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then what will we do.. maybe the same thing we did last time. Argue, negotiate.. litigate among ourselves.. hate each other, love each other.. the only other possibility is to be absorbed into a singularity.. one decision offers a peaceful end. The other offers endless possibilities.

You know. One day there will be no internet. Its guaranteed. In fact, unless *we* have moved along in inhospitable space, there will be nothing here. Nothing left.. of us. Once the sun starts primarily burning helium, there will be no third planet left. Might take a few years.. no more Grand Religious Traditions again.. no physical reality in which to practice them..

Actually.. yes. Small Potatoes.. I think the mogster was a hitch-hiker (though would he not every LITERALLY do so at his own risk.. as in going lead..) on the declining wave of Western Civilization.. what is wrong with being small. If I could be Big. i.e. hit the 300 million dollar jackpot.. I'd pay off all the loans, obligations.. give away most of the rest and just live small somewhere.. solar technology is cool. It would be nice for me, my neighbors, the closer community to live unconnected to the grid.. grow tomatoes.. In older days. My old limb leader claimed he was trying to figure out how to buy an island somewhere.. heh. I guess it takes big potatoes to be small potatoes anymore.. That thought did cross my mind here.. The Secrecy was not in doctrine. The small potatos hick from Ohio laid those cards down, right up front.

Interesting things happen when one is freed from one's lifestyle.. or maybe. One is freed from one's karma.. it will eventually happen. Either now, consciously, or against one's will. I'm sorry if I sound so certain.. It's only an impression..

There is a very cunning bird in nature.. a dear friend, now deceased, observed them in his front yard in the country.. can't remember its name. Get anywhere near its nest, and it would imitate a broken wing.. ah. The Killdeer. Not sure about the spelling.. but it would go into Death Spasms, indicating to prey.. "come eat me.. I'm so damned helpless.." The Integrity of the (supposed) Word is Always at Stake.. always.

but I think he got his "critics" to indirectly market his product for him. I never challenged sowers on any doctrinal basis. It was more like.. "what about your PERSONAL accountability for the results of the program.." That is really where the dialogue stopped. The little itty bitty moron of gawd in charge believed this to be (by pappy and who know elses encouragement) to be persecution. In other words, free advertising. My question is still the same: where do you derive Authority, and do you claim any semblance of responsibility.. I don't care if you teach your followers that god is really Green Moon Cheese.. I'll set aside doctrinal issues and agree, for the moment. Everything I ever believed or hope to believe is just plain wrong, to begin with. No argument. What do you intend to really DO with your little moghood in your little corner of the world? What about the spiritual truths, i.e. facts. gramps was of awful temperament. The program was loaded with innumerable failures.. what are you doing that really any different here, in a practical sense? That's where the other end of the phone got hung up, and the "other side" claimed some kind of "victory".. weird, huh. The whole world descends upon Us.. We must be Right.. I could exhibit the same kind of Victim Mentality in many practical matters.. but I refrain from doing so..

then one would have to be able to define perfection.. or would one? Perfect sets are easier to define, mathematically. Every element of a perfect set is a limit point of the set.. at least I think. I wonder how much mathematical analysis grew out of theology.. at least some of the terms..

I don't think the old man was really that intelligent. Else he would have acquired the "phd" with more legitimate means. I think he was more "cunning". Not necessarily intelligent. I think he studied.. but not like you or I. How do you capture a man's soul with assertions that the moon is really made out of green cheese.. Cunning. Very.. political. If one can get one's opposition to argue your inane, irrelevant points, perhaps you have already won the game..

I am thinking of herr victor. How did he manage to bamboozle a crapload of followers.. I think it is mainly because his opposition allowed him the choice of weapons- and they weren't ethical, practical, sexual issues, but on doctrinal ones. No "personal attacks" no matter how factual, never REALLY came to light. Sure.. slap someone elses perception of god in the face.. and a vehement doctrinal disagreement will certainly ensue..

Maybe.. is it possible that this was yet another Machiavellian maneuver to keep the ranks fighting among themselves? Sow discontent and disagreement between the ranks, and the eyes are then off of the Boss.. Train one group to be anal-retentive micro-managers, the bible be damned.. and train the underlings not to trust those directly above them..

No. That is one of main reasons I quietly walked away from one group. They probably still don't know (or even care) why they haven't seen me for over ten years..

I think there were a few who came close. Generally.. a friend is one who understands another being that is friend.. Me? I dunno.. I sometimes have a hard time understanding the Cats here.

Thanks friend. Too bad we are too damned busy with other stuff most of the time..

Technically.. the empty set is both closed and open.. I don't know if that helps here..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tcge3FoRM4Y I'm still in love with nice old ladies..

Perhaps. But then again.. one partakes of the flower, the other consumes it..

I think God has allowed him to walk in the shadow of the valley of malignant evil..

Kronecker had his little Delta. Then passed off, quietly into obscurity.. Argo has to permit infinite passage. Always room for one more..

As far a history is concerned. Kronecker eventually died. And the Mathematical World embraced Cantor..

maybe we need to define existence.. when did you, presonally, exist? Maybe that is the big question.. before Abraham, after Abraham..

So why can't I develop a few real, genuine friendships without joining another damned cult.. or founding one.. or being an administrative assistant of one.. or enabling one.. or whatever. maybe it is because I am asking for far, far too much.

the problem with Kronecker's public railing against the Transfinite Numbers. They were not exactly numbers, to begin with They were more descriptions of the properties of subsets of numbers.. the first one is Aleph null. That one describes the set of Natural Numbers, or the counting numbers.. Its a frigging description. Not an exact quantity..

Some Religious Folk thought Cantor's work to be Blasphemy.. but it was the wrong era. They didn't exactly succeed in raising religous persecution and such. Cantor held the belief that God revealed to him the Transfinite Numbers. what are Transfinite numbers anyway.. anybody want to know? This was a development in the 1800's. I mean.. come on. Great great gramps can't be so smart that we can't understand him, can he? The actual mechanics behind the theory is really pretty easy to agree on.. if one can find a one to one correspondence between sets, no matter how different they might be.. one has then shown than one set is equivalent to the other.. if you want the english version, I will give it.

This is among some of the great secrets of the Universe.. Man, reluctantly raises his head above the mire of society, and sees, and maybe even understands the nature of the first infinity.. hey.. the Greeks didn't dare go there. Archimedes probably knew more, but wasn't inclined to say.. now we are talking technology long before the 1800's..