Ham

Math is EASY compared to this argument.  Far easier to watch someone go through a circular pattern of logic uses the conclusion to prove the premises.

I have watched at least one professor try to justify the Pythagorean Theorem from Trigonometric Identities.  Pretty much circular logic. 

If one takes the formula for distance as an Axiom, the problem is supposedly solved..

Learning is pretty much Axiomatic.  Sounds complicated, but not really- one assumes that a few set of rules or tenets are true, or commonly agreed upon.  And include agreeable assumptions. Then you build your whole existence or Theology based on these few "irrefutable" truths.. Euclid's successors figured that they could explain it all without being able to draw a straight line.. they abandoned the parallel postulate. 

Some fantastic results followed.  But it did not explain everything.

Then come Godel.  The tenets of any closed mathematical system cannot be proved by the axioms of the system.  Some among us are trying to do the impossible here.. 

Some think that the Axioms are sacrosanct.  But Axioms are pretty much self-assured truths.  They only have relevance if one assigns it to them.

Same works for Religion. 

I suppose add it anywhere you can.  The little hole might work.  Otherwise, if the result is horrid- just toss a few teaspoons directly into the pot.  Now as for removing lipstick stains- that is another kettle of fish, so to speak.

On 4/29/2022 at 6:23 AM, waysider said:

I'm curious. How do you "stretch" a coffee pod?

One applies a few sprinkles of salt.  Then don't forget.  How do you remove lipstick stains from Styrofoam cups?  Carefully, very carefully.

I could write a program in Java or C or C++.  Calculate the square root of 2 to 4 decimal places.  If the computer could think- it would think 1, 4, 1, 4, 2.  I don't think it would have the capacity to figure out what the heck I was really asking it to do.  I don't think it could figure out that I was looking for the length of the legs of a triangle with hypontenuse of length of one unit.  In this case the program would be an extension of my will, looking for a decimal approximation of a non repeating non terminating decimal.

If the computer can reverse engineer the process, I would change my mind here.

On 11/20/2007 at 1:13 PM, another spot said:

Computer programs are entirely logic based.

Partial Quote.  I disagree.  Computer programs are purely an extension of the human will.  At Least in my opinion.  Of course the program has to adhere to logic to run..  We may call it Artificial Intelligence, but (in my opinion) it is unbridled human intelligence in action.

Enlightenment does have a cost..  

Yet there is no Easy way out.

Some of the Hippies were tired of being Enlightened.  Worn out.  Done.  I think that, they were looking for an easy way out of all of this..

Despite claims otherwise, they decided that they did not want to be family.

In my case I think the Way left me.

In other words.  You claim it can be lost.  How do you think that you gained it to begin with?  I read a passage in Ezekiel last night.. Ezekiel 21:3,4.  In a sense.. the righteous enable the wicked here.. and both are to be cut off.  Well.. just saying.  What do you think?

A simpler (yet related to the current question) might be, can Salvation be Gained. 

A personal thought- only God Almighty can revive the "glory years".. whatever they are. I personally would not even try to.

1.  They were NOT glory years.

2. Usually they were not Glory Years, they were Stolen Years. Missed wealth, missed opportunity.. 

Something in the old testament comes to mind.

The sad thing was that 4 crucified was ancient news, even if true.

Nothing new here, move along.. same for 3 days and three nights, etc. etc.  I would say, what's the relevance?  In a Practical sense.  What do you think that I should do differently, if Jesus is God or not, or if there are a 4 + 1 crucified or 2+1 = 3.. should I love God or my neighbor any differently?

In a weird way.. I feel that I have escaped the clutches of some God forsaken cult, only to be greeted by open or not so open arms into another far more insidious.  At least I learned the rules, or the lack thereof, from the former one..

I believe.. my daughter lost a few.  They reinforced the pen and the hens have been safe over the summer.  Your venue probably has a few more predators..

16 hours ago, Allan said:

Heya Ham ! Im in Australia and in my late '50's..hear ya about the body starting to get the odd niggles and creaks lol. I've just thrown in my job and about to start a 'not for profit' establishing a home for young and older men and women who may have mental or physical challenges (or both) and who may be living with ageing parents who worry about what will happen to them once the parents pass away. Something that I really, truly believe God has put big time on my heart. I know it will be a huge challenge but IF it really was God, I'm convinced He's got it ! I guess it's also my shot at leaving behind some type of noble legacy in my lifetime.

Good deal Allan.  I think God sent me back to school to help kids learn math.  The degree opened the door.  I will keep instructing classes as long as they will have me.

22 hours ago, Galen said:

We have had chickens.

 

To each project there is a learning curve, that learning curve pushed us in the direction of doing 12-week meat birds, then they go to freezer camp. For 12-weeks each year we maintain chickens, and that gives us enough chicken to eat for a year.

Since we live in dense forest, the predators are fierce. We have tried many times to allow chickens to free-range, but those efforts have never been successful. We can keep poultry inside coops just fine, but if they get out, it attracts predators and once that happens the predators hit so hard that they dig tunnels under the coops, they chew holes through the chicken wire to gain access into the coops, and they become relentless until after all chickens have been eaten. It is less work to just raise chickens for a short period of time and send them to the freezers. 

 

We have done much better raising pigs.

 

I would free range the chickens in the day and lock them up at night.  Hens of course.  Fresh eggs are nice.  Plus they tend to hunt ticks to practical extinction..

Commitment to witness 48 hours a week?  I dunno.  My wow brother.  He met his soul mate here.. and the (expletives that will be deleted) decided his "commitment" superseded  Gods Will.. tried to dump her in the middle of the year, to "move the word"  I raised Holy Hell.  They got back together towards the end of the year..

I can't say that I ever actually met him.  Maybe I met the persona a couple of times..  perhaps his legacy is a few off the beaten path books that I do not have in my library.

Dead Cult Leaders, hmmmm.  Well, I supposed they are supposed to be like the last few Jedi, just dissolve into the Force, no final expenses incurred by the followers.  No burial or cremation necessary.  No memorial either.

Good For You.  All I run at the moment from Solar are the radios and the lights.  Do you have chickens? 

Galen, you are living my dream of dreams..  I would move off to the woods, grow tomatos and raise chickens in a heartbeat.  Run the radios and such from solar panels..