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It's useless.. you'd get an answer like from General Smythe.. "there is no need, it's in the record.." Mr. Baumgardner, I wonder if you get this reference.. :)

and to the "other side".. let me just say, if it were a matter of the vicster JUST being a wine bibber and friend of publicans and sinners, and was just an otherwise "nice guy", I wouldn't have an issue here. don't compare him to Jesus or Paul.

He goes by JJ here. Here's a link to his profile.. you could pm him through that. http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.php?showuser=2723

Yeah.. more believable than (at least one) alternative.. That the God who created the heavens and earth.. with infinite wisdom and foreknowledge, would choose to reveal the "secrets of the universe" to a (if not at the time, very soon to be) drambuie breathed, lecherous, plagiarizing, thieving, abusive, arrogant, conceited, egotistical, LAZY, but opportunistic swindler, (did I miss anything? :) ) a half an excuse of a *man* to subsequently bury the "secrets" under an unbridled trail of sexual abuse, druggings, drunkenness, and general mayhem. Really.. I'd find the aliens, dmt, and lead pipe scenario much easier to believe..

or.. maybe it was just a simple combination of the above.. massive dose of dmt, administered by aliens.. followed by "administration" of said sock, or lead pipe.. then the missing time.. hey.. to me, it's more believable, than the alternative..

or maybe it was just a massive dose of dmt.. people have experienced something resembling a snowstorm in such a manner.. Kesey even claimed to have seen Lou Costello materialize out of a pipe full of that stuff for about a minute and a half..

October.. hmm. Perhaps.. just perhaps.. maybe the old vicster was "taken" by aliens.. you know, one of those cosmic socks full of sand, or lead pipes over the head.. when he woke up all he could see was stars.. I could see how one could mistake the experience for a massive undocumentable snowstorm. Everything just kinda goes black at first.. or maybe he experienced some kind of "missing time" experience.. due to whatever.. or maybe the same effects from the above explanation.. or *they* just brought him back in the middle of January.. he just THOUGHT it was still October..

Fair enough Raf.. but I hope you don't mind some of us thumping a long dead equine type of animal here.. not exactly. Name one, please. Really.. the only one who "read errors" into the greek manuscripts, that I know of, was Wordsworth.. and he took liberties to change words to ones which would "ordinarily be used".. but not out of a spirit of "unbelief". but before that.. let's address the little genealogy issuse.. without references to not being "meek" or "humble" or some such nonsense.. the mogster was caught with his pants down, intellectually in this case here..

not this squirrel..

Absolutely. I am Swami Squirrel.. Hey.. we must be twins.. maybe brethren.. and if the administrator checked, he might even detect that we have the same IP address..

well.. I can float around out here, keep the stretched coffee and drambuie warm.. waiting.. hums.. *to do do do do do do doooooo*.. *la dee dee, la dee dooooo..*

ever wonder WHY there was a creation? Could it possibly be.. just maybe.. God was all he wanted to be (or cared to).. then came the committees..

well.. I think I'll just keep this thread "warmed up".. like the "stretched" coffee in the old pfal classes.. but really.. I didn't make the "no error" claim.. PLEASE explain how a small fact such as the caananites not really being decendants of cain (if the bible is really true in this regard) escaped the grand distillation of "all truth".. or how Ahab really wasn't the son of Jeroboam.. that he in reality according to the TEXT- the son of Omri.. I wouldn't be suprised if someone couldn't find the actual work where the vicster plagiarized this particular set of errors.. personally.. I don't think anyone can grow spiritually in such a static environment..

and it's really the same mentality.. "isn't the character whose writings you revere, wasn't he an egotistical, arrogant, sex maniac, and drug fiend?" "well.. *little* issues aside.." where do you think the vicster learned his *craft* anyway?

I for one don't buy into the concept (anymore) that "god breathed" is equivalent to "Drambuie breath".. not really trying to mean or anything.. but it's almost as pathetic as the modern day followers of Aleister Crowley.. they hold his "divine revelation" as "the word of gawd"..

the snow here once ALMOST came in July. It came in June.. it was a crystal clear, blue skied day.. the snow started to decend.. on houses, gas pumps, streets, dogs, cats left to their own devices in the great out of doors, trees.. it's Michigan for crying out loud.. what does one expect? well.. it happened once.. heheh

all I can hear are the crickets.. funny, in the middle of the winter..

that's why I pulled that thread up.. about 42 pages worth of it.. we could painstakingly go over each issue there not properly or logically addressed if need be.. starting with the genealogy issue.. this thread is supposed to be about the vicster's snow storm he tried pulling over our eyes..

Perhaps one of the BIGGEST errors in the written material.. look at page one of the 62 page sylabus.. "Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille" no, factually, he was NOT a doctor, did not complete a legitimate path of study.. held a piece of paper that was another falsehood, to adorn the wall with.. I'd like to see these errors.. starting with calling abraham and his decendants offsprings of Cain.. and the ERROR asserting that ahab was a son of Jeroboam.. PROPERLY and LOGICALLY addressed by the "other side of the story"..

another one from raf.. haven't seen this one adequately explained by "the other side of the story" either.. but I'd like to see them addressed LOGICALLY.. starting with my two little finds..

Raf's original post, for those who only read the last few posts on a thread: Geo's astute observation:

If the "final", "canonized" form of herr gawd breathed works are supposed to be the distillation of the all-truth as such.. please explain how "god" could make such a fundamental error.. the canaanites the children of Israel married were decendents of ABRAHAM.. Abraham was a decendent of Noah, Noah a decendent of Seth.. Skim. VERY quickly.. actually, there is an article on the main site Raf did on actual errors..

These are two bonafide, "legitimate" ERRORS. I never saw this addressed.. for six years..

just figured this is where current discussion on the snow thread should go.. we already have forty-three pages. What's forty three more?