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Hey.. maybe you could try that on the rest of the numbnuts..

ah.. when did the legalism start.. perhaps from the time the old vicster incorporated pfal (alias for "Gifts of the Spirit") into twi-dom. "I AGREE to attend every session ON TIME to receive the benefits of this class.." I don't entirely object to the requirement. College classes are like that.. they don't really LIKE people meandering in fifteen minutes into class, needing a "catch up" with what one has already covered for everyone else.. but I think in the case of pfal, it was one of the little "stepping stones" along the way to some pretty harsh legalism.. sure.. show up on time. No big deal.. but then.. "well, gaw'd's time is five minutes early.." or ten, or fifteen.. then you're showing up an hour and a half or more early, to clean the leader's house, mow the lawn.. get the refreshments ready.. remove lipstick and teeth marks from used styrofoam cups.. check all the audio video stuff.. it's almost a "natural" progression on the road to "success(?)". all of this is based on one's ASSUMPTION, often based on the reports of many glassy eyed others who may have used to be your friends, that the class was actually WORTH the EFFORT of showing up on time.. "want results? you gotta GIVE something.." I think it was more along the lines of "give in somewhere".

hmm.. interesting. I think the vey channel would probably have a pretty close resemblence to the History Channel. Just the existence of the world would be dated as starting sometime late in 1942..

Thanks friend. I know.. still it's a paycheck to paycheck life. Not that I'm complaining.. it IS a life.. and like I said, I'm really happy here.. don't feel sorry for myself. Just could have done a little better.. but I'm working on that. :) I really consider those in der vey, especially on the board level, worse off than me. What kinda life is THAT? Don't have anything much better to do with their time than.. carefully guard their pile of cash.. but that's "tricky". You have to have guards, guards to guard the guards.. guards to guard the guards that guard the guards.. and there ARE a few rules.. they can't legally just dip into the funds any old way they see fit, at least LEGALLY. They are so bored that they don't have anything better than jealously guard their "precious" copyrights.. to outdated materials, almost fifty years old.. a product, which would interest only a VERY limited market. I've never seen anybody try to sell any bootleg copies of loy's class.. no Belezian group busy with the copiers.. IT WOULD NOT SELL. Even to those in the VERY limited market. But those at the top seem to be so bored.. they consider "surfing da web" as looking for SMALL, unwary, "lookalike" organizations to throw to the lawyers.. There is no monetary gain for doing so. Not that I can see, anyway. Maybe it's like the ancient days of Rome in decline.. throwing Christians to the lions (lawyers) just for some kind of "harmless" diversion..

of course forum rules forbid me from naming names.. other than high profile kinda folks, or trustees/directors.. but this particular person.. if he were to come forward.. I wouldn't give him a hard time. Probably could really fill in a few details.. see.. the character really did cause me some damage.. but I'm not vindictive. I've caused a little damage myself.. maybe not as much.. but I'm sure with the right kind of backing I very well may have done so.. the character might even be in your zip code..

but WD.. like your answer to me.. "don't worry about me.." see.. if it didn't REALLY happen to me.. In my little mind of minds, I honestly THINK it did.. see.. at the best.. they've produced an environment that convinces me that it indeed has. The counsel I saw a young lady receive from one who was supposedly in "authority".. under direct auspices of the vicster himself... "just get laid and get over it".. along with a half a dozen other folks who could hear the same counselling session.. oh.. through two solid oak doors.. perhaps it was an elaborate ruse, produced simply so I would mistakenly remember it as some kind of reality.. who in their RIGHT mind would simply tell some LADY to simply schmooze in the "right" way with some scumbag anyway..

which probably REALLY chafes the "royalty" of der vey. That's all they got.. no more of P*ul A**en publicly displaying them at their worst. I don't think they counted on a perhaps equally effective site to disseminate the news of the underbelly of twi.. ya know.. in the not so likely possibility that they bought this site, yet another with equally damning reports would rise from the "ashes".. It would be so much EASIER for them to ask a few folks what it would take to make things right.. not that I'm holding my breath. No, we're the "other" people. Doing what's "right" is only reserved for the few, the "special"..

It's not like a trying to accuse some the "royals" in the middle ages.. I think peasants were on the short end of the stick in those days. But really.. who do these jacka**es think they are? royalty? "gawd's best"? as long as their little pile of cash and the economy holds out I guess.. I wonder who would adopt them..

try it when you're fifty one years old.. doing doctors and medicine on a pretty strict budget.. the other half of the time practicing "do it yourself" health care..Again, don't think I'm feeling sorry for myself. It's just "reality".. others aren't anywhere near as well off as I am.. but I don't think the "vey royalty" have a clue.. maybe that's what I find "offensive".. the only REAL difference.. when they expire, they'll have a whole heck of a lot more vultures trying to divide the spoils.. No, it was BOUGHT. It was called a "settlement". I don't fault the A**ens for accepting the undisclosed settlement.. everybody has a price.. they wanted to get on with their lives as well as the rest of us..

I don't think they have a CLUE.. some of us put our lives on "hold".. no personal advancement.. etc.. to be "available" to go to twig, run classes.. clean "leader's" houses.. today it's a paycheck to paycheck life.. I really am within six weeks of being homeless at any one given time. I don't think they've done a very good job of identifying with the common "wayfer". I wonder if rosie ever ever in her life.. depended on the next paycheck to be able to pay rent.. or buy groceries.. or pay for the heat.. No, I'm not feeling "sowy" for myself. Don't read this wrong. But God forbid she would let her "friend" donna out in the street to fend for herself.. oh no. That's for the "other" people..

Hmm. Nice exchange.. the $17.22 in the bank because I lived a lifestyle advocated by "them".. for the just "criminal" injustice of it all.. telling my little VERIFIABLE "stowries".. I'd make it easy on them.. mail them the check..

see.. to use such a gift.. to cover "bad behavior".. even "disputed" criminal acts.. the only thing I can think is.. bad karma. go ahead.. yeah, their blood will cover it all..

I don't question the value of these "rights'.. I only question those , and their motives, who would merely unrightfully protect themselves under their banner.. . It's really unholy.. yeah.. but it's *your* "right".. It just taints the memory of those who died for this kind of freedom.. "never trust anyone over thirty.." I for one.. would not even think of taking advantage of the sacrifice of youth.. or clothe my unrighteousness with their loss..

what *I* didn't know about the situation.. see.. the vicster really *needed* some kind of.. tenure in his organization. Some kind of validation of his credentials.. his mission.. did his parent organization give it to him? Naw.. Hmm. Well.. let's just break off and make our own.. that's one thing that makes me even more suspicious about offshoots. Even a CORRUPT to the CORE organization they came from won't give them the time of day.. won't sell their books.. Ya know.. if it was any other endeavor.. say math, or physics.. or chemistry.. if you have SOMETHING right, the "rest of the world" seems to have little problem accepting it.. even if you're the "enemy"..

seems the legal wrangling simply tries to hold the WRONG people up to a "higher" standard. what about herr mogster? OK.. let's look at it.. maybe in a different light. Suppose you are "merely" a college professor, or a high school professor.. EVEN IN THE "SWINGING" SEVENTIES. not even the supposed manogawd to da world.. 1. You OWN, or rather, have in your possession beastiality porn video (and God only knows what else).. 2. You EXHIBIT this material to your "students" in some kind of work study program.. at least one is UNDERAGE. 3. You're looking for tenure.. 4. news of this gets out.. the question of the day. Do you get it? i.e., tenure? "aww.. it's ok vicster. no problem.. sure you didn't mean anything "twisted" by it or anything.." I say.. let's hold these bastards up to the "lower" standard. They wouldn't stand a chance.. The few undisputed facts in evidence.. convict this kind of swill.. even before we get started..

One time I prayed for a guy.. and he started jumping around like a spring chicken. Apparently, he'd been out drinking all night the night before.. he got real excited.. "hey, this guy just got rid of my hangover.." no kidding.. fast forward about ten years.. some guy was arguing the existence of God or something.. and it was raining like crazy.. I says "don't believe? how abouts we have the rain continue except for this little square block around us.." I breathed in..kinda relaxed in a funny sort of way.. and there was a rainbow.. no rain on us, but you could see it hitting the road the next block over.. the guy started stuttering something about "witchcraft".. heheh Who knows.. maybe it was.. a little side note.. it DIDN'T get ANYBODY in "gawd's ministry".. honestly.. as dedicated as I was at the time.. I just COULDN'T say "wanna do the same? come to twig.." Just couldn't do it.. it just wasn't there.. That's about all I've got as far as "results" are concerned.. and I honestly don't know if I can attribute them to "believing", or even just "dumb luck" or "chance"..

depends. Define "broke." we'll need some expert testimony from some scholar as to the meaning of "my" also. maybe you just THOUGHT it was "broke".. The answer is obvious though excie. If it's "broke", send it some money.

Here's my thread asking for something concrete: http://www.greasespotcafe.com/ipb/index.ph...&hl=results Oldies answer was typical of those who still kinda endose the product: Somehow, I think "having a positive attitude" is partly "genetic".. I was reading an old manuscript somewhere about it.. just can't find it at the moment.. actually.. it was some kind of report.. the scans showed some people just have "happy" brains. Don't know why.. but it was something that could actually be measured. The ability (or handicap) of just seeing positiive in everything was actually due to some kind of physical difference.. Other people, just have "unhappy" brains.. I think those were the ones preferred for "leadership" positions. No matter how much "renewing" of the mind, obedience and fawning from followers, they were just (ahem, "practically") NEVER happy. NEVER positive. Well, practically never.. quite a few I met, anyway.

I wonder if he hated sunlight and running water and crosses too.. Oh oh.. I forgot.. wooden stakes and villagers too.. especially villagers carrying big wooden stakes. and hammers, or wooden mallets..

Why I left.. voluntarily, didn't like what they taught, didn't like what they did.. and "other". I could have stayed if I grovelled sufficiently, to a uneducated madman. something like the vicsters description of slain in the spirit.. "cmon fellow, cooperate and fall down won't ya.." "You'd better tell us what's wrong with you.." something like.. "give us the names of all your spurts, and their resume's in triplicate.." Interesting.. the place only got much worse after I left.. I wonder if mr. bread and vegetables figured out I wasn't the organizations "problem"..

I bet der vey just LOVES the internet.. But the thought that they are going forward because there is a possibility that they will win.. applies to the other side as well. I'm sure they traded a few blows before it came to this..

So.. the moral of the story, or the song.. When in the presence of a possessed chicken.. don't be the guy who wears the hat..

For "some of us.." "new light" merely informs us not just how wrong we are.. but how wrong we might possibly ever be..

Is it possible.. we are all connected, one way or another.. Sometimes I hope.. "things" that are greater than me look on me with the same compassion..

I wouldn't even intimate such a thing.. Is that a live chicken in the pic?