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I really think if things were "handled correctly" in da dumb ministry, there wouldn't be any NEED for lawsuits. Instead, they seemingly tried to bury the "corpses" while they were still ALIVE.. they defamed the victims, labelled them possessed and dangerous. Look what they did to Pa*l and F*rn. You dare to confront, you get the "mark". Even those who died while in the "hallow" walls of zion couldn't rest in peace without some kind of public inquisition, how "unbelief" or "sin" or some such nonsense supposedly killed them. vic taught them well. How to hide the victims, how to intimidate into silence, how to ignore legalities and how to make a "proper" cover story to feed the FLOCK. Don't want them running off or anything.. I think a damn big lawsuit was way overdue. That settlement must still sting. Not as "prevailing" as they would like to think they are.

I don't know.. the right kinda blood test might rule out midachlorians. Probably just a pack of Salmonella germs.. Oh, I found a Sith chicken for you. Doesn't have a light saber. Packs a pretty mean meat cleaver though. Observe the Sith fire in the eyes..

There is currently an ad on the bottom of the page for Mylanta, for gas pain..

Does anyone else remember this.. or was it just my imagination??

It's just.. a possessed chicken, "taken out" with the discharge of the farmer's shotgun.. if anything is gonna really "p*ss off" the chicken, that would have to be it.. I posted this on another thread.. don't know if I got an answer.. but didn't loy say something like this in one of the classes- "animals can get possessed too.. just take em out.. put them on the dinner plate.."? "hey neighbor.. I hadda take out one of the flock today.. want to come over for chicken dinner?" "oh.. you mean the bird that was going berserk in seven different directions only to perish in a cloud of shotgun smoke, feathers and blood?" "that's the one.. won't affect the taste or anything though.."

Interesting observation. Well.. both vic and loy claimed that "things" could be possessed.. not that I'm citing them as any kind of real authority in the matter or anything like that.. Some people's beliefs regarding food go to what others might consider extreme. Some feel that acts of violence or cruelty toward animals puts some kind of bad karma or something in it, that any pain experienced by the animal during it's demise makes it somehow unclean. Maybe it's true.. who knows..

The only thing I wish.. is that some of the *others* who know me would read some of this stuff.. they might not agree entirely.. but at least they might understand.. I'm sure somebody's keeping record here.. :)

Maybe that's the key to hearing the voice of the guy from the past. To know of some pretty vile crap that's coming.. yet not to do anything to intervene.. even if you know what's coming.. you are forbidden to become involved.. sheesh. I wish people wouldn't start threads like this..

I dunno.. I think that "we" are connected.. past and future.. there have been a few times.. I really think when it's REALLY mattered.. I've listened to the voice of the guy from the future :) It just takes something pretty.. what's the word.. serious.. for some clueless moron walking through life, to pay some real attention to..

:) I dunno.. If I didn't take some damn fool bible class in 1974.. If I didn't put up with a bunch of hooey.. If I didn't go wow in 77.. if I didn't end up with these two kids.. perhaps things would be different. It's just.. they are SO wonderful.. was it all worth it? would I consciously undo it all? No.. never. even if I knew what kinda crap was really going on the inner circle.. perhaps I'd scare the hell out of them.. with stuff that nobody else living knew.. but as far as my PERSONAL destiny is concerned.. I wouldn't touch it.. sound strange?

what would I write to myself.. well.. 1. Finish college you dumbass.. 2. You'd better show up in Michigan in 1977. Meet so and so and have the two wonderful kids you ended up with.. somehow. It's too hard. I'd have to somehow do all of the good things I ended up doing.. while avoiding the ...... I dunno. If it was just me.. I could think of dozens of better sceneraios.. but add people to the equation.. and it all doesn't really seem to make a lot of difference..

remember the rules though. Shoot first, THEN ask the poor guy if he's really a zombie..

just brining this to the top for the new folks around here. You'll want to know who and what you're dealing with ya know..

I still think that a group which would bury a work which called adultery sin under a blanket of drama and intrigue.. not a "research" organization. academically, one might call the paper juvenile, but it was at least honest.. it speaks to me, of the juvenile mindset the organization itself had with regard to honest research. If the work is original, yet faults the proclivities of the upper ups, we bury it.. If the work is good enough, and flashy enough to draw in more crowds, we steal it.. and they actually appointed loy boy as head of research.. I really think they were at the end of their rope.. he'd already chased off anybody with half a brain.

over half the time I was involved with der vey, I didn't even HAVE a car.. ah.. I remember being sent to pray for some poor old guy in a hospital.. and he died anyway.. branch leader was otherwise occupied. I think perhaps he didn't want "failure" on his hands as well.. I knew who I was almost a decade before I took the class. I've since returned to a lot of my roots. Of course, "da most holy of der vey" would describe that as a dog returning to his vomit.. I've spent the most part of a decade reclaiming what I lost or had merely given away.

are you sure that's not Alice? ate a coupla mushrooms.. followed a cult leader that resembled a wabbit down a hole..

I think cruse would have been as badly behaved if he were in twi.. generally speaking I think these "celebrity" types can pretty much do WHATEVER they want in one of these kinda organizations.. maybe they own him like he owns them. I wonder how many of his "mistakes" in life they know where are buried..

I can't see the justification for the price of a plane ticket from Scotland to the U.S. to come hear pfal or some other equally ridiculous "verd as it hath not been known since the first century" warmed over nonsense.. maybe that's not it at all. Maybe they come to "enjoy" his *wonderful* personality..

"I feel very hopeful and optimistic" and for the life of me, I can't find a single logical reason..

Well.. to me twi seems to have proven that it is indeed NOT a christian organization. they are not a church as such.. maybe on the coroporation and tax papers to maintain a tax free status. P*ul A**en did it right.. he confronted the then trustees. Their reaction? Well.. let's just mark and avoid him.. label him possessed.. worked before ya know. I think he found there was none among them wise enough to sit as some kind of biblical "judge" of sorts. No arbitrator, or even the possibility of any kind of arbitration, outside of legal action. At least he got loy defrocked.

and may I add.. it wasn't an accomplishment that could be attributed to an intellectual "giant" either.. It's kinda like.. duh.. anybody with a little common sense, and who just reads the BIBLE once or so has to get it.. the "smart guys" of da then ministry labelled it possessed.. research ministry? I really don't think so.

I don't know if der vey was ever a research ministry either. Perhaps there were people on staff one time who could actually DO research.. but look at Schoenheit's little paper on adultery. Perhaps it was about the most original work produced, and ethically and biblically as honest as anyone in der ministry at the time could produce. and what did they do with that little item?

I prefer the description of "pathetic".. ya know.. when the crapola REALLY hits the fan.. he'll be like.. maybe the Himmler and Goering types might sit with him in his bunker.. until they find something else better to do..

Only eight votes? OK.. one more chance for you wascals to cast your ballot here..

a few further thoughts on this. Only the "few".. the "faithful".. THOSE WHO FORKED OUT OVER TEN PERCENT of their incomes.. were those deemed "worthy" enough to do all this and more.. weird. maybe it's human nature. Put a big enough price tag on a broken down, decaying house, spray it with the right kind of personna, and "anybody who's anybody" just HAS to have it.. I mean.. who is going to buy the Brooklyn Bridge for $9.95? For most individuals, I really think the legalism started with the very first session of the class..