal beliefs and mind sets that still prevail my thinking. It's nice to see yourself in others post, knowing first your not alone and have had the same questions.

Although some folks means of communication might be uncomfortable...Who is to say thay can't express the what they fell. If I did'nt have some restaint, I would be Miss Pottie Mouth.

For me, this site has healed and challanged the very depths of me. And it was all free. :D-->

TS,

Well put. Definatly something to concider. I was around from "76-89". I was not at the heart of the info-structure but on the edge of it with corps. So my experiance was not direct with V.P. I will say I was very well treated by leadership except when the MICRO-management jerks were in place.

I started experiancing the "rein of terror" while in the Corps. If what happened to me while I was in the corps, was indicative of who V.P was than I'm thankful the man is no longer here.

Tom your perception for some reason makes me feel sad. I guess I was hoping that there was more spirituality to this man. He was so damn conviencing and so were his teachings.

I guess I'm sad because I gave my all and I still greive.

It was my first year in residence, I was at Emporia. I remember being shut down emotionally. It took everything out of me at that time to be in the 15th corps and I felt nothing.

Pat and John L@nn made availabl to the corps, to take a petal off of the roses on display if you so wished. They were sent from H.Q I think.

I took a petal and taped to the inside of my Bible. Below it I wrote:

"The Old Violin"

Twas battered and scarred the auctioneer thought it scacely worth his while,

To waste much time on The Old violin, but held it up with a smile.

"What am I bid good folks?" he cried. "Who'll start the bidding for me? A dollar, a dollar- now two,only two- Two dollars,and who will mqke it three?".....---But No

From the room far back a grayed hair man, came forward and picked up the bow; Then wiped the dust from the old violin,and tightenrd up al the stings, heplayed a melody pure and sweet, as sweet as the angels sing.

The music ceased, and the Auctioneer,with a voice that was quiet and low.said "What am I bid for the old violin?" and held it up with the bow.

"A thousand dollars, who"ll make it two, two thousand - and who'll make it three? Three thousand once, and three thousand twice- and going and gone" said he.

The people cheered but some of them cried," We do not quite undestand, What change the worth?" a man replied: "THE TOUCH OF THE MASTERS HAND"

V.P Weirwills Teachings and TWI kept me alive and gave me a reason to live. It also has caused endless heart-ache for me too. But I must admit without "his ministery", I probly would not be typing at this time, but layed in a grave somewhere. So I do recognize the importance of his life in relationship to my existence.

I just wish he was the man he knew to be.

Goey, :D-->

Wonder 1,

Laleo,

Thanks for you insight. I really appriciate your objective veiw on this matter. Your writing style speaks volumes of mindful intent. I felt that it was well developed without prejudice. Your imput is always welcomed in my life.

I realize that for every opinion,there is a religion. Each is entitled to believe as thy choose. The topic at hand is a tough one. It has complexities that we haven't begun to cover or are not even aware of. I understand though there are no black and white answers just alot of gray. Life is actually lived in the gray zone.

When one posts it is either subjective or objective. I find I post from my experiance (subjective) and find it difficult to see things from a different angle.

Thanks for the way you have handled this topic. I will ponder what you have written. I do know that "each cituation merits its on judgement" and "God only knows what is in the heart of a person" when it comes to intent. The intent of Leadership and those that followed.

Zixar,

Dude...I can hardly spell and you come up with this gramatical stuff. Are you an English Professor?

Exie, What you upset about? What has got you upset that you haven't read but are ....ed anyway?

Shazdancer, Thanks for adding the final touch to Rafs post. It was about love for me and wanting to be God's best. Shame on me!

Here is some more of the list.

. Rejects compliments or praise.

. Think your not good enough.

. Be afraid of making mistakes.

. Feels sad that they spend their whole lives giving and nobody gives to them.

. Feel board,empty and worthless if they don't have a crisis in their lives, aproblem to solve or somone to help.

.Abandon their routine to respond to or do somthing for somebody else.

. Focus their energy on other peoples problems.

. Try to prove they are good enough for people.

Well just a few. I remember being a WOW and every action was CD based. I was not aware of it though.

ONe last thing... The Anxeity I experianced in my life I thought were personal attack of the advisary. I had no idea it was from PTSD and General anxeity diorder. Years of thinking I was under attack or that I was out of fellowship.

Raf and Oakspear,

Thanks for you insight. The longer I hang out at GS the more awareness comes to me of what and how.

It's nice when things resinates from someone elses words. It's like scratching an itch. You finally have Sunesis or it's a a-ha moment.

Thanks so much guys. Love, Imbus

In the mental health feild we call a child who is oppositional to all and in all things,"Oppositional/Defiant".It is a disorder.

One of the statagies for dealing with this disorder is planned ignoring! When a child tries to hook you with words into their mind set,(to get their way) then it becomes a power stuggle with words. You lose. The reason you lose is because you are on their turf so to speak and are engaged by their rules of arguement. And we all know... "you cannot reason with an insane mind". Kids that are not cognitivly mature reason very little. They cannot be reasoned with.

The reason I bring this up is that Oldies and John have stated their opinion over and over again. And also has brought the topic of choice to their turf. Changing the abuse of power to "those adulterous women" It appears they are very fixated on women who commit adultry.

Any way I'v learned that if you ignore the word digs, "hooks", then you don't get caught up in the back and forth power struggle or one up-manship.

With children you redirect them BACK to the original start of engagement and DO NOT DEVIATE. They will do what ever they can to distact you from the original form. If you get distracted, it is a no win situation.

Oldies and John are not going to change their mind's and they will try like children to change the topic to their playing feild. It's up to you good folks weither you want to play by their rules of distraction or not. But be advised they will use painful,arrogant words and logic to hook you.

I choose not to play. :P-->

Does anyone remember the saying."A suggestion is paramount to a command". I learned that in the corps. That you hop to on any given suggestion. This I did not learn from my parents or any athority but TWI. I was so good at it I anticapated what the suggestion would be,and did it. That my friend is either being overly responcible, walking by the spirit or brainwashed. Oooooppppps there is that word. I believe it was alot of all three. That is just MO

Daryl, Will you marry me? I know you are gay but you sound like my kinda guy! :D-->

OOOOOPPPPPSSSS, I erased the CD part... how did I do that? I really need a class on this puter. Will include it tomarrow.

Here are a few more characteristics of CD.

Females are more apt to be codependent then males. Our society on a sub-conscious level influences and aims the role of care-taking to women. The same goes for traditional Christianity. Look at the Jobs that women fill in relation to their counter parts. Nursing, Social intrest,etc...

We have come a long way and our male counter parts are steping more into care-taking social shoes.

You bet Ex... bring some cheese!