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It seems all I get are more questions. So Mc*&LL*n is organizing it.. So is the youngster's organization and idea, or Mc's? WHY is the youngster's name on it? just more questions.. I don't want to GUESS motive.. but I will if that's my only option.. but what do they care what I think anyway.. with the only information I have.. my own personal conclusion is the youngster's name is being taken advantage of. I'd really like to be proven wrong in this particular matter.

Slander isn't exactly the issue here. It's.. these yokels want to perpeptuate the same system that allowed loy, vic and others to pillage God's people.. in my opinion, as mistaken as it may, or may not be. That very well may not be their aim. They very well may have good intentions. But look where good intentions led us once before.. a "survival program" which sets a hierarchy in one or more organizations.. you tell me. I asked the questions, and I did NOT get the answers. Just a lot of religious run around..

I dunno. Probably be like trying to lobby for a bill against stupidity well.. stranger things have passed the vote.. There's a chili cookoff somewhere around here.. and among some claims are that some of the chilis are the hottest known to man. There's a stipulation however.. the originator of said chili must actually CONSUME a bowl of said chili. They want to "send forth leaders and(who are?) workers.." let's see the guy(s) who want to run the thing with that yoke on them.. for two, three, four more years.. go start a new work somewhere. See what it's REALLY like.. residency in a little summer "outreach" program won't fit the bill here.

Nope. He's far too occupied trying to get somebody else..

If one wants to "move the WORD" supposedly like the old man.. why doesn't one just go start a "twig" somewhere.. see how it really works. See IF it really works. Hold a job.. rent a house or apartment somewhere.. actually "witness" to those around you.. see if you've REALLY got the power you think.. I really don't think participating in a hold your hand second rate summer outreach program in a little known offspring somehow "gives you the power".. if one calls that "real life".. I don't have the proper words to describe my opinion. :) All of these little thoughts are just a warm up.. I haven't really even gotten started yet..

Plus someone in charge.. who is LARGELY unproved.. the kid MIGHT be qualified to run a weekend camp or something..

Hmm.. it would seem to me if they found a "certain" parent organization to sponsor it as some kind of "retreat" or activity, would not the parent organization assume the liability? And I think some insurance doesn't cover certain types of damages..

Yeah.. might be a good rehab program. If the said youngster doesn't know which end of the brush to hold.. or needs help figuring out what a day's labor is about.. but as a an "honors" program.. or "training" for the supposed elite? I know SOME good came out of the vey corps.. but I also observed several "good kids" that got turned into goons.. and sent forth by his goonship.. If it's an honors program of sorts.. why are they going back to what I perceive as BASICS? Learn how to work a job.. learn how to read the bible.. learn how to persevere in perhaps more austere circumstances.. it would seem to me, that these would be prerequistites to anything considered an "honors" curriculum. I still have a sour feeling in my stomach about this.. plus who's trained for what of those staffing the place.. If they think my questions are unreasonable.. I would suggest- try getting liability insurance for the thing, and see what kind of response you get. :)

Plus they don't have the financial wherwithall (at least that I know of) to simply bulldoze people who are "disgruntled".. or a big enough of an organization to cover it up to the point "it never happened".. or a team of lawyers to litigate the complaint into the next century.. Shouldn't bother them with these kind of "sense knowledge minded" details.. it's a walk by faith, brotha.. :)

I don't think the "outrage" is so much over 25 year old "sins".. I think it's over them being covered over, perpeptuated, duplicated over, and over, and over again.. to the present. People spoke up "way back then".. and the system just kept moving on after they were run off.

Way Corps II. The next, or should I say, the third generation.. I think most people here know who it is.. just didn't wanna name names on this thread, at least yet.

Why set up a system, or a "training program" where one has the possibility of having grovelling followers, and the power of summary judgment over other people's lives, if one does NOT have the intentions of actually allowing them to grovel, and kick their a** just "because"? No real checks and balances.. no REAL trained staff.. probably not any kinda trained medical personnel in case people get hurt in the middle of nowhere.. maybe they can just (make)believe.. and then convince people that this "priviledge" is God's will for their lives.. a year and a half, and they can be gawd's "elite"? If it was some kinda "rehab" or something.. to help get someone on their feet, physically fit, back into SCHOOL.. or on a path to a career- it would sound a heck of a lot more "humanitarian" or "godly" to me.. well, one thing I can smell- lawsuit. Even if you have a fifty page long hold harmless agreement, a court very well may rule that a REASONABLE (or sane) person would not sign it.. and award compensation anyway. How many acres do you say you have?

The worst part of it.. I think.. the REPEATED demands for TRUST after trust has been broken.. the complete denial.. that they wash their hands like anyone else in the civilized world..

I think these religious scam artists are WORSE than anything the world has to offer. I've been scammed out of money before.. and at the end of the day, it was only money.

PT Barnum was at least a little more honest about it.. he still made a fortune.

and lest we forget, vic was NOT a king. Saul was a king, Solomon was a king, David was a king. But vic, no. Maybe in his OWN mind perhaps.. he wasn't a judge either.. like Samson, Gideon.. *ahem* he wasn't a prophet either.. too many failed "conditional prophecies" and the like. so.. why compare him to what he was not? We have a whole new generation of this nonsense rearing it's ugly head.. and it can't honestly acknowledge what those who went before did, without whitewashing it and sanitizing it. Despite one sided edicts and perhaps their best efforts, they one day will get their evaluations as well.. in a place like this. I hope it's better than what the ancestor got..

Reminds me of a "stowry".. I think this is close to the way I heard it.. This old guy lived his life in pleasure, crushing his competition, chasing every young woman he saw, bought and burned down the local church and orphanage to make a parking lot.. so he dies. He arrives at the pearly gates, and st. peter says "we haven't had one like this.. hasn't done a SINGLE good thing for anybody.." His assistant says.. "naw.. we can let him in.. he gave a begger five dollars once in 1928.." Peter calls the cashier.. produces a five.. "here, you can have a refund."

"accomplishments..(?)" I think he sowed tares and weeds in his field.. that's his legacy. Every time he went into a Drambuie induced "spiritual" rage.. he sowed a handful.. every time he laid his greasy hands on one the ladies under his charge.. he sowed whole bucket fulls.. every single time he accepted credit for work that was not his own.. he was sowing even more seeds for misery and disgrace. every time he accepted bribes from the taskmasters who helped "rule" over the flock.. every little "fib", fabrication, or outright lie.. which SOMEBODY would eventually call him on. I really think he was "believing" for the kind of shame his name is now associated with. but he could put on a fair speech.

I dunno. Consider the "accomplishments".. the vicster didn't exactly have the wisdom of Solomon.. or the strength of Samson.. or the eloquence of Apollos.. he did end up having the morals of Solomon though.. perhaps worse. he WAS successful in building a house of cards that a moron in a tight jump suit managed to tear down in a few short years.. along with a few dedicated yes men..

I think.. after twenty five years.. one just may be looking for the same kind of connection with others one experienced, or thought they experienced at the beginning. I don't think it really had anything to do with "the word" as such. Nor do I think it was entirely an illusion. Maybe it was just taken advantage of..

Actually, I've "moved on". I've gotten involved in the community.. higher education, etc.. I think quite a few of us have. But there's one strange place in the world.. a language and vocabulary that practically no one else can understand.. why do I keep coming back.. sheesh.. I don't know.. I think this place sometimes warns those who may enter the "hallowed(?)" doors.. but I think it really is more than that. It's where the evaluations of old leadership gone by, and even perhaps for the "new" guard is being written. It's a luxury that many of us were not allowed in the old ministry. I never got a form to fill out when the bestest and latest corpses local coordinators would move on. Here, I can give them an HONEST evaluation. For me, I'm sure it's not entirely anonymous. What's even more interesting.. I can read the evaluations given by others. You'd think the old organization would give half a damn about something like this..

Sometimes I think the place is more about the party. I'd rather just have fun.. but I hope I can help someone else in the process..

Was he the same character as the reputed six foot wabbit? :)

which didn't exactly prove a "problem" for them.. they just kept up until they'd find the "right" kind of personality who would..

I'd just toss it out the side door here, but with the EPA watchdogs around here.. I wouldn't dare.. the local landfill won't take it either..