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hmmm... maybe school's back in session.. a group of abnormal psychology students gathering information for a paper or thesis or something..

umm, who cares about WHAT? I dunno.. if the old mogster was merely delusional and just harmless, maybe nobody would.. The delusion lives on.. apparently these kids "don't care".. give them twenty or so years though.. grown adults, in their fifties and sixties, perpetuating this nonsense, for the next generation, when they REALLY are old enough and (assuming) mature enough to sort it out.. a person is better off believing in Santa Claus..

I always wondered about that too.. but Hoffman's lsd experiments started in 1943.

I dunno. I wouldn't chalk it up to a hundred percent hucksterism.. maybe somebody's got "something".. but once they slap a greasy price tag on it, I think it practically immediately turns into snake oil..

I suppose I should ask, which snowstorm? The snow on the pumps, or the torrential snows in tulsa, blocking his holy arrogances exit? either way though, I guess the vote is the same for me.. Hmm.. hallucinated. Maybe it was a real big huff of DMT.. Kesey saw Lou Costello materialize out of a pipe once..

I'll have to remember that statement the next time something like this crosses my path..

ACTED like one, threw fits, tantrums.. needed constant attention and adoration LIKE the baby, but, no, he was not the "baby". just setting the record straight..

what I find a little more creepy.. or sad, someone, who is obviously intelligent.. a mature adult, and over fifty years old at that.. in face of the facts, the character of his creepiness, STILL refer to the mogster as "doctor", when in my honest opinion, they have the intellectual ability and logic to know much much better.. continual appeals to not throw out "the baby" with the bathwater.. the vicster isn't exactly the "baby"..

the only thing I'll say.. no. He wasn't a "Doctor", by any stretch of the imagination. No.. vic was NOT a doctor. Never was.. and where he probably is, very likely, he never will be. NEEDED a "doctor", perhaps. Maybe even a whole team of "doctors". WAS a doctor? No. Just to set the record straight..

I would think so.. for that group, I think it is probably a REQUIREMENT to really buy into all that junk.. they probably even have some kind of special fellowship to commemorate the day.. like the parent organization. maybe it takes a curious mixture of mushrooms, sterno and terpentine to fully bring oneself to unabashedly believing vic's snow story..

what I wonder is.. does the sowers have or plan to have a shrine on the farm with life-size historical replicas of "doc" fervently praying, and the said gas pumps.. I mean, if they are buying into the "greatness" of the whole package.. that comes with it..

Happy New year too, friend :) let's not be too hasty.. I'm sure it snowed SOMEWHERE.. like the northern parts of British Columbia.. Northwest Territories.. maybe even Alaska..

I think the "meat" of da verd as referred to by vic was mutton..

the reason I say "immature" and "suckered".. it's a mind that is CLOSED to ANYTHING it does not want to hear.. no criticism is welcome.. of ANY KIND.. even if it's life depends on it.. all it want to know is how "wonderful" it is.. how it's "instrumental" in the MOVE of GAWD..

the best mac could muster up by himself was ffiteen seconds of fame, trespassing on da way's cemetary property.. revering the "famous(?)" fire ring as spiritually more significant than the Arlington Cemetary.. he was harmless at the time.. from the best I read it.. why couldn't they just let him have his little stroll, and he'd go away.. no trouble, no embarassments on either side.. civil disobedience may have its place, but the whole scene was rather ridiculous.. what did they think.. let an old "hippie" roam the property, and soon they'd come in masse, live in tents and make the place look like woodstock? I further question jp's outcry about the mrs. I agree, and feel her situation was POORLY handled.. but the whole situation was rather "politicized". That's where I would draw the line on this.. to me, it looking back, I think it was a rallying point, and a failed attempted "coup" of sorts.. so BOTH mac and jp have a rather large heavy and old ax to grind with those "in power" in New Knoxville.. NOW.. they start this "continuation" of da way corps.. same junk, "new(?)" "leadership".. and they put the vicster's namesake at the helm.. give him enough audience and adulation that an immature mind cannot turn it down? Yeah.. another "coup" of sorts.. what else am I supposed to think? I think they either are knowingly, or subconsciously, the lowest of any oportunists I've ever known.. they are willing to sacrifice the kid's professional career if not sanity, in pursuit of a dream long past dead.. I think this train has been on a finely greased track for YEARS..

who says they don't.. what's real pathetic.. I think they are taking a free ride on the kid's carefully chosen name.. I don't think the kid has the experience, maturity or developed mental accumen to "manage" anything like this, no less managaing his way out of a wet paper bag.. I say it CAN'T be "his" "ministry" so you take a NOVICE.. he's barely past adolescence.. add worship and adulation.. and what does one get?

In academics, it is often the instructor's perogative to do so.. but it is not done blindly. The "exception" generally must show mastery of the material in chemistry 101 before a reputable instructor would consider it. Or one can merely "test out" of chemistry 101. Either way, one must know the material.. "theology 101" surely involves the knowlege to know when it's appropriate to keep one's weenie in one's pocket..

here's a real world description of a snow storm thick enough to block out the sun.. "pitch black".. not just a whiteout. http://rohnbayesjourney.typepad.com/my_web...a-snow-ode.html In the fall of the year you'd think somebody else other than the vicster would "notice" an event like this..

for a brief moment I though you had.. perhaps I was mistaken.. Welcome Friend.. I'm glad somebody else can see it..

I still don't see anything worth the admiration of standing when his "holy" presence enters the room.. christ.. less than friggin thirty years old.. not around the block even ONCE.. by any stretch of the imagination.. but by god.. let's worship the little stinkers heritage.. and his "consort".. It's the egotistical arrogant PARENT that I have some *real* issues with.. so rosie handed you your male anatomy.. get over it.. grow another one for god's sake.. and then get a friggin life.. if you pass this onto your own offspring.. may god have mercy on your soul..

Yeah.. it's what he thinks he is..

on top of all this.. not ONE SINGLE professor claims power to ARBITRARILY dismiss students, or close the "program" so as to maintain "order".. not a single one.

Out of EVERY SINGLE professor I had here.. there is only one I'd consider an "idjit".. not for intellectual reasons- and even he didn't demand the respect due only to God himself.. Ten guys with freaking DOCTORATES in mathmatics.. they ALL had tenure, and not a single one.. expected the class to stand when their presence "graced" the room.. not a single one.. expected chairs strung and tables placed at precise mathmatical intervals.. not a single one.. required a lecturn, behind which was a glass of ice, and a bowl with mints, carefully broken into four pieces.. I wonder if the sowers stand for the little numbnuts..

actually.. I think the con was EASY. The kid did manage to graduate with a bachelors from a legitimate university.. likely he KNOWS how hard it is to actually EARN a degree.. I'm three credits away from a bachelor's in math, and I know how much work I had to put into it. Now.. if I'm going to really DO something with it.. like teach.. if I'm not content to tutor at some place like Sylvan or a local self-help education center, either I need a teaching degree, or I go into a master's program, and pray they'll let me be a professor's assistant.. my GRE score WILL open that door, I believe.. either way, it's going to be: HARD WORK. So the kid has a choice.. what will it be.. some hard work, or supposed success OVERNIGHT? After all.. he can use his business knowledge to run a cult bizz.. get all the worship and adulation due only to God Almighty himself.. and the "participants" will hear how unworthy they are, how only *he* sacrificed for all this.. coulda run a fortune 500 company instead.. Sadly, those who ARE older in that group either won't hear, or can't hear.. I think it's a matter of, they don't really know how to do anything DIFFERENT.