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oak Yes the number of days from Pentecost until the Ascention changed from 50 to 40 then back for a time. Then there was the long runing sonship adoption battle back and forth over the years.

Well this thread has been interesting to say the least. Since no one has mentioned this verse I thought I'd throw it in the mix. Matthew 6 KJV 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. Matthew 6 Amplified Bible 14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [1] reckless and willful sins, [2] leaving them, letting them go, and [3] giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15But if you do not forgive others their trespasses [their [4] reckless and willful sins, [5] leaving them, letting them go, and [6] giving up resentment], neither will your Father forgive you your trespasses. Matthew 6 American Standard Version 14 "(1) For if you forgive others for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you. 15 "But (2) if you do not forgive others, then your Father will not forgive your transgressions.

Ala Is that a statue to the God of giant cigarette's :D--> :D-->

Some scholars insist that Jesus drove a Honda, but didn't like to talk about it. As proof, they cite a verse in St. John's Gospel where Christ tells the crowd, "For I did not speak of my own Accord..." - John 12:49

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:D-->Nah Steve Flat is Cool it's ok there are nice people there now!!! Flat went shopping today for some gifts for Zach's class and some mmmmmm Sunflower Seed Cookies I'll send some extra's for you and Cindy.

Well I had planned to take Flat to see some sights like the worlds largest ball of twine http://skyways.lib.ks.us/kansas/towns/Cawker/twine.html but he said after hanging around all the people here in the cafe he wondered what this Way thing was about? Being so close to Emporia looks like a road trip is in order.... So far I have down for Flats day crawling through the grass and picking up rocks as I'm sure that it has had a massive rock build up since they vacated the place. Moving mattress's back n forth accross campus. Cleaning the pond is out as Flat is not very water proof. of course the ever popular stringing chairs..... Any other ideas for Flats Day at the Way?

Cool Cool I'll do that!!

Roy As Abigail pointed out I think they said over 900 as in at least but not limited to 900. Then again you could demand a recount or better yet count them yourself....

Cool Well, it's going to have to wait some more time...because my week is full of appointments and meetings with doctors. Is this what I get for not being "of Paul"? ------------------------------------------------ Yes, obviously you are a follower of Luke the Physician's Patron Saint. :D-->

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Shellon I'm hoping to post some when Flat arrives here.

Pig Roast Wait till Psalmie hears that boy are you gonna get it!!

I forgot Ex it has to have a catchy name like The Way International Texas Turkey Togetherness Weekend

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Cool Gotcha I did not know Sheldon so I won't form an opinion of him from second hand sources. His book at times seems a little too religious for me but in fairness I consider the time which it was written. I did find this lady still around though http://www.cjonline.com/indepth/sheldon/st...1400_bird.shtml I still think TT town is it own responsibility though a good part of it is self inflicted.

I see no indication that Paul would say anything different than Jesus. that was what Geek posted by the way what would Jesus say. Anyway Paul was a follower of Jesus- One who subscribes to the teachings or methods of another; an adherent: Yes, I'm more than pretty sure of that.

Gee I don't know Jim let's see: Romans- Paul a servent of Jesus Christ... Corinthians- Paul caled to be an Apostle... Galations- Paul an Apostle by Jesus Christ... Ephesians- Paul an Apostle of Jesus.... Philippians- Paul the servent of Jesus Christ... Seems pretty clear to me he was a follower of Jesus an Apostle(Shlika) a doulos who carries a communication from his master or ruler. One who is sent,a messenger,a legate,a representative who can only communicate the message from the master who sent it. Do you really think he just made up some new doctrine different from Jesus?

Quote: Posted by Research Geek Does anyone want to talk about this? :D--> Ha Ha well at least we know the answer to that question....Page five and rolling

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CoolWaters glad to see your font and that you are feeling well enough to post Bday girl. Since you addressed my post I wanted to clear up a couple of points. First it was not my intent to link Sheldons book to the Way. My remark was really more to Geek I just thought it was interesting that the subject of forgiveness came up today because as I said I had been thinking about it due to being at Sheldons study. For the record I am not a big fan of the WWJD movement. Mostly I see it is a business to sell cheap trinkets. I am having a little trouble following your last part of your post QUOTE: It has taken all of these last 7 years to build a viable relationship with the congregants of the church which Sheldon pastored...not even considering undoing the damage that his book has done to the reputation of the neighborhood. So it's very interesting to me that forgiveness of twi and Charles Sheldon are mentioned in the same thread in the first 2 posts... Needless to say, forgiving is not the same as forgetting... I'm not sure what damage his book did to Tennesseetown but I grew up in the Cental Park area a few blocks from his church. For sure it is a different place now than even when I was young. I don't think the state of the area today has much to do with Sheldon or his book it is a hundred years removed from his time a lot has changed since then. How is he responsible ? Quote: Needless to say, forgiving is not the same as forgetting... I Agree! but not sure what this has to do with what I posted I don't think Geek or I said it was the same thing. Charles Sheldon did a lot of good for the city and the Central Park area: In 1889 he moved west to become pastor of the fledgling Central Congregational Church in Topeka, Kan. He announced he would preach "a Christ for the common people. A Christ who belongs to the rich and poor, the ignorant and learned, the old and young, the good and the bad . . . a Christ who bids us all recognize the Brotherhood of the race, who bids throw open this room to all." For Sheldon this was not just rhetoric. Topeka was in a depression, and full of disheartened men searching for jobs. Determined to know more about the unemployed, Sheldon put on old clothes and spent a week hunting employment. He tried stores, coal yards and mills to no avail. Finally, he joined laborers shoveling snow from the Santa Fe rail yard tracks at no pay for "the simple joy of working." He took his experience to the pulpit and realized there was much more he needed to learn about the working man. He decided to spend a week with laborers and professionals, "living as nearly as I could the life they lived, asking them questions about their work, and preaching the gospel to them in whatever way might seem most expedient." And so Topekans found him riding with streetcar operators one week, attending classes with college students the next, traveling on freight trains with rail workers, attending court with lawyers, going on rounds with doctors, working with businessmen, and pursuing a beat as an unpaid reporter for the local paper. Not only did this deepen Sheldon's empathy with workers, but it also helped his largely above-working class congregation understand them better. And since he invited everyone he worked with to his church the following Sunday to hear his report on them, many came and some stayed. Probably his most moving experience was one that awakened Sheldon to the ugly reality of racism. He spent three weeks visiting black people in Topeka, learning firsthand the prejudices they faced. He also became acquainted with Tennesseetown, a destitute community just outside Topeka of freed slaves and their children. It was there he launched an innovation that had an effect not only on Topeka but the nation. In 1892 the idea of kindergartens came to America from Germany. A year later, with the help of his parishioners, Sheldon started two kindergartens, one at his church and one in Tennesseetown, the first black kindergarten west of the Mississippi. It proved a boon for Tennesseetown mothers desperate for day care. Some of the alumni became leaders in the community. Probably the most prominent was Elisha Scott, whom Sheldon helped attend law school. Scott became a respected Topeka attorney as did his son, Charles Sheldon Scott, who in 1954 argued the winning side of the landmark Brown v. Board of Education of Topeka school desegregation case before the U.S. Supreme Court. By 1897, Central Church had built a laboratory for one of the first kindergarten-teacher training schools in the nation. Soon its graduates were eagerly snapped up by schools from Maine to Texas. He kept up his community work, even voluntarily spending a week in jail, which resulted in local prison reforms. His fight against prejudice was highlighted in 1939 by his outcry against the Nazi persecution of Jews. Sheldon retired from his pulpit in 1919, but continued working, becoming editor-in-chief of the Christian Herald in 1920. As he grew older, he spoke with great anticipation of his new life to come: "It is not death but life I greet . . . when he who loves me calls me home." And now back to Forgiveness.....

Much like our laws allow people to misuse freedom and at times hide behind them resulting in unjust ends. Perhaps so it is with Grace and Forgivenesss. Was that not Pauls point in Romans Romans 6 1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? NO It is reprensible that many chose to use Gods grace and forgiveness and love to their evil end but I'd have to agree with Catcup,that does not change the fact that they were freely given and He sacrificed His only begotten Son in order that I might be cleansed and forgiven.

Edited QUOTE: by Shellon The only exception I have here is the death of my children's father. It's my firm belief that TWI contributed to his death. This is an area where I don't see the point in "forgiveness". It's beyond that and something that will never ever ever ever be remedied, I don't care if they apologized profusely till end of time. So, maybe there is forgiveness, then there is foregiveness and then there might be something past that. Interesting point Shellon I often wonder what it was like for the saints in the early church to see Paul who had consented to the death of some of their family and friends.