Ham

I dunno.  I think Splinter work is the Wierwille legacy if one is trying to obtain money, fortune and fame from it..

filthy lucre. 

I like Carlos Santana's take on forgiveness.  If I send you to hell for what you did to me, I send myself as well.  A couple of years ago I asked a few folks what they though that they owed me an absolved the debt. 

Give a Christian acid and see what happens.. maybe you get more than you want. 

treat me like crap and I can forgive you.  I can't make the same negotiation for the rest of the humans that you have messed with- you're on your own.

8 minutes ago, Rocky said:

Please explain further.

How do or would you define freedom, in the context of what you're trying to communicate here.

There's freedom OF something and freedom FROM other thing(s).

Thanks. 

Freedom of obligation, freedom of conscience.  freedom of guilt, freedom to travel freely.. freedom, in general.

the only freedom I have, at least at the moment- is to be able to free others from debt or obligation to me.

I cannot expect any other living human in this existence to reciprocate with the same offer.

From my parts to your parts, I salute you.. heh

Sleep well.  Cannabis sometimes helps.

:)

Hey- how is everybody out there in Ex wayland doing?

have not been around for a while.  Are you enjoying life?  Except for a few human failures it has been pretty well here..

Well.. other than dragging a bunch of parts of myself around from a generally broken life..  but no real complaints.  Heh.

God Bless you all...

On 7/10/2023 at 11:18 PM, Nathan_Jr said:

“God is doing His best..”

Wow. Just. Wow.

“God is trying, he really is, he is really trying his best, and that’s what he’s doing, his best. But there’s a budget, you see, and double doors and devils! Lots of hindrance for God, but trust he is doing his best!”

All of these imaginative, conceptual constructs projected onto and for God!!

“I won’t let go…I will hold on tight to this image… I will clutch to this beleeef imagined… I will belleeeve my way into a known concept of God! it’s just got to fit! By Snowball Pete I will MAKE it fit!”

 

Personally- I would ask more serious questions.  Does God really want to be in charge of this convulated mess.. would you?  No, I would not- but weekly, daily it comes back asking questions and justification.. even in this limited temporal life..  maybe we need to read Jeremiah again.  I think Bullinger had it partially right-God is not in the business of repairing that which man has broken..  if it isn't broken, don't fix it, if it is broken, well..  

On 7/11/2023 at 10:20 PM, Nathan_Jr said:

No one is playing chess.* 

For twenty years Mike has dodged, deflected, distracted, ignored, accused, projected, whined. These are not excellent moves, but they are his, and they are telling.

Hey! He is doing his best.

 

 

 

 

 

 

* In the original Sanskrit chess is literally sabrina. It's a free radical. The game is not chess. The game is sabrina - sabrina, Sabrina, SABRINA! No one knows what sabrina means, but my hunch is it's a type of ancient cookie or the name of a mermaid. I can't prove any of this. You'll just need to take my word for it. Write it on a 3x5 card, if you must. ABC. Simple. Math.

I dunno.  sometimes, the best is all that any of us can do..  sometimes it is damned pitiful.. I've had my share of this.

On 8/15/2023 at 4:27 PM, So_crates said:

In a prior post in this thread you asked haven't we noticed more evil in the world?

I responded,  If there is more evil in the world, and your claim is true (as stated in the quote above) then shouldn't there also be an equal amount of good in the world?

My personal experience here.. I'm overworked and overloaded. The venues I personally work in- the requirements and requirements within the last couple of years have easily tripled along with reduction to half the salary. What about you? Retirement is a pipe dream, as they say..

On 2/28/2023 at 9:59 AM, So_crates said:

Apparently the all powerful God never learned to multi-task.

Also, wouldn't an all knowing being know how to get his point across quickly and efficiently and not have to monkey around for 21 days.

Might actually be true.  Who am I to cast God's characteristics to my particular logical framework, and believe me, I have tried.

Getting across quickly never seems to work well.  Ask a student in the middle of a calculus course sequence..

nope.  takes a frigging eternity to figure it out right..  heh

On 8/17/2023 at 2:03 PM, Nathan_Jr said:

Lots of people, indeed.

I wish victor had never responded to the adversary's intervention.

As I do.  I'd rather be frigging dirt poor.. but then I am.  Too many comments to read here..  Hi Mike.  Hope all is well with you and the rest of the Greasespotters..  Hey- how are you all doing?  Haven't been around for a while. 

On 2/27/2023 at 10:40 PM, Bolshevik said:

Are you saying God has to get his needs/wants parrallel?

What a good question.. if He is anything like us.. and He claims such (we created in His image) I wonder if this is true..

Generally, I have avoided Ghee.  I buy the butter on a discount, and then freeze it.  Frozen butter, little bacterial growth, no Buterates, hence, no Ghee.  The butter is nice on sprouted breads in the morning with a little bit of local honey.

Sorry to ruin an otherwise useful recipe thread.

On 2/27/2023 at 2:21 PM, Nathan_Jr said:

If you're using butter made from grass fed cows, right?

I would join the Ghee Club, but no one has invited me.

On 2/27/2023 at 2:14 PM, Bolshevik said:

I also have joined the Ghee club.

I love it on cast iron.  Because as you said the higher flash point.  But it tastes like grass if used straight.  By grass I mean the green stuff the cows eat.  

Almost sounds like you're making roca or toffee, which sounds yummy.

cast iron certainly is helpful..  just hit the bacteria laden soup with enough heat, and All is Well.  :)

On 3/15/2023 at 12:42 AM, Stayed Too Long said:

I recently bought a pound of butter for $2.95 and it yielded a little less than a full pint canning jar of ghee. There is very little waste making ghee and it is much cheaper than the cost on Amazon, ranging from $9 to $35. 

Holy Smokes- that is a high price for rancid butter.

On 3/14/2023 at 7:25 AM, Twinky said:

What's your yield, from, say, 1lb of butter?  

I've seen some commercially, listed thus: 

Ingredients

Milk Fat (99.8%) Ethyl Butyrate 0.01%

Ethyl Butyrate appears to be a flavour enhancer but although it appears in some fruits naturally, it also isn't a healthy product.  Maybe it occurs naturally in ghee?  Any comments, anyone?

ah, yes.  Rancid Butter.  Have to look up a few Firesign Theatre references to make sense of this..  have to look for the Electrician or Somebody like Him for the answer..

The topic might be similar to "Do you really have freedom of will.."

I suggest- you are only entitled to give freedom to another.  Freedom cannot be claimed or assumed, only given.  I think that the common thought in this country is that freedom is a birthright.  That we are entitled.. I deserve it..  as long as that there is another living breathing soul on this planet other than oneself, I think that this is an impossibility.

Do we really have free will..

20 years ago, I had absolutely no idea that I would be doing what I am doing today.

Free will?  I floated into this particular phase of existence..

I think.. or do I.  The free will part was a very small agreement, Along The Way.  No pun intended.

I showed up as a shipwreck on the shores of a community college about 12 years ago, and they were not exactly amused..  heh.

The four year college offered me shelter this year..

Anger, Sadness, Joy, Love, Hate, ..

seems pretty convenient to try to limit God's characteristics with a little known figure of speech, Anthropopatheia.    Yet He created us in His image.

I have a few problems with this.  Among which, I cannot find "anthropopatheia" in the bible itself. 

I would suggest that this kind of doctrine is of human origin.  Not of the Creator..

who am I, to cast God's characteristics in terms of what that I think that He should not be..

1 minute ago, Mike said:

 

You are so right about a lot there.  I have studied these things, non-Euclidian Geometry and Godel's theorem for 50 years.  I love how you put it.   Untouchable axioms are a must to any logic at it's BEGINNINGS.

Axioms are similar to "our only rule for faith and practice." and are untouchable. In math axioms are the "only set of rules for cranking out math."

Selecting one's axioms is critical in everything in life.

For those unfamiliar, axioms also called postulates and assumptions.

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Bolshevik is partially right, though, I think.

The tight RESULTS of Godel's theorems apply only to "formal systems" in mathematics, and should be ONLY cautiously applied to other areas, bearing in mind that the PROOF of Godel only works for the formal systems.

Formal systems were devised in the early 20th Century by mathematicians to try and make a machine that proves math theorems.  The machine only pays attention to the FORMS of the symbols that are used.  The word "formal" does not imply the mathematicians wear tuxedos while they crank the proving machine.

Ham, would you say I got those details right?  I dropped Godel about 8 years ago after Hofstadter's second book on it.  I'm already getting a little rusty on it.



 

Bertrand Russel tried the approach of Logic and some kind of basis of only rule for Faith and Practice- mathematically speaking.  But his research came up with one Paradox after another.  Whos career did he ruin at the last moment.. just as the book was ready for press. Can't remember the name at the moment.   I think Christians regard him as some kind of heretic, Godless unbeliever.  History shows he hated violence and Mob Rule.  Would not follow a politically motivated mob to embrace yet one more Godless War.  I think that he was a true Christian. 

I think that Godel shows us the way out of all of this, Philosophically, Theologically and Mathematically.

How do we apply this to Biblical Truth.  I don't entirely know.  There is a Larger System than Us.

Before Godel, there was Cantor.  Cantor rattled their cages.

I like the simpler questions, like Where did we all come from?  I kind of like the idea that we were all one, at least at one time.  Yep, here comes more new age stream of consciousness BS.

Imagine a World where one can Magically summon whatever one desires- law of believing.

I like to give the reply to the question, "what do you want" with "Nothing.  I already have far more that than I need."

6 minutes ago, waysider said:

That's what I was afraid of.

Heh...me too.

I hope that the audience does not object to this Stream of Consciousness one post after another proceeding.. :L)

You know.. human nature and understanding is so what's the word..  depraved?  Merely by agreeing to some definition of God or reality we seem to alter the rules of the game.  Usually not for the better.  Even trying to improve this existence. 

2 minutes ago, Bolshevik said:

Religion is not math.  Or necessarily a set of postulates.  Is math a tool or a guide?

Religion stems from the psyche.  Which is biological in origin.  

 

 

In a weird sense, I think Math might be Religion. Certainly has a lot of the same characteristics.  Now the Postulates of Religion.  There is one God.  I don't necessarily think that the Creator of the universe is a projection of my psyche..

Is Math a tool or guide.  I think neither.  It provides tools..  and maybe logical guidance.

Religion.  Is it a tool or guide?  Definitely a guide.

There are a definite number of Postulates and common assumptions one must agree with in order to proceed to the Next Phase of the Operation..